The letter bombs are not an apples to apples comparison.
There has never been an integrated left wing fundraising/communications infrastructure dedicated to stoking the hatred of capitalists like there is a right-wing infrastructure dedicated to stoking the murderous hatred in the breasts of conservatives.
Remember the orchestrated outrage from the wingnuts when the Department of Homeland Security released a report about right-wing terror?
This was a typical example (from Americablog):
“When the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) made the outrageous claim – labeling pro-life supporters as ”extremists” in a report on domestic terrorism – we sprang into immediate action. We’re fighting back.
To brand pro-lifers as ”rightwing extremists” and ”domestic terrorists” is more than offensive … it’s incorrect as a matter of law and completely wrong as a matter of policy.”
Now, we’ve got militias in Delaware inviting the wingnuttiest of the wingnut politicians to address them.
But of course, they’re American Patriots. Or Delaware Patriots. While Bush’s Justice Department was infiltrating the Audubon Society or the American Society of Friends, the people with the guns were out-of-sight, out-of-mind.
Maybe, just maybe, now that they’ve set their gun-sights on American citizens, someone will get serious about these armed and dangerous whack jobs.
They’ve been targeting this doctor for decades. He was shot before.
You know why they love the little zygotes? The little zygotes can’t talk back to them like their own kids can — and do, as soon as they realize what defective humans bred them.
I’m shocked by the level of moral condemnation you folks are putting out here. Such hateful judgmentalism!
Based upon your PRO-CHOICE philosophy, shouldn’t you loathe the notion of imposing your moral values on Tiller’s killer every bit as much as you oppose anyone imposing their moral values on Tiller’s clients?
I was thinking about how pro-lifers like to use images of aborted babies – either word-pictures, or actual pictures – as a justification for their “opposition at any cost.”
Then it occurred to me – there are equally disturbing pictures of babies who were NOT aborted, who were born with gruesome birth defects and were born dead while the parents agonized, or died in agony themselves soon after birth. This was the work of God, not of man.
yes I looked at the pictures. I’ll spare you the links.
You know why they love the little zygotes? The little zygotes can’t talk back to them like their own kids can — and do, as soon as they realize what defective humans bred them.
I have just ordered a gallon of water for Steve Newton to use to wash down his foot. See, we were right. There are right wing extremists who are so pro-life that they will kill to make their point. They are terrorists and deserve to be treated as such.
No, it probably isn’t a joking matter — but neither is the slaughter of the innocents perpetrated by Tiller something to be celebrated as it so often is by pro-aborts like yourself.
But again, i find it interesting that you would impose that moral value on me.
Here is a statement from Randall Terry (Operation Rescue):
George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller’s killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name; murder. Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches.
Operation Rescue has a page called “Tiller Watch,” which is now down.
And if sometimes we label the entire right wing as a terrorist organization, it is because of comments like this from Free Republic:
What goes around comes around…
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.
This isn’t good, boys and girls … not good at all. This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist, every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze [sic] even more control over our society.
I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze [sic] power. Reichstag Fire, and all that…
No doubt this ‘man’ is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his ‘passing’ is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don’t know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.
Frankly, I don’t give a damn what they say. I suspect more people than would publicly admit it are glad Tiller is dead. I doubt there will be a lot of Doctors lining up to take over his practice.
Now, of course the entire right wing is not a terrorist organization. But comments like those above reveal a lot.
It’s not me that is pushing my morality on you. Murder is against the law, that’s enforced by the state. Tiller performed a legal procedure and was harassed, assaulted and murdered because of it.
But by what right does society impose those values? And if society were to impose the same values and sanctions regarding the protection of those very human beings who Tiller killed, upon what legitimate basis could you object since you have given voice to nothing more than the positivist view of the law?
Continue to live in your hypothetical world, RWR. However, here on Earth, where abortion is legal, and where there is no scientific, legal or religious consensus about when life really begins (our Constitution explicitly gives rights to those BORN, some religions say life begins at conception and some do not), the only murder that took place involving Dr. Tiller was his own by the very same terrorists who claim to be pro-life.
That is the hypocrisy that should concern you, RWR. Never in the history of the world has violent protest ever been successful at achieving the goals of the protestors. Nonviolent protest has. If only the Pro-life movement would stick to the morals they claim to represent, then maybe they would be successful.
People who use threats, intimidation and violence to intimidate large groups of people are terrorists.
No matter how much the anti-abortion folks try to deny it, abortion will never end because there will always be desperate women. Sometimes abortion is a medical necessity. Dr. Tiller was one of the few midwestern physicians who would perform late term abortions, despite years of threats and intimidation.
American Left Wing Krazies = Vandals
American Right Wing Krazies = Murderers
That about sums it up.
Question:
When was the last time an identified lefty murdered for social-political reasons?
Letterbombs sent to oil execs during the 80s?
Please.
The letter bombs are not an apples to apples comparison.
There has never been an integrated left wing fundraising/communications infrastructure dedicated to stoking the hatred of capitalists like there is a right-wing infrastructure dedicated to stoking the murderous hatred in the breasts of conservatives.
Remember the orchestrated outrage from the wingnuts when the Department of Homeland Security released a report about right-wing terror?
This was a typical example (from Americablog):
“When the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) made the outrageous claim – labeling pro-life supporters as ”extremists” in a report on domestic terrorism – we sprang into immediate action. We’re fighting back.
To brand pro-lifers as ”rightwing extremists” and ”domestic terrorists” is more than offensive … it’s incorrect as a matter of law and completely wrong as a matter of policy.”
Now, we’ve got militias in Delaware inviting the wingnuttiest of the wingnut politicians to address them.
But of course, they’re American Patriots. Or Delaware Patriots. While Bush’s Justice Department was infiltrating the Audubon Society or the American Society of Friends, the people with the guns were out-of-sight, out-of-mind.
Maybe, just maybe, now that they’ve set their gun-sights on American citizens, someone will get serious about these armed and dangerous whack jobs.
If this is not terrorism, there is no such thing as terrorism.
Wasn’t trying to compare, Jason.
Just trying to stem the false equivalency that we all know is about to be unleashed by the Davids and the like…..
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So keep on killin’ babies…..after all, you can’t let those terrorists win!!!!!
They’ve been targeting this doctor for decades. He was shot before.
You know why they love the little zygotes? The little zygotes can’t talk back to them like their own kids can — and do, as soon as they realize what defective humans bred them.
I’m shocked by the level of moral condemnation you folks are putting out here. Such hateful judgmentalism!
Based upon your PRO-CHOICE philosophy, shouldn’t you loathe the notion of imposing your moral values on Tiller’s killer every bit as much as you oppose anyone imposing their moral values on Tiller’s clients?
RWR: Thanks for proving you’re too stupid to be anything but conservative.
I was thinking about how pro-lifers like to use images of aborted babies – either word-pictures, or actual pictures – as a justification for their “opposition at any cost.”
Then it occurred to me – there are equally disturbing pictures of babies who were NOT aborted, who were born with gruesome birth defects and were born dead while the parents agonized, or died in agony themselves soon after birth. This was the work of God, not of man.
yes I looked at the pictures. I’ll spare you the links.
LOL! How idiotic is RWR’s argument!
Yeah, it’s hypocritical for pro-choice folks to condemn a murderer solely due to that was his choice to murder a doctor.
Your middle school called; they want their degree back.
What a horrible tragedy.
Talk about a lack of morals. Abortion produces OUTRAGE! Murder is just a choice. Disgusting.
I know I’m wading in a bit, but who is “you”?
People who are pro-life and would never commit murder or whackjob pro-lifers who kill in the name of life? Your lading statement lacks clarity.
The suspect is now in custody. Apparently, he was well-known to people of the church as a protestor.
Remember that stink the right put up about the domestic terrorism report?
Gee, the level of outrage is amusing.
You question my intellect while failing to discern what anyone ought to be able to see is satire.
Those who claim liberals are smarter than the average person has clearln not met you folks.
I haven’t been able to distinguish between straight-faced arguments and attempts at satire from social conservatives since 1994.
One must live in reality in order to use satire effectively, I think. 🙂
You know why they love the little zygotes? The little zygotes can’t talk back to them like their own kids can — and do, as soon as they realize what defective humans bred them.
So true.
I have just ordered a gallon of water for Steve Newton to use to wash down his foot. See, we were right. There are right wing extremists who are so pro-life that they will kill to make their point. They are terrorists and deserve to be treated as such.
Yeah, RWR, this is SUCH a joking matter.
No, it probably isn’t a joking matter — but neither is the slaughter of the innocents perpetrated by Tiller something to be celebrated as it so often is by pro-aborts like yourself.
But again, i find it interesting that you would impose that moral value on me.
Here is a statement from Randall Terry (Operation Rescue):
Operation Rescue has a page called “Tiller Watch,” which is now down.
And if sometimes we label the entire right wing as a terrorist organization, it is because of comments like this from Free Republic:
Now, of course the entire right wing is not a terrorist organization. But comments like those above reveal a lot.
It’s not me that is pushing my morality on you. Murder is against the law, that’s enforced by the state. Tiller performed a legal procedure and was harassed, assaulted and murdered because of it.
Yes, I read the FR comments were a real cesspool on this issue.
But by what right does society impose those values? And if society were to impose the same values and sanctions regarding the protection of those very human beings who Tiller killed, upon what legitimate basis could you object since you have given voice to nothing more than the positivist view of the law?
“Tiller performed a legal procedure and was harassed, assaulted and murdered because of it.”
SLAVERY was a legal procedure at one time.
Suck on that UI.
See? Now I can’t tell if he’s joking or not!
Forcing birth upon threat of punishment is the only argument I’m hearing from conservatives.
Continue to live in your hypothetical world, RWR. However, here on Earth, where abortion is legal, and where there is no scientific, legal or religious consensus about when life really begins (our Constitution explicitly gives rights to those BORN, some religions say life begins at conception and some do not), the only murder that took place involving Dr. Tiller was his own by the very same terrorists who claim to be pro-life.
That is the hypocrisy that should concern you, RWR. Never in the history of the world has violent protest ever been successful at achieving the goals of the protestors. Nonviolent protest has. If only the Pro-life movement would stick to the morals they claim to represent, then maybe they would be successful.
And what is the definition of success for these guys anyway? Is it making abortion illegal or eliminating abortion?
You’d have to be naive if you think a law will stop abortions.
People who use threats, intimidation and violence to intimidate large groups of people are terrorists.
No matter how much the anti-abortion folks try to deny it, abortion will never end because there will always be desperate women. Sometimes abortion is a medical necessity. Dr. Tiller was one of the few midwestern physicians who would perform late term abortions, despite years of threats and intimidation.
He was killed during a Church service. That tells you everything you need to know about the “pro-life” movement.