Today’s Question
typically my questions generate a myriad of answers. However, for today, I would like honest feedback. Please if you are a reader that typically reads and doesn’t comment add your two cents. It wont be any worse than what Grex or FSP usually add to the mix.
SOOOOOOO, here goes:
When Obama wins the nomination how is Bill Clinton going to lend a hand and stump for him as the would be choice for President? How will Hillary do it?
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Do you really think that all this “fighting” is really hurting them now and Helping McCain?
Tags: 2008 Presidential, Politics
“When Obama wins the nomination how is Bill Clinton going to lend a hand and stump for him as the would be choice for President? How will Hillary do it?”
I honestly think that Obama cannot count on any support other than half-hearted words. The Clintons will be sore losers, and that will be that.
“Do you really think that all this “fighting” is really hurting them now and Helping McCain?”
I think it is hurting Obama more than Hillary in the minds of the unwashed masses. People expect that behaior from the Clinton’s but the shallow voter will see Obama’s fighting back as a thin tarnish on his previous sparkle.
Hopefully, the DNC will just give them their gold watches and send them on a nice long trip to St. Tropez. Perhaps cart them out for a few speeches, starting in September.
I think if the fighting goes to the convention, it will hurt them and therefore, help McCain. However, if they can wrap this up in the next month or so, that’s plenty of time for the wounds to heal.
Then they can focus on pummeling McJowls.
The great liver spotted, elderly, cabbage patch doll whose personality is more plastic and less articulate than his 1980’s predecessor.
I think the question presupposes an incorrect assumption that the Clintons are somehow part of something larger than the Clintons.
To the Clintons, and especially Hillary, there is nothing else but Clinton. When she is in a room, she is the only person of significance in a room. When a decision is made, the basis for her decision is Hillary and nothing but Hillary.
If she played pro basketball, she would shoot every time she got the ball. She would take full credit for shots made, and blame the team or the coach or the opposition or the fans on either side for misses.
Its all about Hillary; nothing but. Other peoples futures, such as Obama, receive no consideration whatsover.
So are you saying that Hillary Clinton and Allen Iverson couldn’t be on the same team?
Seeing how McCain’s gonna win this thing regardless of the Dem. nominee, I don’t see why any of this matters. Hillary and Barack could stop the fighting right now and make-out on the 50 yard line of the Super Bowl and it wouldn’t mean shit. McCain is the only Republican who I said couldn’t be beat this year because so many millions of Americans are quick to buy into his bullshit. The sheeple will vote for him. In droves.
Actually, that’s exactly it. What scares me about Hillary in the White House is that all decisions affecting our nation will be calculated on what is best for Hillary; the rest of us just don’t matter. I think this behavior is called sociopathic.
on the streets dis, me and brothers call them ball hogs
Bill is a politician; he’ll do what he can for Obama. HRC might be the VP, so that would put most of this “I’m not voting for Obama if Hillary doesn’t win” childlike BS….
There are two things, for Obama, I see as a positive coming out of the HRC mudslinging:
1) Hardening Obama’s political skills against the GOP slime machine.
2) All the Bullshit coming out of the HRC campaign now will be old news and have little impact when McSame and his surrogates try to raise the same issues in the fall.
Of course the current state is helping McCain, but only a little bit. Almost all national polls show Obama (and HRC too) leading McCain in the General. And with McCain getting a free ride this summer (unless a bombshell drops), I do believe the scrutiny he’ll receive in the fall will be unlike anything he’s experienced since the Keating 5 scandal.
“So are you saying that Hillary Clinton and Allen Iverson couldn’t be on the same team?”
Laughed my freakin’ ass off!
(sidebar to Jason – loved your comment on Mascitti’s show about the Olympics going to shit for letting the pros play basketball. Same goes for hockey – remember, it was amateurs that beat the Soviets in Lake Placid.)
I think the flap over Richarson’s “Judas” endorsement of Obama is a perfect example of the Clintonista mindset. I wouldn’t expect any of that crowd to cross over post-nomination, except maybe Wes Clark.
VC,
1) totally agree
2) totally agree
Contrary to Mike M my 2 cents:
McCain isn’t getting a free pass here, he is just the Media’s next in line. The longer we stay off McCain and beat up our own the better. Bush and McCain will be tied together over the summer and Fall by this Media. he is going to be picked apart soon enough…
Agree with all VC’s points except for HRC’s chances of VP. Ain’t gonna’ happen.
I’d say a 20% chance of HRC being the VP choice….I’m thinking Richardson, as I said in the past.
The Clintons need to shut up and start raising money for Obama. Clean money that is, nothing that can come back to bite Obama.
If Obama wins the nomination, despite the Clinton megalomania, I believe they will put on the good Party front and stump for him, directing the talk not on negative things they have said about Obama in the past, but rather keeping the focus on McCain. They will have to “talk away” some of their past statements, but they are masters of that….they’ve talked away a lot worse.
I agree with Von Cracker that Richardson is a good chance for VP. I can’t see Hillary playing second fiddle.
I really don’t think the bickering is helping McCain much at all. He is barely in their sights yet, and is only marginally in the mind of the public. Once the Democratic nominee is decided, the games will really begin. A lot can happen, that’s for sure.
vC is ‘zactly right that the one favor Hillary is doing for Obama is making most of these attacks “old news” for the general election.
And I agree that Bubba and the She-Clinton are now a phenomena rather than part of the actual Democratic Party organization any more.
That said, I do think they attract a certain percentage of voters who are “Hillary or Nobody” voters, and who are going to stay home in November. The question is how large a percentage that is.
Also agree with Mike that McCain–contrary to the generally accepted view here–is going to have to be beaten; barring an irrevocable October gaffe by either candidate, this one is going to be damn near as close as the last two elections have been.
The discrediting of the Bush administration does not change the fact that there is an extremely deep gulf between two substantial portions of the American electorate. The question is, will more “Hillary or nobody” or more “McCain’s not a real conservative” voters stay home and thereby decide the election by not deciding?
“think the flap over Richarson’s “Judas” endorsement of Obama is a perfect example of the Clintonista mindset”
Richardson: “Hey Hill, I’m going to give you my SD vote! Great, huh?”
HRC: “Sorry Bill, too late. Doesn’t mean much now, and noboby really cares about your opinion and your small state.”
Did you read David Brooks yesterday?
I think the biggest problem is that BHO supporters (like me) start to dislike HRO and vice versa. If HRO gets the nomination (although not likely) I’ll need to suck it up and pull the lever for Clinton.
A year ago I would have been proud to vote for the first female president. Now I’ll have to close my eyes and hold my breath.
I don’t think the Hillary or I don’t vote thing pans out. They will have 4 months to simmer down, wake up and see that mccain=Bush, they suck it up and vote for Obama, the same can be said for Obama or No vote
3 or 4 months is a long time
Two things the Democrats have going for them:
1) 100 years
2) McCain on the mortgage crisis: No action needed.
In terms of “stated” policy there really isn’t much difference between the two. I will grant that there is a big difference in leadership style but most voters aren’t tuned in to that the way people here are.
Meanwhile, the economy is not going to get any better between now and November and people will really be pissed off by $4.00/gal gasoline. There’s a wedge issue that will play like a symphony in the heartland.
The media will start reporting on the Twenty-First Century “Hoovervilles” that will start to spring up this summer if they haven’t already.
BushCo will try to pull some stunt in the Middle East to preserve their role in history and it will back fire, just like everything else they have done.
And heaven help which ever of our candidates gets the nomination because they will be walking into the biggest mess the country has seen since 1930. Whoever it is, they will need plenty of support for some pretty extreme programs. The Republicans are in for some severe whiplash before this is over.
McCain is toast. The House majority will be awesome and we’ll take enough seats in the Senate so we can tell Lieberman to go caucus with his friends across the aisle. I predict.
McCain is toast, Rebecca? In what alternate universe are you residing because I’d like to join you!
Third thing tht Dems have going for them: McCain’s 80+ score at the ACU. That piece of data won’t make a compelling commerical, but will be a gold mine of info to show McCain as the mostly toe-the-line conservative he is.
I wouldn’t say that McCain is toast yet, but I do think that he is quite vulnerable on those things that people associate with him — independence and moderation.
I must say that I am finding Matthews devoted belief in a McCain inevitability to be supremely humorous and illogical.
I am assuming that the DEMs gains from 2006 are going to magnify in 2008 and manifest the congressional strength needed to finish off the GOPerhead MADNESS for at least a generation.
We ain’t that stupid, Mike.