There was a poll, about a month ago, which found that about 30% of Hillary Clinton’s supporters would vote for John McCain over Barack Hussein Obama if Senator Obama wins the nomination.
1- Mrs Clinton is perceived as being more moderate than Mr Obama, and a lot of Bill Clinton’s triangulated support came from moderates. As so many of my friends on the left combitch about the DLC-types, they seem to have forgotten that the middle is where majorities are made.
2 – Mrs Clinton can’t come out and say it directly, because the party would have to disown her, but her argument that Mr Obama can’t beat John McCain is based on one unchangeable fact: Mr Obama is black.
Ed Rendell tried to put it out there directly, and so did Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferrarro, and they all got hammered for it, but the reason 30% of Mrs Clinton’s supporters would prefer John McCain to Barack Hussein Obama is that Mr McCain is white, and Mr Obama is not.
You don’t think so? You live in Delaware, the most segragated place I’ve ever seen — and I grew up in the South. Take a drive out of downtown Wilmington, out of the city onto Route 41 and into Hockessin, where all of those white people with money are paying big bucks to keep their kids out of the public schools, and away from all of the Negroes.
The fact you don’t want to hear: if Mr Obama is the nominee, John McCain will carry every 2004 red state — which is enough for the win — plus New Hampshire, plus Maine, and will be strongly competitive in New Jersey and, yup, you guessed it, Delaware.
That’s why Corpus Christi is packed to the rafters, with over thirty students per class, and more trying to get in. That’s why Padua Academy charges $9,000 a year and has a waiting list.
NY Times Thursday blows a hole in the Clintons’ electability fantasy.
Exit polling and independent political analysts offer evidence that Mr. Obama could do just as well as Mrs. Clinton among blocs of voters with whom he now runs behind. Obama advisers say he also appears well-positioned to win swing states and believe he would have a strong shot at winning traditional Republican states like Virginia.
According to surveys of Pennsylvania voters leaving the polls on Tuesday, Mr. Obama would draw majorities of support from lower-income voters and less-educated ones — just as Mrs. Clinton would against Mr. McCain, even though those voters have favored her over Mr. Obama in the primaries.
And national polls suggest Mr. Obama would also do slightly better among groups that have gravitated to Republican in the past, like men, the more affluent and independents, while she would do slightly better among women.
DG…it’s interesting that you should mention Corpus Christii and Padua (I know all the Independent school’s) names.).
I have long thought the R.C. church has turned its back on minnorities instead of finding the education of poor/minority children a challenge and part of its ‘calling’.
Same can be said about the ‘Christian Academy’ etc……it’s all about racism. There is not out reach for those who continue to fall behind and need support in order to advance.
Even the Quakers started their school at 4th & West for undeserved students….now it’s in Alapocas and out of budget for most of us.
It just like the so called ‘old days’…the government is secure in knowing it does not have to address the disparities and the church (the moral leaders) are in collusion with one another.
DG…it’s interesting that you should mention Corpus Christii and Padua (I know all the Independent school’s names.).
I have long thought the R.C. church has turned its back on poor/minnorities instead of finding the education of poor/minority children a challenge and/or part of its ‘calling’.
Same can be said about the ‘Christian Academy’ etc……to me it’s all about racism. There is no out reach for those who continue to fall behind (generation after generation) and need support in order to advance.
The Quakers started their school at 4th & West for undeserved students….now it’s in Alapocas and out of budget for most of us.
It just like the so called ‘old days’…the government is secure in knowing it does not have to address the disparities and the ‘church’ (the moral leaders) are in collusion with one another and maybe the government.
‘No child left behind’……another well thought out attack on poor/minority kids.
For the record, the Dana above is NOT Dana Garrett, as Little Birdie inferred. It is Dana Pico, from the ill-named Common Sense Political Thought. Garrett doesn’t hold views anywhere near those expressed by Dana Pico.
Those polls you cite mainly gauge commitment to a candidate and are one piece of data in many pieces of data gathered across some period of time (wtf am I doing? You shall know their republicanism by their serious innumeracy). In 2004 there were plenty of polls showing that Deaniacs and Edwards voters would not vote for Kerry. And then they all did.
NY Times Thursday blows a hole in the Clintons’ electability fantasy.
But he didn’t link his story. That very same New York Times had a rather long article on just what I’ve been saying all along, that Mr Obama is having problems capturing the white vote.
Look on the bright side. Republicans desperately want to run against Clinton – hell, some even voted for her in the primary.
Yeah, that’s the theory behins the so-called “Operation KAOS,” but it’s not one to which I subscribe. The theory is that Mrs Clinton’s negatives are so high that she’ll turn off some independents and bring Republicans out to the polls. Well, maybe. As for me, I believe that Hillary Clinton would be harder to beat than Barack Hussein Obama, and I therefore voted for Mr Obama on Tuesday.
There is really no way to ascertain who would be easier for Mr McCain to defeat; that much is all opinion, and my opinion differs from a lot of people on that. And apparently some Republicans agree with me; according to The New York Times, self-described independents and Republicans who voted in Pennsylvania’s Democratic primary went 53% to 46% for Mr Obama.
Little Birdie: My daughters went to Corpus Christi when we lived in Hockessin, and my older daughter would have started Padua in 2002, if we hadn’t moved away. I investigated all of the school choices when we moved to Delaware in 2000.
Corpus Christi was about $7,000 for both of my daughters; Padua would have been about $7,000 in 2002, had my older daughter started there. The independent Catholic schools (Ursuline, Archmere and Salasianum were something like $12,000 — and they had waiting lists!
Of course, the good citizens of New Castle County pretty much destroyed the pubic school system when desegregation was ordered, so anyone who can even remotely afford to send their kids to the private schools does so — and Delaware (at least in 2002) led the nation in private school attendance. I’m guessing that wasn’t led by Sussex County!
Dana said: “Mrs Clinton can’t come out and say it directly, because the party would have to disown her, but her argument that Mr Obama can’t beat John McCain is based on one unchangeable fact: Mr Obama is black.
Ed Rendell tried to put it out there directly, and so did Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferrarro, and they all got hammered for it, but the reason 30% of Mrs Clinton’s supporters would prefer John McCain to Barack Hussein Obama is that Mr McCain is white, and Mr Obama is not.”
So… I guess this means you agree that affirmative action is necessary.
I am so not clicking on that. Ann Coulter is a Fright.
Good call.
Now if James Carville goes off in a huff to campaign for McCain, well, I don’t think I can bring myself to feel bad about that.
Drat! I clicked and now I’m going to have nightmares tonight.
There was a poll, about a month ago, which found that about 30% of Hillary Clinton’s supporters would vote for John McCain over Barack Hussein Obama if Senator Obama wins the nomination.
That poll is bullshit. I hope you know that.
Yeah Dana, and when John McCain got the nomination Rush, Ann and co were so thrilled! They fell right in line without saying a word… right?
Actually, I know quite a few repubs who plan on sitting this election out.
No, Jason, it wasn’t. It’s right on two levels:
1- Mrs Clinton is perceived as being more moderate than Mr Obama, and a lot of Bill Clinton’s triangulated support came from moderates. As so many of my friends on the left combitch about the DLC-types, they seem to have forgotten that the middle is where majorities are made.
2 – Mrs Clinton can’t come out and say it directly, because the party would have to disown her, but her argument that Mr Obama can’t beat John McCain is based on one unchangeable fact: Mr Obama is black.
Ed Rendell tried to put it out there directly, and so did Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferrarro, and they all got hammered for it, but the reason 30% of Mrs Clinton’s supporters would prefer John McCain to Barack Hussein Obama is that Mr McCain is white, and Mr Obama is not.
You don’t think so? You live in Delaware, the most segragated place I’ve ever seen — and I grew up in the South. Take a drive out of downtown Wilmington, out of the city onto Route 41 and into Hockessin, where all of those white people with money are paying big bucks to keep their kids out of the public schools, and away from all of the Negroes.
The fact you don’t want to hear: if Mr Obama is the nominee, John McCain will carry every 2004 red state — which is enough for the win — plus New Hampshire, plus Maine, and will be strongly competitive in New Jersey and, yup, you guessed it, Delaware.
That’s why Corpus Christi is packed to the rafters, with over thirty students per class, and more trying to get in. That’s why Padua Academy charges $9,000 a year and has a waiting list.
I am so sick of these Republicans trying to pick the Demcoratic nominee in order to save the Democratic party that I could just puke.
Dana –
I know, 2 + 2 = 5 Up is down. Day is night.
I get it.
I get what you are up to. You can stop now.
Just for good measure…
NY Times Thursday blows a hole in the Clintons’ electability fantasy.
Exit polling and independent political analysts offer evidence that Mr. Obama could do just as well as Mrs. Clinton among blocs of voters with whom he now runs behind. Obama advisers say he also appears well-positioned to win swing states and believe he would have a strong shot at winning traditional Republican states like Virginia.
According to surveys of Pennsylvania voters leaving the polls on Tuesday, Mr. Obama would draw majorities of support from lower-income voters and less-educated ones — just as Mrs. Clinton would against Mr. McCain, even though those voters have favored her over Mr. Obama in the primaries.
And national polls suggest Mr. Obama would also do slightly better among groups that have gravitated to Republican in the past, like men, the more affluent and independents, while she would do slightly better among women.
Jason,
Look on the bright side. Republicans desperately want to run against Clinton – hell, some even voted for her in the primary.
We all know exit polls – or any poll during a embattled primary – pull on our loyalty to one particular candidate.
The real problem for republicans is that they have nothing positive to say about McCain.
I am so not clicking on that. Ann Coulter is a Fright.
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AGREED
I get what you are up to. You can stop now.
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Dana and Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan, Andrea Mitchell ad nauseum.
DG…it’s interesting that you should mention Corpus Christii and Padua (I know all the Independent school’s) names.).
I have long thought the R.C. church has turned its back on minnorities instead of finding the education of poor/minority children a challenge and part of its ‘calling’.
Same can be said about the ‘Christian Academy’ etc……it’s all about racism. There is not out reach for those who continue to fall behind and need support in order to advance.
Even the Quakers started their school at 4th & West for undeserved students….now it’s in Alapocas and out of budget for most of us.
It just like the so called ‘old days’…the government is secure in knowing it does not have to address the disparities and the church (the moral leaders) are in collusion with one another.
DG…it’s interesting that you should mention Corpus Christii and Padua (I know all the Independent school’s names.).
I have long thought the R.C. church has turned its back on poor/minnorities instead of finding the education of poor/minority children a challenge and/or part of its ‘calling’.
Same can be said about the ‘Christian Academy’ etc……to me it’s all about racism. There is no out reach for those who continue to fall behind (generation after generation) and need support in order to advance.
The Quakers started their school at 4th & West for undeserved students….now it’s in Alapocas and out of budget for most of us.
It just like the so called ‘old days’…the government is secure in knowing it does not have to address the disparities and the ‘church’ (the moral leaders) are in collusion with one another and maybe the government.
‘No child left behind’……another well thought out attack on poor/minority kids.
Meanwhile, catholic schools in the city, and surrounding areas, that served the neediest of children have closed (Christ Our King, St. Hedwigs, etc.)
Hmm… What would Jesus do? Or, better yet, where would Jesus teach?
For the record, the Dana above is NOT Dana Garrett, as Little Birdie inferred. It is Dana Pico, from the ill-named Common Sense Political Thought. Garrett doesn’t hold views anywhere near those expressed by Dana Pico.
Repubs like Dana Pico need to focus on weaknesses (real and imagined) of the Dem candidates because his is the incredible shrinking party.
Those polls you cite mainly gauge commitment to a candidate and are one piece of data in many pieces of data gathered across some period of time (wtf am I doing? You shall know their republicanism by their serious innumeracy). In 2004 there were plenty of polls showing that Deaniacs and Edwards voters would not vote for Kerry. And then they all did.
Love it, Cass! Game, set, match!
Geez. All this time I thought it was Dana Garrett. Should have known better.
[guffaws] Jason wrote:
But he didn’t link his story. That very same New York Times had a rather long article on just what I’ve been saying all along, that Mr Obama is having problems capturing the white vote.
Apparently Jason missed that one.
Pandora wrote:
Yeah, that’s the theory behins the so-called “Operation KAOS,” but it’s not one to which I subscribe. The theory is that Mrs Clinton’s negatives are so high that she’ll turn off some independents and bring Republicans out to the polls. Well, maybe. As for me, I believe that Hillary Clinton would be harder to beat than Barack Hussein Obama, and I therefore voted for Mr Obama on Tuesday.
There is really no way to ascertain who would be easier for Mr McCain to defeat; that much is all opinion, and my opinion differs from a lot of people on that. And apparently some Republicans agree with me; according to The New York Times, self-described independents and Republicans who voted in Pennsylvania’s Democratic primary went 53% to 46% for Mr Obama.
Little Birdie: My daughters went to Corpus Christi when we lived in Hockessin, and my older daughter would have started Padua in 2002, if we hadn’t moved away. I investigated all of the school choices when we moved to Delaware in 2000.
Corpus Christi was about $7,000 for both of my daughters; Padua would have been about $7,000 in 2002, had my older daughter started there. The independent Catholic schools (Ursuline, Archmere and Salasianum were something like $12,000 — and they had waiting lists!
Of course, the good citizens of New Castle County pretty much destroyed the pubic school system when desegregation was ordered, so anyone who can even remotely afford to send their kids to the private schools does so — and Delaware (at least in 2002) led the nation in private school attendance. I’m guessing that wasn’t led by Sussex County!
Dana, go cry in your beer.
You are tiresome.
Dana said: “Mrs Clinton can’t come out and say it directly, because the party would have to disown her, but her argument that Mr Obama can’t beat John McCain is based on one unchangeable fact: Mr Obama is black.
Ed Rendell tried to put it out there directly, and so did Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferrarro, and they all got hammered for it, but the reason 30% of Mrs Clinton’s supporters would prefer John McCain to Barack Hussein Obama is that Mr McCain is white, and Mr Obama is not.”
So… I guess this means you agree that affirmative action is necessary.