Donviti’s aka DHB, “have you stopped to think about…”
so all you f’ing idiots that want to drill for oil in the United States, Have you stopped to think about how the frig we are going to refine the oil? Refinery’s in the US are at 95% capacity right now. NO ONE IS BUILDING NEW ONES….
So, whose backyard get’s the new refinery?
Freaking idiots…
The U.S. might not even get to refine it at all and have it shipped out to some foreign country.
Enough of that long-term thinking! How un-American of you!
just put some new refineries in Jersey, they’ll blend right in. No one will notice.
We don’t have to refine the oil we drill. Oil supply is fungible… which means that even if we drill it here and ship it overseas, we are increasing the overall supply and therefore decreasing the price of all oil.
That is the theory anyway. Reality is that oil price has broken loose from traditional supply/demand economics. Even now there seems to be plenty of oil, and increasing supply will not necessarily bring down price.
And of course the oil price hawks never want to factor in the environmental costs.
Just wondering…if we were drilling our own oil, wouldn’t that replace the foreign oil that our refineries are currently using? Isn’t that kind of the point?
Also, why is it ok for Texans to have oil fields off their coasts, but not Floridians?
Maybe I’m oversimplifying or missing something, but it seems like if we really want energy independence, we have to look at several different options including and maybe – and I know I’m going out on a limb here – consider compromising a little bit. If we’re really serious about it, we shouldn’t we be looking at everything – including domestic drilling and nuclear power. Maybe we can learn something from other countries who have done it. What am I missing?
Anon – A significant reason for the increased cost of a barrel of oil can be attributed to market speculation. That said, the US just saying we’ve decided to drill domestically would likely result in an immediate drop in the price of oil.
A significant reason for the increased cost of a barrel of oil can be attributed to market speculation.
That kind of speculation is perfectly rational and legitimate. The only thing wrong with the speculation is that the margin requirements should be increased.
Futures markets are looking farther into the future than ever before. They are bidding up the price based on the probability that oil will be in short supply in the future, even if supply seems fine at the moment.
The speculators are reacting rationally to the unpredictability caused by US foreign policy, as well as to the lack of an organized program to develop alternative energy or conservation.
dom? are you a republican shill?
There wouldn’t be much of a drop in the price of oil, and if we were to start drilling OPEC will ratchet back its production to maintain whatever price they want. And we do not have enough oil anyplace to offset that. And that oil (if you start drilling today, if you could get the drilling ships and apparatus today) hits the market in 8-12 years, which does nothing for today’s price.
You can reduce the price of oil by stopping the Iraq War, which adds something like 20-30 dollars per barrel to the current cost of oil.
“Also, why is it ok for Texans to have oil fields off their coasts, but not Floridians?”
It’s because Florida depends so much on tourism, and they’re worried that a major spill would wreck the beaches and ruin an entire season, effectively crippling the state’s economy. Of course, if nobody can afford to drive or fly to Florida, it becomes a moot point.
As for the environmental costs, you never hear anyone expressing concern for the environments of Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, or Venezuela.
You do hear about environmental concerns especially for the Nigerian drilling operation. But you are contending that because 2nd and 3rd World countries don’t work too hard at protecting their environments that Americans shouldn’t care either?
Exactly the opposite, Cass. We should drill and refine here, where we actually have environmental regulations to enforce. Instead, we’re exporting environmental hazard to the 3rd world and the Middle East. Oh, and remember, the Exxon Valdez was carrying imported oil, not Alaskan.
OK, why is it awful to have oil fields in the United States, where we white people have to look at it, but perfectly fine to have them elsewhere, where only brown people have to see them?
Let’s face facts, people: we have to have oil. We can pay Americans for it, or we can pay foreigners for it. Now, would you rather have your hard-earned dollars circulating through the American economy, or enriching foreign companies and countries?
Might we need more refineries? Maybe. If that’s the case, then build them! That would mean more good jobs for Americans, in building and then operating the refineries.
“NO ONE IS BUILDING NEW ONES….”
Do you know why no one is building new ones, donVD?
“dom? are you a republican shill?”
Dom raises fair questions and receives a typical donVD response. When he cannot answer reasonable questions he resorts to the old playbook.
donVD, why don’t you at least attempt to answer Dom’s questions? Or, are you going to resort back to the playbook? “Yawn.”
The environmental hazards is crapola form folks who don’t much give a damn about this anyway — Americans who live in states where they have beaches and water assets to protect get a say in that. I imagine that when the Saudis get representative government their people will demand better environmental performance from their government too. They are certainly getting enough money to do whatever environmental mitigations they need. And make no mistake, those who are arguing that we can better enforce environmental regulations here are going to be first in line to argue that environmental compliance will cost the energy companies too much to enforce.
And all of you arguing for new refineries? Please write down your home addresses so we can tell Exxon of the neighborhoods that want them.
Cassandra wrote:
Jim Thorpe, in Carbon County, Pennsylvania.
Carbon County is a poor county, with higher unemployment and lower wages than average. A few hundred good jobs building and operating a refinery would increase the wealth of people living here.
How about Owsley County, Kentucky, one of the poorest counties in America? You think that they’d turn away a refinery, and the high-paying jobs it would bring, so they can keep looking at each other’s tar-paper shacks without having an unsightly refinery spoiling the view?
It’s real easy for people who already have what they see as good, secure jobs to trash ideas that would provide good jobs for other people.
It’s real easy for people who already have what they see as good, secure jobs to trash ideas that would provide good jobs for other people.
from the guy who switched parties to vote for hillary b/c a radio host told him too
So you would be a liberal then right? B/C a statement like that is pretty funny coming from a person that supports Bush and does the things you do for the sake of the party
I like these responses.
Hey listen, no matter how bad the job is, what the health risks, the environmental risks and the moral implications, we know that if you are poor you’d want this refinery in your backyard…
Vote GOP…wooohoooo
PS: and we would never take advantage of you (wink, wink)
Who owns the existing refineries? It is my understanding that Saudis own that Delaware City mess…..thank you Gov. Peterson for the Delaware Coastal Zone Act.
It’s real easy for people who already have what they see as good, secure jobs to trash ideas that would provide good jobs for other people.
Are the people in these areas petitioning Exxon to put a refinery in their area? Oil companies will have some criteria for new refineries and ease and low cost of getting crude there is going to be high on the list. Most of the places where oil companies want these refineries are coastal — but the biggest reason why there are no new refineries is more about the availability of a taxpayer subsidy to build one. For your Carbon Co residents, they’ll need to see Ed Rendell for that.
The whole thing is a hoax on the american people. Google: Lindsey Williams. Frieda turned me on to him last week, and since I have researched what he is saying. We have been enronized…John McCain and his faithful lobbyist Phil Gramm and his “enron board wife” demanded that the Enron Loophole be left open. This whole thing was a plan from Big Oil, and Henry the evil Kissinger, over 30 years ago. They are the “middlemen” in NY and London, who actually set the price of oil. NOT Opec!
Only Iraq and Iran refused to sign the “middleman agreement”, which is why they have been targeted by the “american government” who work in collusion with the oil barrons”, (Bush/Cheney et al)…
Saddam Hussein “nationalized Iraqi oil”, in the early 60’s and in the 90’s threatened to go to euros, instead of selling oil in dollars”, he was attacked by Daddy Bush under a pretext of Kuwait.
Now the Iranians are threatening to to do the same thing, and they are threatened by Bush and the Zionists.
There is plenty of oil (as the Sauds are saying). This is nothing but a republican attempt to persuade the dumbed down sheeple, to believe we are in a crisis…and get the stupid people to vote to “drill now, and everywhere”. Its a crazy concept!
All drilling will do is put more oil on the world market, and we wont see a drop of it, for about 10-15 years. See what Lindsey Williams, a conversative baptist minister (who was invited to sit on the board of big oil) as Kissinger and the cabal working out of NY, put their 30 year plan together…the plan has worked perfectly for Wall Street banksters/gangsters. I urge you to google Lindsey Williams and hear what he has to say.
All of this is a ploy to bring more nukes to America, for the energy industrial complex, without any way to deal with the waste.
The Bush oil men are leaving office in less than 225 days…they know that Obama is going to win, and they must get the american people wrapped up in this hysteria, so they will be screaming for opening oil drilling everywhere. They want to line up even more of our wilderness areas…cuz they know when we go to Green energy…and really cut down on the need for feeding the energy industrial complex, they want the very last penny from americans at the pump. Dont swallow this garbage..think, think, and please listen to Mr. Williams and make a comment on his most interesting book…the Non Oil Crisis.
Here is a question: if Sauds have so much oil, why is Bush selling them nuclear power and technology?
Who owns the existing refineries? It is my understanding that Saudis own that Delaware City mess
Er…unless they own Valero (which the last time I checked, they don’t), they don’t have ownership of the DE City refinery area.
Also, why is it ok for Texans to have oil fields off their coasts, but not Floridians?
Because Texans are smarter.
Look, Sharon made a funny!
And you’re right, because when I want to escape the winter chill I never consider the Florida coast.
What would you rather have off your coast, a wind farm or oil rigs?
Real simple answer I think.
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