Handgun Used To Kill Five Factory Workers After Argument
A 25-year-old employee at a plastics factory in Kentucky shot dead five colleagues and injured another before killing himself, police have said.
He opened fire at the Atlantis Plastics factory in Henderson city after arguing with a male supervisor, said police.
Using a handgun he got from his car, the employee killed his 30-year-old supervisor, two other male workers and two females, police told the BBC.
I blame the bullet
If everyone in the factory was armed, this would not happen….
I can’t wait for that one.
So, jason, just wondering–what is your position on gun control?
I’m a die hard 2nd amendment man. If you are in a state militia you can have a gun.
Interesting how modern state “militias” consist of regimented soldiers who swore to uphold and defend the Constitution, including the Second Amendment.
So does this mean when I went in the military I swore an oath to uphold my right to have a gun as a soldier and defend the right of the military to have all the guns?
What we really need now is to begin looking at knife control. Just look at how Japan’s only having gun control worked out for them :
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-stab9-2008jun09,0,4629101.story
Vehicle control should be next on the agenda :
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-car-strikes-crowd-bothjun17,0,2959905.story
Yeah, yeah…”knives and cars aren’t like guns”. True, both cause way more deaths (combined) than any guns…
I’m sure the folks in the Montana unorganized free state Christian militia appreciate your support.
I don’t own a gun and I am a reliable liberal.
But the way I read it, the Second Amendment is a full-carry permit. I am not sure that is a good idea, but I think that is what it says and what it means, for better or worse.
I just don’t get the “militia only” interpretation.
The whole point of the Second Amendment is that you don’t need the government’s permission to have (“keep”) or carry (“bear”) a gun.
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep …
That could not be any more plain spoken or direct. No militia = no guns.
But I’ll make an exception and allow flint lock muskets.
I’ve always interpreted the Second Amendment as: “Any citizen has a right to bear arms”. One of many logical reasons would be for participation in a well-regulated militia.
The Founders must have felt a need to qualify their decision and offered the most relative one, as it pertains to government.
They could’ve prefaced the amendment with something about hunting and food…. 😉
“That could not be any more plain spoken or direct. No militia = no guns.”
Spoken like a man who never read any of the contemporary debates on the second amendment, wherein those who crafted it and voted for it made it clear that they were exactly establishing individual not group rights.
As a matter of fact, it’s tough to find anything in the constitution or Bill of Rights that establishes a “group right” in the sense (or non-sense) that you use it.
But that’s ok, jason. You have the right not to own gun. Happy, now?
vC “They could’ve prefaced the amendment with something about hunting and food…”
The last draft of the amendment before it passed included (I kid you not) language saying Congress could not infringe on the right of people to hunt and fish….
Bear arms are tacky unless you have good muscle tone.
Let’s see if i buy the argument that the second amendment gives every citizen the right to bear arm’s then my weapon of choice is an A BOMB
TT
Good, I never knew you were a Libertarian.
In what universe do you reside that your statement passes for a serious comment on 2nd Amendment rights?
Steve
Loosen up stop being so serious is you ass so tight that you can’t recognize an attempt at Humor even if it’s a feeble attempt at that.
i still blame the bullets.
do i have the right to bear a nuclear weapon though. Let’s be honest when it comes time to fucking throw down a 9mm will totally lose to a 60 mega ton nuke!
bear that motherfucker!
Steve, being in favor of the right to own guns does not a Libertarian make. Wasn’t the militia clause put in there because Washington and other “professional” soldiers despised their sloppiness and ineffectiveness? I seem to recall that’s why the militia was directed to be “well-regulated” — because in many states it wasn’t.
Tyler: If knives and vehicles were the most effective weapons, we’d issue them to the troops, wouldn’t we? I am for the individual right to own guns, but we must acknowledge that our founders never considered technological advances and how they would affect the argument. For that matter, I don’t think any of them anticipated that the country would go more than two centuries without another Constitutional convention.
Oh yes Steve on most subjects I am a libertarian narc laws do away with them sex laws also let the people be free to make their on choices no matter how stupid they may be. lets have real freedom in this country that means everyone minding their own business. remember back in the 20’s and 30’s we were killing people in this country over BEER so i say down with the Narc police down with the sex police and down with the religious police.
C’mon, Al, be realistic. The knives would never get through security and the cars would just be too bulky, not to mention the fact that they could never get traction in the sand.
DHB: The latest story says the gunman was upset over his supervisor’s insistence that he wear safety goggles and not use his cell phone on the production line. So you can also blame cell phones and safety goggles.
I blame his supervisor and co-workers. They totally had it coming.
…too soon?
Dom
Please don’t blame the victims. Remember that McCain was a victim and not a hero he was placed in harms way by family connections . It was unfair of them to put him in a position that he was totally unqualified for
if he was performing his job up to standard then I still only blame the bullet
TT – Ummm…what?
Ha! TT…
Yeah, finishing in the last percentile of your Naval Academy class doesn’t a fighter pilot make.
But I guess being a recipient of his dad’s and pop-pop’s patronage/admiralty got him into fighter pilot school and subsequently shot down.
Was he willing and capable to learn what he needed to become a fighter pilot? Maybe, but his transcript says maybe not.
All I know is that someone with his grades and disciplinary record would have never received entry into aerial combat school.
He’s not a victim; he’s a willing child of privilege….so much so, he sounds like a Bush!
Oh yeah, BTW, all of the above makes Obama EVEN MORE of an Elitist….somehow.
VON CRACKER
Did I forget to mention that while McCain was in training he had 3 crashes one would of washed out any other student. Alas less than 20 hours over Nam he was shot down and captured he more than likely wasn’t paying attention to the survival course like the pilot who was shot down over the Balkans who survived on worms and made it back to safety. Also after his release from the navy he crashed an ULTRA light some Hero hey
Tyler: If knives and vehicles were the most effective weapons, we’d issue them to the troops, wouldn’t we?
Actually Al, we do issue them to troops. In fact, you can’t be issued an M16A2 without a bayonet, it is part of the weapon technically and literally comes strapped to it.
Although I served in the light infantry (i.e. you carry all your weapons and equipment on your back) I know military vehicles are very much considered weapons and are issue items.
I know that wasn’t quite the point of what you were trying to say, but nevertheless…we are surrounded by implements that can be made weapons. We can take them all away but it will never remove the evil in some men’s hearts that drives them to harm another.
Murder has never needed any “technological advances”. Its absence by prevention is arguably the foremost precept of civilization and the founders knew it. To them the right to individual self-defense was not to be denied any means necessary.
Jefferson once said that not being able to possess and carry a firearm was akin to being denied a heavy coat in the winter cold.
The bottom line, in terms of constitutional intent, is that in the era of the founders the “militia” was defined as any able-bodied adult male citizen…not a state-controlled military force.
Steve nailed it when he noted that the Bill of Rights enumerates individual rights, with the last (X) guaranteeing federalism and, again, reinforcing rights to individuals (“the people”).
The weapons of a national defense force are not what the 2nd amendment is about, and our jurisprudence rightfully recognizes laws that draw the line between the right to individual arms and the need for well-regulated arms of war and pure destruction.
The most destructive weapon an individual can possess legally under U.S. law is a fully-automatic firearm.
Like explosives or non-firearms ordinance of any kind, they are intensely-regulated and controlled by the BATFE and are only available to a tiny tiny few who possess a Class III Federal Firearms License.
Getting that licensure comes with a level of scrutiny and screening and constant surveillance that easily exceeds even the most intensive processes required to become a federal agent of any kind.
Point is that we have more than enough controls on firearms of every kind. The constant cry to up the ante exists in the realm of diminishing marginal returns, at best.
TT – I recognized the humor in your hyperbole. But I must say I have come across a number of shallow talking points/knee-jerk gun “control” pushers actually using it seriously.
I remember debating gun control in a high school forum 20 years ago with a certain son of a certain U.S. Senator from Delaware, whose last ditch argument was “so, you think anyone can own even a bazooka?!?” Given that he was very serious and the flag of pure nonsense was flying high, I rested my case at that point.
I get the pro-gun argument on an intellectual level but on a visceral level – our history and tradition of protecting gun manufacturing at all costs is killing us.
Murder has never needed any “technological advances”.
Right. But cheap, readily available handguns helps turn angry fistfights into murder.
I leanred something interesting today, when the war of 1812 started we did not have a large standing army. So every single man with a gun, went out, and more men were issued guns by the state to form make shift militias. They are a lot closer in time and space then we are to the 2nd amendment so I think that pretty clearly defines how it is done during a crisis. But even more interesting, shocking to some, was Jefferson’s proposal that every citizen is issued a gun to protect the republic from everything from corruption to war. He would make every ablebodied male a technical member of the national guard or militia to protect this state, but not necessarily to come to the aid of the anyone bu the citizens of this state….. It is interesting.
One more thing. This notion that readily available guns protect us from an over reaching government that could infringe on our civil liberties is hogwash.
Tyler, yeah, I heard of his crashes. Like you, I look at the evidence at hand and try to make a logical assessment.
McCain served out his active duty as a POW. That’s horrible, but it’s not an excuse for his record, either as a politician or as a soldier prior to his capture.
And one more thing, when you hear the loud sucking noise from McCain supporters as you say “So?” when they tell you that McCain is so awesome because he refused to receive ‘special treatment’ as a POW, such as prisoner exchange/release, you remind them that he was following US Military SOP of First in; First out.
If McCain took up the N. Vietnamese offer, he would have been court marshaled.
Funny how the constitution is sacred and should be left alone when it comes to guns, but when it comes to marriage “we” need to amend it.
Just sayin’…
P, I don’t want to be forced to marry a ghey…or have his abortion, for that matter.
😉
How about being forced to own a gun?
This notion that readily available guns protect us from an over reaching government that could infringe on our civil liberties is hogwash.
I dunno about that – you just have to know where to look.
The Waco siege led to reforms in the ATF and FBI, who at least for a while were more careful about how they got their warrants, and tried not to provoke confrontations anymore.
And during the Reagan administration there were record levels of farm foreclosures, and I recall numerous stories of bankers who were escorted off the premises by armed farmers, or even killed, and of farmers creating armed quick-reaction teams to resist foreclosures.
I guess it was just a coincidence how after a few bankers got shot, interest rates started going down and relief packages were passed.
I recall numerous stories of bankers who were escorted off the premises by armed farmers, or even killed,
C’mon dude. By that logic, the way to fix our school systems is to kill school board members.
Then again, if it works for the Chinese, why not here?
“How about being forced to own a gun?”
Pandora – when has any pro-gun person EVER made that argument. We have always said that if you don’t want one simply don’t buy one, but leave our right to choose alone. What’s so difficult to understand about that?