Anyone surprised by this?
FBI Probes Possible Obama Death Threat
3 Men, 1 Woman Arrested On Drugs, Weapons Charges; Official Says “No Credible Threat” To Obama, Convention
Take a look at those mugshots.
One of the suspects told authorities they were “going to shoot Obama from a high vantage point using a … rifle … sighted at 750 yards,” reported KCNC.
wonder if he could shoot Obama with a spoon?
Not your spoon idiocy again……didn’t you get enough of a thrashing over at Robb’s on that subject?
On that note, I’m glad they caught the fuckers.
My headline was going to be Conservative Republicans See Only One Response To Obama Momentum
… and is thought to have ties to white supremacist organizations.
Yeah. The GOP.
hmmm, all 3 suspects were involved in drugs, had the guns illegally, and at least one had outstanding warrants. Why am I not surprised that once again the CRIMINALS are the problem?
Jason- that would have been a stupid ass headline, seeing as Republicans / the GOP have nothing to do with the actions of these criminals.
Criminal Republican gun lovers.
The 1st word in that comment is the only one with any legitimacy.
Criminal.
..and Republcian gun lovers.
I know you’re just intentionally being stupid Jason, but hey, if that makes you happy then go for it.
Wait….the daily telegraph is reporting that they are Unitarian, Green Party activists all hopped up on reading too much Noam Chomsky.
My bad.
Oh that’s right I forgot. Anytime a shooting or even a shooting threat occurs (especially if the target was a liberal) It’s automatically the fault of republican gun lovers no matter the facts.
I keep forgetting folks here are delusional and think evil gun-toting republicans are out waiting to massacre liberals.
If evil racist Republicans end up killing Obama, Obama will become a matyr. A saint, like both Kennedys and MLK did. So go ahead you idiots, try to kill him.
Good to hear that the retards were caught and will be treated accordingly (hopefully, at least). They were criminals, planning to further their criminal activities, and our society has no place for men like them.
However, using their actions and plans as anecdotal evidence to damn an entire cross-section of the American populace… Yeah, that damages you and your causes more than it damages the cross-section. Anecdotally, I, as a conservative Independent, somehow managed to carry a concealed, mid-range-power pistol on my person all day yesterday and not shoot anyone. However, the argument that this action (or inaction, depending) proves all other conservative Independents are equally responsible and law-abiding would be just as vapid as some of the arguments put forward here.
Ah, yes, they must have been republicans. Great arguments there, because we all know the democratic party has zero lunatic racists registered in their ranks.
Who gives a rat’s ass what affiliation they have? They’re jackholes who thankfully were caught early.
Do something else besides trying to assign blame for once, let alone blame based on stereotypes.
Good to hear that the retards were caught and will be treated accordingly (hopefully, at least). They were criminals, planning to further their criminal activities, and our society has no place for men like them.
The problem is there are hundreds of thousands of such retards checking in with Hannity and Limbaugh (and worse) every day, with the same mentality but just one notch away from the level of actual criminality.
And people like you won’t call them out for their dangerous precursur attitudes. And when liberals call them out BEFORE the crimes, you mock them.
Even after they get caught, you condemn only the acts and not the chain of thought that led to them.
You stupid fucks live in a dream world. One where you mean something and have power over the little people. Truly delusional.
” just one notch away from the level of actual criminality. ”
One touch away from actual criminality? You know what we call someone who’s “one touch away from actual criminality” in America? We call them innocent.
“And people like you won’t call them out for their dangerous precursur attitudes. ”
Sorry, but I live in America, where it is not acceptable to label someone guilty because of what you consider “dangerous attitudes.” We have free speech and freedom of thought in this country whether the folks here at Delaware Liberal like it or not.
They were all members of the NRA.
I wonder if Linoge intends to wear his firearm to a job interview–if he ever gets one.
He could, the employer would never know, and nothing would happen.
You know, it’s people like this who give drug abuse a bad name. Most drug abusers don’t arm themselves looking for trouble. It’s just a few of them who give the rest a real black eye.
Drug abusers also can’t legally buy firearms.
Why, do you have to take a piss test before you purchase?
Mikey; then he should try–if he ever gets a job interview.
Look, it’s a stupid argument to claim that because he wore a gun and didn’t manage to shoot anyone–that it’s ok for everyone to do so. Or that’s it ok for him to do so. Hundreds of thousands of people probably drive under the influence–but we only hear of the ones who get caught. Usually, after they’ve hit someone.
Here is ATF form 4473 which must be filled out by the buyer when purchasing a firearm. Lying on said form is a felony (in fact former 76’er Aaron McKie just got busted for lying on his, since he was subject to a restraining order and indicated otherwise on his 4473.)
http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/
See question 12 A-L
Jade – Plenty of people carry around you everyday, you just don’t know it.
These mooks couldn’t hit a barn at 750 yards. They didn’t say what kind of rifle it was but there aren’t many that are effective at that range. Add the wind and thin atmosphere and you’d have to be one of the best in the world to make that shot.
No condemnation yet from Delawarepolitics.net.
Why is it that these right-wing types flat out refuse to condemn the criminals in their midsts?
Duffy – That’s exactly why the article states the following.
“3 Men, 1 Woman Arrested On Drugs, Weapons Charges; Official Says “No Credible Threat” To Obama, Convention”
Jason: Has it been shown yet that these “mooks” (h/t Duffy) are registered Republican?
Jason – Maybe because we understand that every criminal who threatens a liberal isn’t some GOP operative who needs to be condemned by the right?
I condemn the actions of criminals regardless of their political affiliations. (real or imaginary) It’d be nice if you’d drop the stupid partisan crap and do the same.
you’d have to be one of the best in the world to make that shot.
*whew* I feel better now.
I see a patter Mike. If Ward Churchill says “Boo!” Liberals are berated for not condeming him from the rooftops.
But you Republicans have actual criminals out to kill people and you think, “whatever” is the decent response.
I call bullshit on that.
If I were selling guns, how would I know if a buyer was an abuser of drugs?
MikeW: WRT Form 4473, fewer than 4% of all forms that are rejected are ever prosecuted. Why? Because the law (NRA-driven) says that it be proven that the applicant “knowingly” lied. It isn’t too difficult to defend against a charge that one “knowingly” lied.
As a result, these cases aren’t prosecuted; prosecutors are reluctant to take cases they don’t have a chance of winning.
And, no, people don’t carry around me. This I know for a fact.
“But you Republicans have actual criminals out to kill people and you think, “whatever” is the decent response.
”
“whatever” is the appropriate response. I, as a law-abiding gun owner am NOT responsible for the actions of criminals.
I’m starting to wonder if something’s wrong with you Jason considering this constant equating of criminals with law-abiding gun owners and your idiotic “Republicans are out killing people” meme.
Al –
If these NRA members turn out to be Demcorats I’ll be more than a bit surprised.
“MikeW: WRT Form 4473, fewer than 4% of all forms that are rejected are ever prosecuted. Why? Because the law (NRA-driven) says that it be proven that the applicant “knowingly” lied. It isn’t too difficult to defend against a charge that one “knowingly” lied.”
Jade – This is America buddy. Innocent until proven guilty is how things work, even in regards to “icky guns.” If you don’t like it go live in some totalitarian shithole.
Mike,
Granted, you don’t have to be a Republican to be a gun nut, but all of the gun nuts I know are Republicans.
Where are you getting that they were all NRA members, other than the baseless claim by our resident idiot JadeGold?
“Mike,
Granted, you don’t have to be a Republican to be a gun nut, but all of the gun nuts I know are Republicans.”
And why do you consistently connect “gun nuts” with the actions of criminals? I really don’t get your level of stupidity.
MikeW: Do you understand how foolish you sound?
Nobody is claiming we deny those who lie on 4473s be denied due process. What is being said is the law is designed so that even if one lies on the Form–there is little liklihood they will get prosecuted and less that they will be convicted.
So, to claim that lying on a 4473 is a felony is basically a lie.
“Has it been shown yet that these “mooks” (h/t Duffy) are registered Republican?”
Good point, Al. I know, when confronted with those mug shots, the first thing that popped into my head was “political activists.”
Why? Because the law (NRA-driven) says that it be proven that the applicant “knowingly” lied. It isn’t too difficult to defend against a charge that one “knowingly” lied.”
Jade – You just said you wanted to deny them due process with this comment. And I know you live in a fantasy world, but here in the real world lying to the Feds on form 4473 is a very real FELONY.
the first thing that popped into my head was “political activists.”
Yup, they weren’t political at all, I guess they just wanted to grab Obama’s wallet.
No condemnation yet from Delawarepolitics.net.
Why is it that these right-wing types flat out refuse to condemn the criminals in their midsts?
Because I knew the stereotyping fanaticism would be handled just fine over here today.
Mike,
A common refrain from gun lovers like yourself is “enforce the laws already on the books.”
Then the NRA goes and makes the laws unenforceable.
Get it?
Jade – Do you believe that mens rea is no longer necessary to prove guilt?
Jason – How so? How has the NRA made laws “unenforcable?” Oh, and I’ll pose the same question to you that I just did to Jade. How quick you two are to throw our legal protections under the bus when guns are involved. It’s disgusting.
She’s a criminal…Criminals are HOT.
“Then the NRA goes and makes the laws unenforceable. ”
So does the ACLU. I mean hell, think of how many more laws could be aggressively enforced if the ACLU didn’t step in and defend the rights of citizens (just like the NRA does) If “activist judges” didn’t bother striking down unconstitutitonal laws enforcement would be easier.
For that matter we could be tougher on crime and arrest & detain more people if we just got rid of all those pesky rights & freedoms codified in the Bill of Rights.
For that matter we could be tougher on crime and arrest & detain more people if we just got rid of all those pesky rights & freedoms codified in the Bill of Rights.
I’d comment on this but it is like punching Jello.
MikeW: You’re not too bright.
The stats prove that lying on a 4473 isn’t enforceable. Example: in 2003, there were over 61,000 cases where a Form 4473 was rejected. Of these 61,000+ cases–only 63 were prosecuted and convicted.
The ATF noted that it was tough to prosecute the cases because one must prove a defendant “knowingly” lied.
You just did comment on it Anon.
Jade – so what’s your solution? The way our legal system works it’s up to the government to prove the guilt of the defendant. That’s a principle of our criminal justice system that I’d rather not do away with. You know, those “pesky rights & freedoms” come up again and inhibit the abilities of law enforcement, just like they’re supposed to.
You know, those “pesky rights & freedoms” come up again and inhibit the abilities of law enforcement, just like they’re supposed to.
Do you think you have as many rights and freedoms now as you did eight years ago?
Anon: You are correct, and I absolutely agree with you – I refuse to “call out” people who have not committed crimes. Period. Whether those people are individuals who are considering committing a crime and just have not yet, or whether those people are ones whose words you disagree with, I will not call them out, because they have not committed a crime, and are therefore nothing more than innocent American citizens… just like you and I. Once your dreamworld comes to pass, and thoughtcrime is real, maybe then I will speak up… but probably not even then.
So, yes, I have mocked people who have attacked others when those others have not yet done anything illegal or damaging to another person. I have, and I will continue to do so. Because, last I paid attention, I still live in a country where freedom of expression is still honored, and where I could say, “All Christians should be subjected to merciless spankings!” (irony intended, given my Christian leanings) if I really wanted to. However, if someone heard my words and immediately set about spanking the bejesus (pun intended) out of every Christian he or she came across… well, that person would be committing an illegal activity. Did I, with my proclamation, commit an equivalently illegal activity? No. Should I bear any responsibility for the actions of another person I have no control over, and no protectorship or guardianship of? No. And that is pretty much that.
I know nothing of your political leanings, so if I mislump you, I apologize… however, I have never really understood why personal responsibility and accountability is such a sticking point for liberals. Blame the talk show hosts. Blame the bloggers. Blame the parents. Blame the society. Blame the teachers. Blame the media. Blame Hollywood. But, for a second, blame the criminal? Oh, horror of horrors! We could never do that! It is sad, the kind of society you would bring about on us.
Jason330: I could say that I am not a Republican, and instead a registered Independent (always have been, in every state I lived in), but you probably would not believe me. However, Sebastian is definitely not a Republican, and neither are Liberals with Guns, nor The Gun-Toting Liberal, nor many, many other “gun nuts”. A little Google searching would probably do you a world of good.
Gosse. I guess I provided too many links. Time to see if the comment makes it out of “moderation”…
No, but that’s not germane to this discussion and I certainly don’t want more taken away.
You’d think folks who bitch about Bush “raping the Constitution” wouldn’t be so eager to do so when it comes to issues they don’t like.
Jade – RE comment # 50. Are you going to cite those facts or throw out unsubstantiated crap like you usually do.
I’m still laughing at your claim that ” No guns were allowed at the NRA convention” since I was actually there in May.
Linoge – You forgot ProGunProgressive. He’s definitely not a Republican either.
http://www.progunprogressive.com/
MikeW… you just admitted that Bush has been taking your freedoms away… What makes you think they will stop taking your freedoms away when they finally get around to the Second Amendment? They are just saving that for last.
mike w., if it illegal to sell guns to drug abusers how can you tell if the person you are selling the gun to is or is not a drug abuser?
Anon – Why are Dems so insistent upon taking away that right?
Also, Bush will be out of office in a few months, and if Obama/Biden win the 2A will most likely come under serious fire. Obama/Biden is just about the most openly hostile anti-2A ticket you could get.
Actually, Linoge is a GOPer as is Sebastian. And PGP campaigns for GOP candidates.
“mike w., if it illegal to sell guns to drug abusers how can you tell if the person you are selling the gun to is or is not a drug abuser?”
Murder is illegal. How can you tell if the person you are selling the gun to is going to murder someone?
Mike: PGP is Sebastian… or at least one of them on the interverse. At any rate, PGP is the one I linked to :).
So you never can tell who is buying your guns?
H – If they have not committed a crime that would prohibit them from owning a firearm (see the ATF form 4473 I linked to) then no, you cannot tell whether the person buying the gun is going to commit a crime with it.
Linoge – Yeah. I didn’t mouse over the link. Both Sebastian’s have excellent blogs.
“if Obama/Biden win the 2A will most likely come under serious fire.”
Of all your claims, this is the least likely. Democrats have learned their lesson on this issue. The only people talking gun control anymore are big-city politicians — and if you had their laundry list of problems, you’d seize on easy-sounding but impractical solutions, too.
Either we learn to read minds or we prohibit all ownership and sale of firearms in the US.
It’s impossible to know the intent or future actions of someone buying guns. The best we can do is look for past criminal history and, barring that, defer to constitutional rights.
I agree, Al.
The Left realized a bit ago that gun issues are a non-starter to the crowd from the western states. Just look at the liberal turn made in Montana, Colorado, New Mexico, etc….
BTW – how full of irony – one of the suspects was found wearing a ring with a swazika and his last name is Adolph!
wudda loser.
Judging by comments made during this campaign, the “bitter clingers” remarks, Obama’s support for outright bans, Biden’s outright contempt of the youtube gun owner, and the pride he takes in his authoring of the 94′ AWB and the one he’s pushing now I’d say the Dems have NOT learned their lesson. (esp. considering what happened to them as a result of the 1st AWB….)
Hell, the 08 official Dem platform still contains “What “works” in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne.”
Von – I can’t speak for Montana & NM, but the liberal turn in CO is a product of Denver and the Denver suburbs. Denver is like a totally different state than the rest of CO, full of die-hard California transplant liberals.
Well, let us follow their “logic” and reasoning to its natural conclusion, Mike. And, in reality, it is not that hard to find extrapolations in other realms as well… After all, any male with functioning anatomy and libido could, very well, become a rapist. I propose we therefore lock up all males between the age of puberty and… well… death, for conspiracy to commit rape. Furthermore, any woman with functioning anatomy and the desire for more money could become a prostitute. As such, all women should either be involuntarily moved to Nevada, or arrested for conspiracy to commit illegal sexual activities.
The list goes on…
Increasing Latino pop in CO…about 10-15% nowadays.
Linoge – That’s what’s so funny about their arguments. They completely fall apart when applied to things other than “icky guns.”
I made the same comparisons you just did in my 2nd post ever on my blog
http://anothergunblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/something-i-emailed-to-my-grandpa-while.html
What sucks is because of the liberal swing in CO recently my Utah CCW is no longer valid there. That was one of the main reasons I applied for it in the 1st place, so that I could carry when visiting family.
Oh, by the way, that bill that invalidated my Utah CCW in CO? proposed by a Democrat and signed into law by a Democrat.
Thanks to anti-gun Democrats I now can’t carry in the only other state in this country where I have family.
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20070517/NEWS/70517042
You know, despite the nonsense claims by a few commenters here I haven’t seen any mention of these criminals being NRA members.
But hey, the truth/reality hasn’t stopped you guys before, and lord knows it’s never stopped Jadegold from spouting blatant lies.
I have publicly exposed that fact in many Wilmington Community meetings.
The police usually smiles, and my City Councilman in the 6th district does everything he can to censure my remarks.
In response to the Murder on 300 South Van Buren Street The police braged that they confiscated 714 guns in Wilmington.
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When asked if there was a diagnosis performed on the source of the guns. He stated that the guns were sent to ATF, but no one has requested any synopsis on any statistics gathered, or study done.
When people presume to make suggestions for gun controls, but fail to take into account, actually trying to study the situation, we have insanity.
714 guns confiscated in Wilmington, a city with 70,000 people, is 1 gun per 100 people. Presumably these guns were used in crimes, or possessed by persons prohibited. And therefore rightfully confiscated. [ I hope.]
BUT to do NO STUDY to determine the source of the weapons? Such a failure to study the guns and the data they provide, just indicates the politics of the situation is driven by opinion and bias. That is why I am against those who expound on GUN CONTROL, it is mostly uninformed opinion and emotions.
Oh, and as a recent find for liberals supporting the Second Amendment, the inherent and natural right to self-defense, and gun rights, I give you the Amendment II Democrats… who are a little concerned, with good reason, over Obama’s selection of Biden. At any rate, their main site is here.
Like I said, Google is a good thing.
I think it’s funny that those “evil” Blackwater folks with all their guns have gone green an embraced alternative energy.
Not to mention they use lead-free disintegrating ammunition.
I doubt any of that will make the far left hate them any less.
http://victorycaucus.com/Latest/A_Day_at_Blackwater.htm