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Sen. Obama has the thinnest resume of any candidare for President since Woodrow Wilson.
Sen. MCcain has one of the deepest resumes of anyone to run for President.
And did I mention he was a POW?
Please stop referring to McSame as a war hero he was a VICTIM and still is
So what “experience” does Obama have?
What little legislative experience he does have shows him to be one of the most liberal Senators in America, a man who has toed the party line whenever possible. Not exactly the kind of guy who’s “reached across the aisle”
TT, watching a democRAT trying to pilot their own little swift boat is funny. Thanks for the laughs.
By the way, you point the muzzle toward the bad guy.
Obama=”CHANGE”
McCain=”DIRECTION”
Playing “opposite day” might be fun in Romper Room, but it lacks the substance to be handed the keys to the White House.
Even Billy Clinton actually PICKED a direction in 1992.
“I voted against the war” is the depth of his “experience.” What’s sad is that along with a charismatic package is enough to have some of you folks fawning over the guy.
Don’t forget “that speech in 2002”
He’s like Jerry McGuire!!!
“IT WAS JUST A MEMO!!!!”
He had them at “change”……really, isn’t that just about it. DemocRATS are just a bunch off self-centered unhappy divorcees-to-be. Just crap on what you got, cuz you all sad/mad……
It’s called Prozac!
Wow, glad to see the wingnuts are not taking thier medication. “Experience” has proven nothing to the job of president as we have had great presidents with no resume (LINCOLN) and presidents with amazing resumes who provided no significant benefits. The argument that should be made is that OBAMA offers positions on issues that will lead the American economy and security into the future while Bush’s sidekick McCain offers to drag us howling back into the concept of unending wars, the removal of woman’s rights one shred at a time (but hey if you are a women who liked the 1950’s model of being screwed over then go ahead and vote for mccain. Which, the 1950’s model doesn’t work in the present since McCain wouldn’t be bringing back the balancing act of forcing companies to pay a living wage to support two people b/c that would be too much of a burden.) and providing tax cuts for the uber wealthy while screwing the poor and middle class. So to put it simply EXPERIENCE doesn’t matter when you are still wrong on all of the basic issues. Instead it just shows that your grand experience has caused you to become even more confused and paranoid by supporting the flawed BUSH policies.
Well said Phantom.
Look, if your experience is driving the bus into the ditch on the left hand side of the road, do I really want the same experienced bus driver to drive the bus into the ditch on the right side of the road.
Maybe I want a new bus driver and see what he can do.
“So to put it simply EXPERIENCE doesn’t matter when you are still wrong on all of the basic issues.”
Agreed. And I disagree with ~95% of Obama’s policies. That’s a damn good reason not to vote for him, experience or not.
Phantom rocks!
“McCain offers… the removal of woman’s rights one shred at a time”
Other than his stance on Abortion I don’t see where the hell you get the notion he wants to remove women’s rights.
Obama is against women’s rights too, just different ones.
There is good experience and bad experience.
George W Bush and Dick Cheney clearly are more experienced today to serve as President than McCain or Biden or Obama. That doesn’t mean that they are desirable as President. This doesn’t change the fact that their experience is BAD experience. They have shown what NOT to do, what damage can be done when experience (such as Cheney’s) is combined with bad policy.
Please tell me that you didn’t really try to compare Senator Obama’s age with Senator McCain’s years in government? I mean, that’s such an obvious foul-up that you can’t really have done that! 🙂
Perhaps Delaware’s most underappreciated blogger was attempting to make some subtle point that I have somehow missed.
What little experience Obama has shows me that he subscribes to socialist policies that haven’t worked in the past (in the U.S. or abroad) and will be similarly spectacular failures when put into policy by “The Messiah.”
I want a change from bush as well, but what I don’t want is “change” that is little more than re-trying old policies just because “now the right people are in charge.”
http://anothergunblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/candidates-of-change.html
“Please tell me that you didn’t really try to compare Senator Obama’s age with Senator McCain’s years in government?”
Dana – Sadly he did. Pretty bad when that’s the best you can come up with.
I want a change from bush as well, but what I don’t want is “change” that is little more than re-trying old policies just because “now the right people are in charge.”
So who the hell can you possibly vote for?
Well I sure as hell cant’ vote Obama/Biden under that criteria. read the linked post.
And remember folks, America and the world do have history that goes back more than 8 years….
Can’t somebody put up an “I-read-MikeW’s-blog-so-you-don’t-have-to” post?
I nominate Jason!
I want a change from bush as well, but what I don’t want is “change” that is little more than re-trying old policies just because “now the right people are in charge.”
Your criteria fit McCain far more closely than Obama. McCain is literally promising to continue the same policies, for example Iraq and taxes.
Obama is promising to return to the successful tax policy, pro-business policies, and internationalist foreign policy of the 1990s.
If you are trying to pin an older style of liberalism on Obama, you are perpetrating a straw man.
Can’t somebody put up an “I-read-MikeW’s-blog-so-you-don’t-have-to” post?
I only posted the link to my blog post because it expanded upon the point I was making.
“If you are trying to pin an older style of liberalism on Obama, you are perpetrating a straw man.”
Obama isn’t even close to true “old style” (I.E. Classical) Liberalism. So much of Obama’s policies are just the same old crap wrapped up in a hope & change package. It’s a shame he doesn’t actually bring new ideas to the table, despite claiming that he does.
Anon – you have a very myopic view of history.
Experience is overrated; give me good judgment any day.
Who knows what kind of judgment McCain possesses? He changes positions more than Linda Lovelace, he blows-up when confronted, and he calls his wife a cunt in public.
Again, I don’t trust McCain’s judgment.
VC, you don’t trust McCain’s judgment because . . . well, you know . . . he was a POW.
who knows…he could’ve been brainwashed in Hanoi….
About as plausible as Obama being a muslim extremist….but there are idiots out there that truly believe it….
Yeah, I can’t believe people actually believe that crap about Obama being a Muslim. Besides, even if he were the majority of Muslims are not violent jihadists.
Mike,
Lets see how McCain is against women’s rights.
Abortion – ie a LEGAL method for a women to have an abortion if they want but not forcing them to have one. Whereas for him you have no choice but to not have one so a woman has NO CHOICE if she wants to follow the law. That to me seems a removal of a woman’s right to choose something done with her body.
Equal Pay for Equal Work: McCain didn’t support the most recent legislation from the House that would have enforced this policy for business.
FMLA: McCain doesn’t support a universal healthcare policy that would enable new mothers guaranteed PAID time off after a child is born and expanding the amount of that timeframe.
Reproductive Rights: McCain states that life begins and conception and would therefore need to ban all forms of contraceptives, including birth control, thereby effectively taking away a woman’s right to choose whether to have safe sex or not.
I’m sure there are others that also affect women but those are the one’s that stand out to me.
“McCain states that life begins and conception and would therefore need to ban all forms of contraceptives”
When did he say that?
I’m with you on abortion. I’m pro-choice as well.
Equal pay for equal work. – We don’t need government legislation for crap like this. Employers are free to pay people what they want, and employees are free to take it or leave it.
FMLA – Who pays for that guaranteed time off? The government? I see no reason to force employers to provide paid maternity leave to women. And guess what’ll happen if they have to? They’ll simply hire fewer women. Would this bill provide guaranteed paid leave for couples where the husband decides to be the one to take off and care for the child?
Reproductive Rights – I just read about this as well. It’s being pushed by Bush and I’m 100% against it. (damn puritanical religious conservatives) I haven’t however seen anything about McCain supporting such a measure.
“I’m with you on abortion. I’m pro-choice as well.”
But does abortion need to be a federal issue? I think Roe v. Wade’s Constitutional foundation is weak at best.
And I still want to see this: “McCain states that life begins and conception and would therefore need to ban all forms of contraceptives” substantiated.
Jeebus. MikeW isn’t the brightest bulb out there, is he?
Jade – You’re blind, so how the hell would you even know?
I do have fun with you though Jade, because your bullshit is so easily refuted it’s laughable. Not to mention most of your “claims” have already been thoroughly debunked by others.
Ever do a google search for “jadegold?”
Okay,
First I was not arguing the merits of the factor but rather just stating that they are factors that affect women and McCain’s position.
Since abortion has been pretty much covered I won’t go over that point other than to say that the only opinion that matters on the constitutionality of abortion are the justices on the Supreme court since that is thier domain. I believe it needs to be federal versus state as the majority of women affected are poor or lower income. Now do I think that if the pro-life lobby decided to just stop spewing crap and donated money to support adoptions and helping poor mothers carry children to term that abortion would be quite rare. Well, you take a guess.
Equal pay for equal work: Mike your capitalist nature assumes that the market works best but you forget that an uncontrolled market is one that would quickly destroy the entire foundations of society. This cocept is a check to the balance of capitalism stating that if someone is in Position A and another is in the same position A that they are paid equal all other factors being equal. Unfortunately the market doesn’t encourage this behavior which is why there is legislation.
FMLA: This was just a point that Obama’s universal healthcare would help lead to improved maternity leave (as it has done in every country with universal healthcare.) McCain’s would not. And yes it would apply to fathers. Payment methods would need to be worked out but could be similar to 401K where an employer could match and an employee would contribute tax free while the government provided a third level of subsidy. Just a thought.
Reproductive Rights: McCain stated unequivocally at the Warren forum that life began at conception. If that is his belief along with his not speaking out against the proposed Bush changes that would try to implement this policy then he must be against anything that blocks conception aka a contraceptive. Since he states that his beliefs are a major point of his campaign (ie pro life, POW, etc.) I must take him at his word and believe that he would follow through with this policy.
Is it just possible that Obama might have been the beneficiary of some ‘bonus points’ in his academic career?
His role as an associate at a law firm representing Chicago Slimelords has been defined as rather minor by the candate himself. President of Harvard Law Review should have led to a position as a clerk for a top jurist or an invitation from a top law firm.
Perhaps marriage to the daughter of a Cook County ward heeler promised him a future in the profitable world of Cook County politics, where corruption is often bipartisan. He seems to have crossed the venal and radical streams of Chicago politics and may fancy himself as a political Icarus.
He is flying very close to the sun.
Thanks for your concern, Art!
“If that is his belief along with his not speaking out against the proposed Bush changes that would try to implement this policy then he must be against anything that blocks conception aka a contraceptive. ”
Boy, I wish folks here would apply this when they try to tell me things like “Obama isn’t anti-gun” or “Liberals aren’t trying to take away your 2A rights.”
FMLA – You make my point for me. Employers would be forced to pay for it, and the government would (most likely) subsidise it. The government has no business paying for it, and no business forcing employers to pay for it. You do sign a contract when you get hired. It’s the employers decision whether they want to provide paid maternity leave. I know that my employer does.
Phantom – Thank you for engaging in good, reasoned debate. It’s a refreshing change from the usual around here.
anon wrote:
John McCain.
Look, we all know that it’s a Democratic meme that John McCain is just a third term for George Bush, but we also know that’s not true. Mr McCain broke from the majority of Republicans, and from President Bush, on a number of issues. When Mr McCain takes office, the old Bush team will be swept out, and a new McCain team will come in, period. There might be a few, mostly minor, holdovers, but the new president always brings in his team.
We know that y’all want to run against George Bush, but George Bush isn’t running again.
And I will vote McCain, though I’m not so much voting FOR McCain as I am AGAINST Obama/Biden.
“Reproductive Rights: McCain stated unequivocally at the Warren forum that life began at conception. If that is his belief along with his not speaking out against the proposed Bush changes that would try to implement this policy then he must be against anything that blocks conception aka a contraceptive. Since he states that his beliefs are a major point of his campaign (ie pro life, POW, etc.) I must take him at his word and believe that he would follow through with this policy.”
find me any credible news source (fuck it, I’ll even take a kinda-credible new source) that says John McCain has ever advocated making contraceptives illegal
“I believe it needs to be federal versus state as the majority of women affected are poor or lower income.”
Who taught you constitutional law?!?! Why would that make it a federal issue?
“Now do I think that if the pro-life lobby decided to just stop spewing crap and donated money to support adoptions and helping poor mothers carry children to term that abortion would be quite rare. Well, you take a guess.”
you don’t know many pro-life organizations, do you?
Mr McCain broke from the majority of Republicans, and from President Bush, on a number of issues.
Very rarely. And one could point to most any GOP congressman and find he didn’t vote with Bush Jr. 100% of the time.
100 years in Iraq, baby!
“Who taught you constitutional law?!?! Why would that make it a federal issue?”
Probably Obama. I swear if I’d taken Con Law with Obama I’d want a full refund. Thankfully I had excellent (though challenging) Con Law professors.
Of course Obama is no fan of Federalism, unless he’s talking about the “rights” of local communities to enact common-sense gun laws, then suddenly he’s all for the 10th Amendment.
Thankfully I had excellent (though challenging) Con Law professors.
Hahhaha.
Meanwhile Jadegold lacks the intellectual ability to even substantively discuss constitutional issues.
You’re probably right, Mikey. I didn’t attend BurgerKing’s School of Law like you.
Who said anything about law school?
How can people argue that Obama’s lack of “experience” at 47, is trumped by McCains 26 years of experience.
Well, given that at least a third of that time, Obama was a minor, you’d have to cut that time out. Then there’s another 7-8 years of higher education. Which means he’s been an adult exactly the amount of time John McCain has been a politician. So, I suppose you want to cut out all the stuff John McCain did before politics. And McCain would still be more qualified.
Whoever it was who laughably suggested that John McCain would send women back to the 1950s must be out of his mind. Is John McCain going to take away my right to own property? Get credit? Go to court and sue in my own name? I think not.
Abortion isn’t just about a woman and her doctor. It’s about a baby. And every woman who has been pregnant knows that. She can determine that her right to “choice” supercedes the baby’s right to life, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t know there’s more to consider. To argue that life begins at conception doesn’t negate any argument about bodily integrity. It just complicates it.
Equal pay–the equal pay for equal work argument is bogus because it tries to equate different work in order to force employers to raise wages for different jobs. If I want to be paid like an engineer, I better do an engineer’s job and not a secretary’s. But don’t compare a secretary with a ditch digger and say that they really use the same skills and should be compensated accordingly. That’s just dumb.
FMLA–paid maternity leave is nice, but it makes employers less likely to hire women, particularly in low-level jobs. That means more low income women out of work. Hmm. That doesn’t work real well, does it?
Contraception–the Bush administration has not, in fact, proposed banning contraception. The article that was originally quoted (sorry, don’t have it with me) made that point. The argument was that clinics and hospitals should not punish doctors and nurses for refusing to do abortions. And everyone should have freedom of conscience, right?
Yup. Sharon seeks a return to the 1950s.
Let’s talk about McCain’s experience, shall we?
When McCain entered political office, in 1982, the national debt was about $1T (trillion with a ‘T’). Today, it’s 9 times larger.
During the S&L scandal, M<CCain was at the center–taking money and vacations and other goodies from Charles Keating. Good experience.
McCain also voted against Martin Luther King Day, along with Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms.
100 years in Iraq, baby!
“When McCain entered political office, in 1982, the national debt was about $1T (trillion with a ‘T’). Today, it’s 9 times larger.
”
And that’s his fault how exactly? That’s like saying gas prices are his fault because they were less when he took office. It’s a moronic statement.
Biden was there at that time too.
My issue with McCain is I do not know who he is and what he truly stands for anymore. It’s obvious to everyone that much of what he believes in now is very different than what he stated in in the past
Personally, I think all this Maverick bullshit was a political neck-saving ploy after the Keating scandal. His well-known temper and occasional misogynistic words are things that don’t play well with me either.
I think he used his celebrity and press pandering to stay afloat.
Okay Sharon,
Since you want to take on abortion lets go there. The argument of pro-choice versus pro-life is apples versus oranges since one deals with the OPPORTUNITY to LEGALLY have an abortion while the other deals with the potential child (I say potential b/c I don’t believe that life begins at conception). Whether the mother knows or not is just another attempt to change to topic to the pro-life argument rather than the basic argument that it should be a women’s right to choose whether or not to have an abortion b/c of something in her own body. Would you deny a choice for a women to not have surgery if diagnosed with breast cancer. The argument is ON THE CHOICE. I happen to believe that the choice needs to be legal and federal so that it can be applied universally. Also, I believe that abortions should be extremely rare and only in dire circumstances but that option should not be legislated but rather determined by having an actual pro-life movement that doesn’t just picket abortion clinics but rather reaches out to the women who are pregnant and offers sound realistic (not preaching bible thumping evangelical nonsense) support with caring and understanding religious overtones (if done by a religious organization) to help them through the tough times. I see absolutely no need for the movement to be wasting money on demonstrations and advertisements that only serve to disgust and hide the argument on abortion. Rather if they would follow the example set by Ghandi and MLK Jr. then they would lead by example. Tell me if all pro-life publicity was that they helped expectant mothers by taking care of them until the baby was born and supporting them with the adoption or starting to take care of them that more women would not seek out an abortion.
I don’t even know if I can go to the equal pay topic as you evidently can’t read all the way through a topic. I said EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK. All things being equivalent. You instead chose to twist it to just equal pay for totally different work. If you are a secretary an I (as a male) am a secretary and you are praised up and down while I am on the verge of getting fired but I make one and a half times your pay then that is correct?
FMLA – Once again with the reading issue. This must be a common theme. I stated that with universal healthcare this could occur. Right now it is a requirement but unpaid. I stated that in conjunction with universal healthcare this could be expanded but that the payment system would need to be developed properly and threw out an idea. Also, this was meant as a point of something McCain doesn’t support that predominantly affects women.
Contraception – Actually Sharon the Bush administration got beat down by publicity from every corner and caved on eliminating the life begins at conception from the rule. Why do you defend business on the equal pay issue but then turnaround and support government intervention on whether they can force thier employees to do work? Right now all that the law does is state that your personal beliefs can’t stop you from distributing medications and contraceptives. If at my job I thought that money was the root of all evil and wouldn’t process a transaction your argument would allow me to keep working b/c I need freedom of conscience while my employer pays me to do nothing. WOW. Not to mention that in the medical profession you actually deal with life and death issues and why on earth would we give anyone dealing with life or death issues (cops, firemen, doctors, etc.) the option of just not helping someone in need due to thier conscience. If your conscience bothers you then GET ANOTHER JOB IN ANOTHER LINE OF WORK!!!! It is that simple.
Just a reminder…McCain was elected to the Senate seat vacated by Barry Goldwater. Goldwater was pro-choice on libertarian grounds and believed “a woman has a right to an abortion.”
Hey,
Can someone take a look at the back end as a comment I posted earlier is suppossedly in moderation?
“Just a reminder…McCain was elected to the Senate seat vacated by Barry Goldwater. Goldwater was pro-choice on libertarian grounds and believed “a woman has a right to an abortion.””
Who the hell cares? This is the 21st century.
Barack revoltingly voted against the Infant Born Alive Act while John McCain has taken a solid Pro-Life stance
Ok, I am not even going to go into whether or not McCain actually said any of the above… What I want to know is how this sentence is supposed to be, in any way, logical. Believing that life starts at conception would preclude abortion, of course, but it would hardly rule out contraceptives.
*shrug* Speaking as a pro-women’s-choice-when-it-comes-to-abortion, pro-letting-employers-pay-what-they-want-and-employees-take-it-or-leave-it, anti-FMLA, and pro-contraceptives individual, I will still be voting for McCain. Sure, I do not agree with him on a lot of things. But I disagree with him on fewer topics than I do Obama. Such is the life of a two-party country.
Hey wacko, Obama wasn’t even in the Senate when that bill was passed.
What you are trying to refer to (if you knew what the fuck you’re talking about) was similar legislation proposed by the fundies in Illinois. The reason he opposed the state legislation was due to the vague language of the bill which would have been open to interpretation, e.g. – loopholes. These interpretations could have been an opportunity for the anti-choicers, through court petitions, to limit women’s ability to obtain an abortion.
Good job at misrepresenting!
“John McCain has taken a solid Pro-Life stance”
And with all of McCain’s stances, it should come with the caveat: “….for now.”
More Dipshittery:
“McCain stated unequivocally at the Warren forum that life began at conception. If that is his belief …then he must be against anything that blocks conception aka a contraceptive.”
So he’s against a woman sobering up and getting a good look at you in the light?
“What you are trying to refer to (if you knew what the fuck you’re talking about) was similar legislation proposed by the fundies in Illinois. The reason he opposed the state legislation was due to the vague language of the bill which would have been open to interpretation, e.g. – loopholes.”
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1095LV.html
There is the full text of the bill.
Go ahead and show me where those loopholes are.
Too easy.
“Born Alive” – but basically meaning born dying.
The birth will die, leaving the doctor, hospital, and insurance companies easily open to wrongful death suits. These suits will have the intended effect of limiting the participation of the entities mentioned above.
What you have here is a loophole, specifically designed (or intentionally lacking) to cajole a wanted outcome.
Legislation is as much about omission than it is inclusion.
“Too easy.
“Born Alive” – but basically meaning born dying.
The birth will die, leaving the doctor, hospital, and insurance companies easily open to wrongful death suits. These suits will have the intended effect of limiting the participation of the entities mentioned above.”
Did you even read it?
This practice was made federally illegal in 2002. Show me one such instance of a lawsuit like the one you describe.
There is word going around that Michelle Obama qoted or lifted lines from some communists book in her speech the other night. Some dude named Linski(?). Yikes.
Uh huh. Right wing lies is what you call “word is going around…” You right wing terrorists also believe she is a black panther. You people would be pathetic if you were not so horribly evil.
Dude, I’m far from right. Just some interesting chatter at work today.
My mistake. My comment still stands. You obviously have right wingers as co workers.
Obviously.
Geez, what the hell happened here today?
Okay, let’s deal with equal pay and employers hiring who they want… guess anyone with a pre-existing medical condition can be dumped. Everyone okay with that one? Eventually these guys are gonna cost us money. Dump them NOW!
Abortion? Don’t want one… don’t have one. And YES, it really is that simple. And if you men feel that strongly about this issue then perhaps you’d agree in sponsoring legislation that demands – under penalty of death or bankruptcy!!!! – that a father may NEVER walk away from his child.
Oh, and I don’t give a crap what you, as a father, do. This law must apply to ALL men.
Honest to God, if pro-lifers invested a fraction of the effort they put into the unborn into poverty ridden children they might actually solve the problem.
dhb was number 69
You wish! 😉
Oops! I get it now, you perv. Sorry, I still think of you as dhb. sigh.
I’ve read it.
Read this
My understanding is that it’s a very rare occurrence. It’s “Statement” legislation, nothing more.
And you’re mixing the two bills, US and IL. Did you know that?!?…lol
facts don’t stand in the way of the truth VC!
“Uh huh. Right wing lies is what you call “word is going around…” You right wing terrorists also believe she is a black panther. You people would be pathetic if you were not so horribly evil.”
Yeah, Obama is our savior and can do no wrong, but the Republicans are “right wing terrorists” anad “horribly evil.”
Get a grip.
Mike, there can be only one Savior…
…and his name is Cole Hamels.
I can’t believe I looked that up, VC!
I had to look it up too. I’m not a baseball fan. It’s the one major sport I don’t follow.