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Let’s assume that starting tomorrow all GUN laws were gone. No more. NONE. NOT ONE. ZERO. What would happen?
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Ammo prices would temporarily skyrocket. The citizens of Nazi states like CA, NJ, MD, DC, IL and MA would rejoice. Obama, Schumer, Biden, Paul Helmke, Sarah Brady and their ilk would all shit their pants.
There would be serious shortages of full auto weapons, and I’d bet that in the short term you’d see an uptick in violence in high crime areas.
Serious hoplophobes in this country would all move to the UK or Canada.
Nothing. Can’t you already get a full auto weapon if you can pass airport security?
the commenter #1 proves he brings nothing to the table once again.
basically nothing would change I take it. Seems worth fighting for then….
I’ d be able to buy whatever guns I wanted and you’d be able to choose not to buy any. Nothing would really change for you, but it’d sure be nice for me not to have to worry about accidentally running afoul of the myriad of crazy gun laws in this country, or having to avoid certain states entirely.
I could actually BEAR arms in this country the way the founders intended. By right rather than by privilege.
It wouldn’t change my life.
“Seems worth fighting for then….”
Aren’t individual liberties always worth fighting for?
your blog would go through the roof in comment-hits for about a month, then drop dead…nothing left to talk about.
According to what I read here liberals would quickly die off as they were hunted down by evil, gun-toting republicans.
All the people who want guns have them already, whether acquired legally or not.
smitty
you get a carlton for that one…on top of an awesome!
10 comments in….
still nothing
Still Nothing?
Is there some specific “correct answer” you’re waiting for?
Honestly, I do not really know. It would be an unprecedented event, and thus would be rather difficult to speculate on.
On a personal note, I would definitely be legally (no ATF checks and the like) and financially (no tax stamps and limited supplies to drive up the prices) able to purchase a KRISS in automatic, short-barrel format, and would do so, simply because it looks far too much fun to shoot, and the engineering that went into it is just amazing.
Also, I could legally carry my firearm I currently carry on a daily basis wherever I go, including parks, the library, and the post office, instead of having to worry about disarming myself any time I happen to come across one of those (and hundreds of others) locations. And it would be nice to be able to carry when visiting my parents (for some reason, their state and my state do not have a reciprocity agreement). Oh, and the comfort and ease of carrying openly might become more socially acceptable, instead of having to hide my firearm away from the easily-offended eyes of the common folk.
Other than that… all speculation, guesswork, and estimation. *shrugs*
Why can’t gun owners be required to carry liability insurance, like car owners? That way if your gun hurts somebody, your insurance pays. And the free market would set the rates for your gun liability insurance, depending on how much of a knucklehead you are.
smitty
you get a carlton for that one…on top of an awesome!
Dude, we had Paris, now we have Paris, TX. You bastard.
There a few guns that are illegal now that I would probably be saving up money to uy.
I’d buy a suppressor – Illegal in DE right now for my .22 pistol and AR. I’d be really nice to be able to legally protect my hearing.
An SBR would be nice to have too, since I wouldn’t have to jump through hoops, open up my entire life to the Feds, and pay the $200 tax stamp.
Anon – RE 14. Gun ownership is a right in this country. Owning a car is not.
I’d be nice to be able to visit my friends in MD without leaving my gun behind, and the fact that CO no longer has reciprocity with my UT permit would be irrelevant. I could carry when going out there to visit family, which would be great.
“I’d buy a suppressor – Illegal in DE right now for my .22 pistol and AR. I’d be really nice to be able to legally protect my hearing.”
Word son. Did you know in France they’re all about suppressors? I got a cousin out in AZ with 3 of them, he says he doesn’t even have to wear hearing protection with his suppressed .22
I could actually BEAR arms in this country the way the founders intended. By right rather than by privilege.
Hmm, the way the founders intended. Pandora and Cassandra, I wave my magic wand and now you can no longer vote. Ah, the way the founders intended.
Nemski – I’m all for expanding the rights laid out in the constitution to encompass as many citizens as possible. I’m not a fan of attempting to read an enumerated right out of the Constitution, as many have been trying to do for years.
No matter how you try and spin it, Keep and BEAR means just that. It doesn’t mean carry in some states and not in others.
Sadly you folks who don’t own guns will never understand difficult, frustrating, and utterly ridiculous the myriad of laws we have actually are.
Here’s a quick example of how stupid our gun laws are.
I can open carry in DE and can OC in a vehicle, no permit needed. I cannot OC in PA nor can I carry in the car without a valid permit. I have a UT Carry permit, which allows me to carry concealed (CC) in PA. As a DE resident it is no good to me in this state. A PA, or even an MD or NJ resident could obtain the same permit I have and carry in DE.
Literally, in order to not break the law if I want to go 5 minutes north I have to unholster in the car, put the gun on the seat unholstered, drive to PA and then reholster, making sure I conceal so I don’t break PA law.
Edit – Sorry, that should read I cannot OC or CC in a car in PA without a valid permit. I CAN OC in PA, just not in the car.
Mike w. – you seem confused on PA law.
1. As a holder of “any” state’s carry permit, you MAY lawfully concealed carry or open carry in vehicles even if PA does not officially accept that state’s carry permit generally. 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 6106(b)(11).
2. PA DOES officialy accept Utah carry eprmits anyway, and PA accepts these “based on the issuance to an individual of a valid license/permit by the reciprocal contracting state, and not on the license/permit holder’s place of residence.” PA AG at http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184.
Ah, so I can carry in a vehicle in PA on my Utah non-res. I stand corrected. Still, it’d be nice if I could carry in the car on that permit while in DE prior to crossing the state line. DE has told me that holstered while driving is not considered “open carry” nor do they consider IWB carry to be sufficiently “open.”
I just recently got my permit so I’ve still got PA = no car carry stuck in my head.
Still, I hate that if I and a PA resident both obtain a Utah Non-Res the state of Delaware trusts him to carry in this state but not me. Why? We’ve both gone through identical training requirements and passed the same background check.
CCW laws are a bit of a clusterfuck.
Who told you holstered OC is not lawful in DE? Did they cite to authority? What do they want you to do – hang it from the mirror? Lay it on seat. Sure, don’t let the seat belt conceal it, but i no of no authority banning holstered OC in vheicles in nDE except for the 1-2 grandfathered localities’ ordiances banning OC gebnerally
Mike – DelOC’s discussions with the AG’s office seem to have concluded that having your gun openly holstered while driving does not constitute “open carry” in a vehicle. They’re saying it must be in plain view on the dash, seat etc. Holstered on your hip is not OC according to what we’ve been told.
I find this ridiculous, but it seems to be the state of things right now.
They also say that if any part of the gun is tucked inside clothing it’s not OC, even though I’d hardly consider a full-sized pistol tucked IWB with the grip and half the slide exposed “concealed.”
Of course they have no legal citations for this, since OC is legal. What they’re saying is that this is how they’ll interpret Open Carry. It sucks.
http://www.deloc.org/deloc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=25
Here’s more on car carry. It’s an interesting read and discusses what little DE case law there is on the subject.
http://www.deloc.org/deloc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=31
I just drove from Delaware to Florida and back again. 7 states and 2000 miles completely unarmed! Its amazing I made it home alive. Oh, there were plenty of vermin trying to kill me (what’s wrong with you PA drivers?) especially through the Bay Bridge Tunnel, but sneakily carrying a gun wouldn’t have helped regardless of the various states’ gun laws.
What’s the big deal about CC? Why does an ordinary citizen need to?
“What’s the big deal about CC? Why does an ordinary citizen need to?”
Because I believe that I’m ultimately responsible for my own protection. (the SCOTUS has said as much. Police have no legal obligation to protect me, nor is it practical for them to be able to do so) As far as OC is concerned. It’s not about “need,” it’s my Constitutional right and doesn’t require I ask government permission before exercising it.
Oh, and because I can’t carry a cop. Too heavy.
I drove from DE to KY straight through stopping only for rest & food at rest stops and gas stations. I was armed in the states where I was legally able. Considering I was traveling alone, at night, and napping in the car carrying was the prudent and responsible thing to do.
Why? Because it is necessary. (Link being http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html in case it gets lost.)
Because my safety is not only my right, but it is also my sole responsibility. Because the police have no legal requirement to protect or defend me as an individual, and even if they did, they are only minutes away when seconds matter. Because there really are criminals in this world, people who would do harm to me and mine if given the chance, and I would rather have means to defend myself than not (and just because you have not encountered those kinds of people (thankfully, I have not either), it does not mean they do not exist). Because it is my natural right, as defended and protected by the Constitution, and it is my choice.
All Americans would have Equal Protection under the 2nd Amendment if we got rid of all gun laws.
As it stands some American’s are worthy of exercising their 2A rights while petty tyrants have deemed others unworthy.
We’ve done a tremendous job expanding civil liberties in this country to provide equal protection to ALL groups (women, blacks etc.) It would only make sense to do the same with the 2nd Amendment.
You are responsible for your own safety, so don’t put yourself in a situation where that safety is compromised. Carry a gun if you want to, I don’t care, but don’t make the US out to be the wild west with a rattlesnake or murderous Indian behind every rock waiting to attack mike w. That’s silly, and frankly it makes you appear weak to me.
“but don’t make the US out to be the wild west with a rattlesnake or murderous Indian behind every rock waiting to attack mike w. That’s silly, and frankly it makes you appear weak to me.”
Funny how the anti-gunners are the ones who constantly talk like this. Where did I imply that the U.S. is like the Wild West with someone waiting behind every rock to attack me? Oh that’s right, I didn’t, YOU did.
We simply recognize that bad shit can happen to good people and in “nice” areas and that the police most likely wont be there to save us, therefore we decide to be responsible for our own safety.
Accepting that it is possible you could be a victim of violence and preparing yourself accordingly is by no means “obsessing” or “living in fear.” What it is is taking a rational, common-sense approach to individual safety.
You interpret this common-sense view of reality to mean that us “gun nuts” are paranoid nutjobs waiting to kill anyone who looks at us wrong. You are out of touch with basic reality and are merely projecting your fears and insecurities onto us so that you “feel” better.
If you don’t want a gun for self-defense fine, don’t buy or carry one, but don’t imply that the millions of Americans who do are “silly” “weak” or “paranoid.” They make a choice, as do you. Unfortunately one side of the gun debate simply wants to retain their rights, while the other side tries to deny ALL Americans that fundamental choice.
Where did I say I was against guns, dude? I’ve said in other threads (perhaps not on this board) that I own and use guns of my own. I am a farmer, I have to protect the flock.
Paranoid is a good observation you made. If you really want to keep from having “bad shit” happen to you, make sure you eat right and exercise regularly. That will likely get you further along the road of life than packin’ heat. Carry away, bro.
p.s. I am also a card carrying member of the NRA and I didn’t even ask to be.
Sorry, the “You” in my comment was intended to be broad, not to specifically encompass only you Meatball. That’s my mistake.
“Paranoid is a good observation you made. ”
No, I specifically made the point that carrying is NOT paranoid, since your comment came across as trying to paint me as such.
You’re right. You and I both are more likely to die of old age, a heart attack, or in a car accident than we are to die at the hands of some violent criminal.
I hope neither of us ever have to use our weapons in self-defense, but carrying and being prepared is no more paranoid than keeping a fire extinguisher at home “just in case.” Call it a life insurance policy if you will.
Of course you shouldn’t get into situations where your safety is compromised, but life is not certain. People get attacked in the slums of Philly, but also get attacked while walking their dog in the suburbs. Or hell, they get attacked while sitting at home watching TV.
Sometimes your safety is compromised with no fault or bad judgment by the victim. My grandfather was the victim of a home invasion years ago. It wasn’t his fault, he just happened to be targeted. That’s not something you’d expect to happen, but let’s face it, bad shit can and does happen.
You do not always have the luxury of that choice.
Case in point: a man stopped by a Wal-Mart around midnight to pick up a few things he needed (something I do occasionally myself). He had put everything back in his car, and was getting in his vehicle, when some idiot punk approached him with a weapon drawn. By sheer dumb luck, the punk fired and missed, and the victim fell to the ground, drew his own firearm, and successfully wounded the aggressor as he tried to flee the scene. Police later apprehended the idiot. (Source)
Accepting that there are people out there willing, able, and ready to cause you harm is not weak – that is just plain intelligent.
As far as “don’t put yourself in a situation where safety is compromised.”
It really isn’t that simple. This woman was working at a dry cleaners on a seemingly normal Friday afternoon. She ends up lying on the floor, left for dead with a bullet wound to the head.
http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/09/danger-of-compliance.html
Don’t forget your scuba tank in case your brakes go out and you plunge to the bottom of a lake. Defibrillator for sudden death syndrome. Extra shoe laces, change of underwear, mountain climbing gear, mosquito repellant, folding shovel, chain saw, magnifying glass, weather radio, emergency blanket, shark repellant, fishing gear, folding bicycle, MREs, sat phone, emergency generator, night vision goggles, rosary, holy water, and wooden stake.
You might also want to wear a hazmat suit, repirator, hell why not a ventilator, geiger counter, short wave radio, lead lined bomb shelter, beer making supplies, alcohol still, etc.
If you guys aren’t carrying this stuff with you everywhere you go, then you are woefully underprepared when some “bad shit” goes down.
If you are carrying this stuff around, then I can see why the mantra to “drill, drill, drill” exists.
Meatball – Are you sure you’re pro-gun? You don’t often see someone who’s pro-gun but anti-carry. You seem a bit unhinged.
Dude, where are you reading that I’ m anti-carry. I just think its silly. Just because I wouldn’t marry a member of the same sex doesn’t mean I’m anti-gay or anti-gay marriage.
To me claiming that you “have to CC” to protect yourself from some “bad shit” going down while ignoring the the litany other “bad shit” that is far more likely to happen to you on a daily basis, is a major hole in your argument.
It’s also why 2a issues aren’t on the top of my list of priorities.
For all you know I may already have a CC permit, right? Isn’t that the idea.
Well here in DE at least you have to publish your intention to apply for a CCW permit in your local paper (kinda defeats the purpose….)
And dude, look at your last 2 or 3 comments. They certainly sound anti-carry.
It isn’t a “hole in my argument.” I never claimed I HAD to carry, only that I choose to because I believe it’s my responsibility to protect myself.
If the argument in the NRA literature says that a local drop in violent crime is due to a greater number of concealed carriers in a particular locale and that much crime is even deterred merely by the threat of an armed citizenry, then why would publishing an applicants name in the newspaper have an adverse effect there. In fact, for the literate set of criminals I would think that alone would be a deterrent. That would be an interesting study. Plant a bunch of phoney CC applicants in the newspaper over a period of weeks and measure the effect on crime.
My comments aren’t anti-carry at all, I’m just a farmer. Like I said before, I don’t care if you carry.
My point is that you are not carrying merely to protect yourself. Otherwise, why aren’t you also choosing to protect yourself from a whole host of more likely life threatening situations?
Maybe you are but, if you aren’t, there must also be some other reason you carry, no?
in Mike’s eyes you are ANTI meatball, no matter what you tell him you are. He defines the term, not you
I refuse to be labeled ;{]
“My point is that you are not carrying merely to protect yourself.”
What possible reasons are their to carry other than for self-defense?
Publishing names in the paper is a problem on several fronts.
1. many who get CCW’s do so because there’s someone they’ve put a restraining order against and they want protection beyond a piece of paper. Publishing their name, address, and intention to apply for a CCDW puts them at risk. They rely on anonymity.
2. There are those who carry who may have some contact with unsavory characters and don’t wish for those people to know they carry/own guns nor know their address.
3. There have been several instances of asshole reporters who decided the public had a “right to know” who in their communities had CCW permits. They would compile lists of CCW holders in a state/locality and publish the information for all to see.
In one case the reporter wrote a piece critical of CCW, outed people, and compiled an online searchable database of CCW holders with their personal info. I don’t want my address, full name and the fact that I own guns posted all over the net, and especially not in a searchable database. Not only might I not want everyone and their mother knowing I carry (hence the term “concealed”) but I also don’t want folks providing criminals with a shopping list that says “these guys all have guns, here are the addresses.”
Many states now have laws that shield info on CCW holders from being part of public record. This is due largely because of the case I cited above, which occurred a few years ago in Northern Virginia.
To be honest, I could care less about CCW’s overall impact on crime. I own & carry for myself, in accordance with my rights. Public safety is a nice by-product of allowing carry, but it doesn’t really matter one way or the other as far as the exercise of my rights is concerned.
“the commenter #1 proves he brings nothing to the table once again.”
Yet we haven’t seen a single substantive thought from you on the question raised.