You have to love this new pope…
Rolling back the clock:
The St. Pius X Society is a traditionalist group whose 600 priests and 400,000 adherents represent the far right of the world’s one billion Catholics. It was founded in 1970 by a French archbishop, Marcel Lefebvre, in staunch opposition to the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council, also known as Vatican II, including its commitment to ecumenicism, the celebration of Mass in the language of the worshipers, and a greater role for laity and women.
As pope, Benedict has made reaching out to the society an important personal cause, and the Vatican views any reconciliation as an internal matter. Yet in revoking the excommunications, some say he has given another sign that he may be rolling back Vatican II reforms, though he has denied such fears in the past.
Nothing like the man one step down from GOD throwin his support behind the most radical part his church. Why anyone donates money to the church or sets foot in one these days is beyond me. How can someone actively persue their “faith” when their leader does stuff like this?
Oh wait I know, it’s called believing one thing, doing another, ignoring the rest that doesn’t fit your way of life, not caring what the leaders decide or what Jesus would really do and actually doing something about it.
shorter version, being a sheep.
It’s one of those times when you just scratch your head and say “what the heck was he thinking?”
if you know the new pope, you should be scratching your head and asking what the bishops that elected him were thinking
They were thinking the right thing.
One wonders why you are so adamantly opposed to the Pope trying to bring in a schismatic sect back into the fold.
I assume from your original that you don’t set one foot in the door or donate money to the Church, so why do you care one way or the other?
Yes Dana,
It’s a great idea to bring Holocaust-deniers back into the church, especially the ones that believe in “blood libel.” It’s great for public relations.
However, making women priests – that’s crazy talk!
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
– Richard Dawkins, “The God Delusion”
Nothing’s changed.
As a recovering Catholic I can only say that THIS “HOLY FATHER” beats anything I ever saw.
He grew up in Germany during Hitler’s reign and blatantly stated that “belonging to the Hitler Youth was mandatory” A blantant lie, I was there I did NOT belong much to the chagrin of my peers.
My advise would be :
Mr,.Ratzinger don’t go down that road, something might catch up with you. I can still hear you marching to : “Die Fahne hoch……”
UI: the “Holocaust Denier” bit is hugely overblown: it refers to one of the people being welcomed back into the Church. Naturally, a couple of liberal sites — Pandagon was one — wrote it up as though only Richard Williamson was having an excommunication lifted. The lifting of the excommunications have nothing to do with the people’s political positions.
But, you hit it on the head on one thing, when you said:
This isn’t about public relations, UI, and both Mr Viti’s original and your comment, as well as most of them that I have seen on liberal sites, are looking at the political aspects of what was a purely religious decision.
You mentioned the notion of having priestesses in the Catholic Church. that, too, is argued primarily along political and current cultural lines, and virtually no one seems to look at the theological reasoning — that the Church is bound to follow Jesus’ example, and he selected only men as the apostles — behind the Church’s position.
Dana: Because it is of this Earth and demands allegiance from its members, the Church is, by definition, a political as well as spiritual entity. To pretend otherwise is to close one’s eyes and claim blindness.
If you’re going to argue Church theology, meanwhile, you’d do well to study something beyond your Cathechism. History, for example. The early church had plenty of women taking the role we now define as “priest.”
Of course, I don’t expect a troglodyte like you to understand any of this, but I’m feeling big-hearted this morning.
When discussing made up rubbish one is completing within one’s rights to make up rubbish.
anonone – the entire first section of chapter 2 of TGD is great. Since Darwin’s 200th birthday is nearly here (as well as the 150th ani of ‘On the Origin of Species’) I thought I mention the title of Dawkins’ next book – “The Greatest Show on Earth – Evidence for evolution”. Due out in September, just in time for yours truly’s birthday!
Church is bound to follow Jesus’ example
Too funny. And the Jesus was gay part.
DG,
I am on the last chapter – fantastic book!
Church is bound to follow Jesus’ example
That’s why services are all in Aremeic.
ARE YOU F***ING KIDDING ME? DENIAL OF THE HOLOCAUST IS A “POLITICAL POSITION”? ARE YOU F***ING FOR REAL?
If you’re going to follow in Jesus’ footsteps, then you need to stop eating pork & shellfish, mixing meat & milk, wearing clothing made from two different fibers, start stoning your daughters, and start owning slaves (but only for 7 years). And Dana, are you entirely sure that Jesus only entrusted the church to men and that there were no women apostles?
the Church is bound to follow Jesus’ example, and he selected only men as the apostles
Is this where they got “Don’t ask, don’t tell?”
Also, Jesus didn’t have an abortion, so He must be against abortion.
Ugh…I’m so glad I’m disconnected from that lunatic church. As soon as I was confirmed at 16 and got my drivers’ license, I saw to it that I was far away from my church on Sundays. I was outta there!
Having liberal parents helped, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnD-Di0UGygBack to results
MJ, were you to read Acts Chapter 15, you’d understand that it was decided that Gentile converts were not bound by all of the Jewish dietary laws.
If there were female apostles, such certainly were never listed. There is a reference to a deaconess, but never to a priestess. If Jesus had wanted a female apostle, all he’d have needed to do was pick one. For whatever reasons he had, he did not.
Dana is cool with everything else, MJ.
When Ahmadinejad held his Holocaust Deniers conference, this was added to the brief that the man was dangerous and crazy.
But this Bishop simply holds an uncomfortable political view.
The hypocrisy of the fundamentalist christians in this thing is not unexpected, I guess.
Dana
“There is a reference to a deaconess, ..” Really, she must have excaped the burning as a witch”
Oh yes, we should overturn the Second Vatican Council. Great idea. Let’s go back to the days when Catholics found it necessary to “kill the Christkillers”. My own father was stabbed at the age of 6 by a bunch of Catholic kids out to kill the Christkiller. But then, 6-year-olds are totally asking for it, especially when they develop a TARDIS that transports them back to the year 30 and they personally hang Jesus on a Cross.
Of course the chief of police telling my grandparents that “you people shouldn’t start no trouble” was just a demonstration of a “different political view” too.
I’m glad this came up, because I really gotta talk to Dad about that TARDIS. He gets into too much trouble. Thank G-d Captain Jack was able to help me get away from that Dalek yesterday.
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I apologize for the ridiculous amount of Doctor Who references in the previous post. I’m cranky about my insurance company not paying for a procedure I need and am going through a great big “OH how much better would my life be if I lived in England” phase.
Dr. Who’s Rockin’ Perm.
Heh – my G-Pop watched that show on PBS back in the 70s and 80s….that and Benny Hill!
Oh, and who cares what the Pope has to say…not like it’s grounded in Reality or anything….
might as well have the highest-ranked wizard on Worlds of Warcraft tell you how to live your life.
How about the second-ranked wizard?? I personally would prefer following the teachings of Bruce Springsteen myself 🙂
even better!
El Jefe’
The Pope has a flock of many but a constituency of one.
Perhaps you reject his efforts at stopping war, hunger and violence?
I assume from your original that you don’t set one foot in the door or donate money to the Church, so why do you care one way or the other?
someone has to watch over the sheep while the shepards are raping the flock
geezer already said it, but:
are looking at the political aspects of what was a purely religious decision.
right? because the church isn’t political
You mentioned the notion of having priestesses in the Catholic Church. that, too, is argued primarily along political and current cultural lines, and virtually no one seems to look at the theological reasoning — that the Church is bound to follow Jesus’ example, and he selected only men as the apostles — behind the Church’s position.
LMAO, Oh I get it, the church does EVERYTHING Jesus does, did and would do.
LMAO, you are funny when you think you are being clever
Yes, DV. I’m sure the priests are ready to give up all their worldly possessions and begin a traveling ministry. The whole Crusades thing was all about turning the other cheek. Jesus talked much about abortion and gay marriage, right?