I was reading that exchange and I don’t think he was saying the economy on a whole as your are accusing. He was pointing out a specific industry in response to it being horrible overall. That said, though, that is parsing the shit out of the argument, which is deflective reasoning. So, on that exchange, I give you both grades of C-. You made your points, but then manipulated it to a desired outcome.
I will say what Al’s point there was about at least throwing a few token votes is right. This wait-and-see approach is awful and that…THAT is what I’d call un-American.
However, it is still a multi-party system and this shit is going to happen, like it or not. It’s not the first time any minority party made a symbolic stand like this, nor will it be the last.
I don’t understand how we’re supposed to be the intolerant ones here. Obama bent over backwards to meet with the GOP, talk with the GOP and give them some things they wanted. And they said NO. The GOP doesn’t care about bipartisanship. They are the party of Limbaugh, hoping for Obama’s failure.
The intolerance comes from figuratively putting us in a box and putting us away so it can be a unilateral process from here on out. Opposition isn’t welcome.
Look, I think the GOP handled it wrong, but sheesh, it’s getting to be that every opposing idea put here is heaped with scorn and there is no constructive voice. That said, though, yes, there are wingnuts involved from both sides and it takes a bit of skill to navigate through that mess.
Let me add something, though. It was good that Obama was willing to listen. That is lightyears better than the monkey joke that occupied that office over the last eight years. However, when that was proposed, there was that comment of willing to listen, but unlikely to change anything. Well, that just gives a non-partisan fuzzy, doesn’t it? Each side has room to get better at the bi-partisan thing.
Obama reached out for a compromise and the Republicans said Nyet.
As I said above, there was also when that meeting was proposed, there was that comment of willing to listen, but unlikely to change anything. That totally sets a bi-partisan tone, eh?
Just because a D is after their name doesn’t mean that they are Democratic. We have only to look at Thurman Adams (Mr. Desk Drawer Veto), and Joe Lieberman (McCain’s my man) to see this.
Also, I imagine that the 11 Dems in the House represents small house districts, not full states (they way that Dems in the Senate do). As such, they can be much more small-minded in their views, representing the limit views of their (potentially gerrymandered) house districts.
As far as only listening to R’s and not doing anything about it, please explain the 33% of the bill that went to tax cuts. That isn’t words, that is deeds of bi-partisanship by the Obama administration. The R’s only offer words.
Mike Castle doesn’t represent Delaware.
hit castle on the BS that is his ‘moderateness’
his vote last night shows that he is a Republican when push comes to shove, and Delaware be damned
“Anybody have any talking points?”
You sure do.
The new found intolerance here?
The new found intolerance here?
Seriously? Every Republican voted against the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2009 and you accuse us of intolerance.
Well, this call should be fun, because Al is even saying how this is not stimulus at all.
Personally, I haven’t been able to make a concrete opinion because it’s so massive. I’m a bit confused how anyone else has been able to.
Whoops…sorry DTR friends, but this trainwreck is going to be more collosal!
Smitty,
Maybe I should use Dave’s talking point about the Iraq war being good fop the economy?
I’m listening to Al and its just one wingnut after another.
I was reading that exchange and I don’t think he was saying the economy on a whole as your are accusing. He was pointing out a specific industry in response to it being horrible overall. That said, though, that is parsing the shit out of the argument, which is deflective reasoning. So, on that exchange, I give you both grades of C-. You made your points, but then manipulated it to a desired outcome.
I’m listening to Al and its just one wingnut after another.
Al is a working stiff – he has learned what pays the bills in AM talk radio.
I will say what Al’s point there was about at least throwing a few token votes is right. This wait-and-see approach is awful and that…THAT is what I’d call un-American.
However, it is still a multi-party system and this shit is going to happen, like it or not. It’s not the first time any minority party made a symbolic stand like this, nor will it be the last.
I don’t understand how we’re supposed to be the intolerant ones here. Obama bent over backwards to meet with the GOP, talk with the GOP and give them some things they wanted. And they said NO. The GOP doesn’t care about bipartisanship. They are the party of Limbaugh, hoping for Obama’s failure.
Jason… could you please the clear up the issue of exactly who blew who for the imaginary apology during your meeting with Castle? Thanks in advance.
The intolerance comes from figuratively putting us in a box and putting us away so it can be a unilateral process from here on out. Opposition isn’t welcome.
Look, I think the GOP handled it wrong, but sheesh, it’s getting to be that every opposing idea put here is heaped with scorn and there is no constructive voice. That said, though, yes, there are wingnuts involved from both sides and it takes a bit of skill to navigate through that mess.
Let me add something, though. It was good that Obama was willing to listen. That is lightyears better than the monkey joke that occupied that office over the last eight years. However, when that was proposed, there was that comment of willing to listen, but unlikely to change anything. Well, that just gives a non-partisan fuzzy, doesn’t it? Each side has room to get better at the bi-partisan thing.
every opposing idea put here is heaped with scorn and there is no constructive voice
Come one Smitty, Obama reached out for a compromise and the Republicans said Nyet.
Good job Jason. I was surprised you got a word in edgewise. It didn’t look that way in the beginning. 😉
Obama reached out for a compromise and the Republicans said Nyet.
As I said above, there was also when that meeting was proposed, there was that comment of willing to listen, but unlikely to change anything. That totally sets a bi-partisan tone, eh?
“Every Republican voted against the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2009 and you accuse us of intolerance.”
and 11 Democrats let’s not forget
LOL, JF, so voting “no” is bipartisan?
Just because a D is after their name doesn’t mean that they are Democratic. We have only to look at Thurman Adams (Mr. Desk Drawer Veto), and Joe Lieberman (McCain’s my man) to see this.
Also, I imagine that the 11 Dems in the House represents small house districts, not full states (they way that Dems in the Senate do). As such, they can be much more small-minded in their views, representing the limit views of their (potentially gerrymandered) house districts.
As far as only listening to R’s and not doing anything about it, please explain the 33% of the bill that went to tax cuts. That isn’t words, that is deeds of bi-partisanship by the Obama administration. The R’s only offer words.
and 11 Democrats let’s not forget
Please. Heath Schuler makes Tom Carper look like a Democrat.
I hope you plugged Delawareliberal!
DV, yes he did and Al did as well.