Yeah. When I bought my hybrid in 2003 there were only 3 choices. The Prius (which was butt-ugly that year), the Insight (the flying saucer thing that had a trun that wouldn’t hold my laptop) and my Civic.
The choices are better today, but I was hoping to hold out for a fuel cell vehicle. For now, I just want to keep my Civic long enough to have the first round of kinks worked out of the Chevy Volt. I drive 38 miles RT to work each day and probably never break 50mph. The Volt could get me back and forth without buying gas.
I have already been told that accommodations could be made so that I could recharge at work. Otherwise, I may consider the Ford Fusion Hybrid. Sweet little car.
I’m with UI — I want a Tesla. My Dad and I are still scheming about how to buy one to share. But my Mom won’t be amused and the idea of my Dad and I sharing a very cool car is to laugh.
akym – why? The cars that I wanted weren’t being made in America. The American car companies were telling me that they weren’t interested in my money. Fine.
All things being equal, I’d buy American. But in 2003, they weren’t equal. On set of companies wanted me to get 25mpg and the other was offering 40+. I don’t need towing capacity nor the ability to climb Pikes Peak off-road.
I agree with Geek at #9. The American car companies should’ve been making better cars if they wanted people to buy them. Isn’t that how the free market works? 😉
And Callit, my Corolla is pretty money too. Even 6 years in, I love it.
Ford and the others WERE making the cars people wanted. Their SUVs and pickup trucks sold like hotcakes. Electrics and smaller cars were the target of jokes and mockery.
But business cannot live only in the present. They failed to predict the future market for smaller alternative cars (which a ten-year old child could have predicted).
I wonder if they deliberately deferred investing in the future (i.e., blew it on dividends and shareholder bonuses) – based on an implicit or explicit guarantee of support from government?
Of the American lineup, Ford is now the top of my list, as well, which may be the biggest personal come back of all time. Per trade pundits, they have really gone very far in bringing the mechanical quality way up (so far up, that they are starting to out-rank certain Japanese brands for reliability…ever see a repair bill for a Toyota once you get to that break-down repair). Crash-test rating are very high (and tops in some categories). The CEO actually found the desperately sought-after “clue” in how to run an auto company. It came a bit late, but before they could declare “death.” Not to mention, so far, it appears they figured out how to help themselves, too (hello Chrysler, hello GM).
So, on top of them making VAST improvements to the quality of the lineup and realizing the future is not the past (hello Chrysler, hello GM)…oh, and that it’s far better to really try hard to save yourself before reaching a hand…they have earned top consideration in my view. Yes, they earned it.
Ford and the others WERE making the cars people wanted
They were making cars that some people wanted. They certainly weren’t working too hard to compete for the Toyota/Honda/Nissan (and others) market of smaller, crazily reliable cars that plenty of people wanted.
I absolutely love my Saturn. Considering GM will discontinue the brand by the end of the year, I have no idea what to do next.
I have always said I would run my car to a million miles, or until the engine rusts out of the frame, but now I have serious doubts I will be able to do that with a brand that will no longer be supported by GM in a year or two.
There are insider rumors about the brand being sold off, but if it will be sold off as parts for a new venture or part of a new brand conglomerate has yet to be finalized. Sadly Saturn as we know it will, with 80% certainty, not exist 3 years from now. My Saturn dealer has already closed and merged with other Winner dealerships.
So, I have no idea. My best bet would be to maintain this vehicle as much as humanly possible, and stretch its life as long as I can. When it finally falls apart, I will buy the most efficient, most reliable vehicle around, that I can afford, which is how I ended up with my Saturn Ion. If it is American, so be it, if it isn’t, shame on them. My cash will go elsewhere.
Yeah. When I bought my hybrid in 2003 there were only 3 choices. The Prius (which was butt-ugly that year), the Insight (the flying saucer thing that had a trun that wouldn’t hold my laptop) and my Civic.
The choices are better today, but I was hoping to hold out for a fuel cell vehicle. For now, I just want to keep my Civic long enough to have the first round of kinks worked out of the Chevy Volt. I drive 38 miles RT to work each day and probably never break 50mph. The Volt could get me back and forth without buying gas.
I have already been told that accommodations could be made so that I could recharge at work. Otherwise, I may consider the Ford Fusion Hybrid. Sweet little car.
by American you mean that the company has a CEO that is an American Citizen?
I want a Tesla. I’m waiting to win the lottery for that one.
yeah, that’s what it’d take UI.
I’m waiting for all the sweet Soros money to roll in now that I’m part of the vast left-wing conspiracy.
The odds are better on the lottery… and as I say, the lottery is a tax on people that are bad at math.
I’m with UI — I want a Tesla. My Dad and I are still scheming about how to buy one to share. But my Mom won’t be amused and the idea of my Dad and I sharing a very cool car is to laugh.
you should have been buying american all along.
akym – why? The cars that I wanted weren’t being made in America. The American car companies were telling me that they weren’t interested in my money. Fine.
All things being equal, I’d buy American. But in 2003, they weren’t equal. On set of companies wanted me to get 25mpg and the other was offering 40+. I don’t need towing capacity nor the ability to climb Pikes Peak off-road.
Obligated? Fuck that, we don;t owe anyone jack-shit. I am buying Japanese. My fiancee’s Accord is money.
I agree with Geek at #9. The American car companies should’ve been making better cars if they wanted people to buy them. Isn’t that how the free market works? 😉
And Callit, my Corolla is pretty money too. Even 6 years in, I love it.
Ford and the others WERE making the cars people wanted. Their SUVs and pickup trucks sold like hotcakes. Electrics and smaller cars were the target of jokes and mockery.
But business cannot live only in the present. They failed to predict the future market for smaller alternative cars (which a ten-year old child could have predicted).
I wonder if they deliberately deferred investing in the future (i.e., blew it on dividends and shareholder bonuses) – based on an implicit or explicit guarantee of support from government?
Of the American lineup, Ford is now the top of my list, as well, which may be the biggest personal come back of all time. Per trade pundits, they have really gone very far in bringing the mechanical quality way up (so far up, that they are starting to out-rank certain Japanese brands for reliability…ever see a repair bill for a Toyota once you get to that break-down repair). Crash-test rating are very high (and tops in some categories). The CEO actually found the desperately sought-after “clue” in how to run an auto company. It came a bit late, but before they could declare “death.” Not to mention, so far, it appears they figured out how to help themselves, too (hello Chrysler, hello GM).
So, on top of them making VAST improvements to the quality of the lineup and realizing the future is not the past (hello Chrysler, hello GM)…oh, and that it’s far better to really try hard to save yourself before reaching a hand…they have earned top consideration in my view. Yes, they earned it.
Ford and the others WERE making the cars people wanted
They were making cars that some people wanted. They certainly weren’t working too hard to compete for the Toyota/Honda/Nissan (and others) market of smaller, crazily reliable cars that plenty of people wanted.
I’d like a new Pinto, please.
I absolutely love my Saturn. Considering GM will discontinue the brand by the end of the year, I have no idea what to do next.
I have always said I would run my car to a million miles, or until the engine rusts out of the frame, but now I have serious doubts I will be able to do that with a brand that will no longer be supported by GM in a year or two.
There are insider rumors about the brand being sold off, but if it will be sold off as parts for a new venture or part of a new brand conglomerate has yet to be finalized. Sadly Saturn as we know it will, with 80% certainty, not exist 3 years from now. My Saturn dealer has already closed and merged with other Winner dealerships.
So, I have no idea. My best bet would be to maintain this vehicle as much as humanly possible, and stretch its life as long as I can. When it finally falls apart, I will buy the most efficient, most reliable vehicle around, that I can afford, which is how I ended up with my Saturn Ion. If it is American, so be it, if it isn’t, shame on them. My cash will go elsewhere.