Open Thread
Check out this awesome GOP talking points generator.
Or discuss your favorite GOP meltdown story of the week. Was it the FL Senate Charlie Crist announcement being greeted by conservative jeers? Was it the Dick Cheney kicking Powell out of the GOP? How about the “rebranding” of Dems? Maybe there are others we have not talked about yet?
These days GOP meltdown stories as easy to find as a bank on a list of Tom Carper’s donors.
It is looking like the party is real trouble. Souring poll numbers, and the fact that is out of step on a number of issues with the public is starting to take its toll. The party has now lost the confidence of the people when it comes to solutions for the economy, national security, a divisive partisan tone, and other issues. For three weeks in a row the Democrats are behind the Republicans in generic balloting.
Oh, I forgot –we Republicans are the ones with problems. Sorrrrrry.
My favorite is Dick Cheney and now daughter Liz making the rounds to defend his miserable record and accuse Obama of making us less safe.
A more self-serving individual it would be hard to find among the gang of self-serving individuals we have in DC.
The irony is that he is causing more attention to himself and the mess he has caused this nation, making it more likely that he will be investigated and hopefully prosecuted in short order. There can be few more than his 21% hard core who will support him, the rest looking at him as a kook who is responsible for doing great damage to our nation.
If he had just gone to his home on St Michaels and stayed below the radar, he may have been able to fade away as we have to focus and address the really serious messes that he left for us.
Covered that special-session rebranding, too. Stupid, juvenile, stupid, pathetic, stupid, self-serving, stupid, ego-stroking, and stupid.
Did I mention it is stupid?
OMG, so many to choose from…
I’ll have to go with Cheney kicking out Powell. It’s so hard to choose!
Most people agree with Cheney that the memos should be released. 2 out of 5 believe the President is making us less safe.
No one is kicking a hero like General Powell out of the party. VP Cheney just said that he thought that he left and would rather have Rush than Colin. Perplexing, I admit, but I don’t have to explain it.
It is looking like the party is real trouble. Souring poll numbers, and the fact that is out of step on a number of issues with the public is starting to take its toll. The party has now lost the confidence of the people when it comes to solutions for the economy, national security, a divisive partisan tone, and other issues. For three weeks in a row the Democrats are behind the Republicans in generic balloting.
That’s right its the Democrat Party that is imploding. I am so concerned.
BTW Cheney is up to 41% approval. The more he talks the more people approve. Keep him out there.
Delusional David strikes again!
David admires the fact that the Repubs vote in lock step, then castigate any individual Repub who dares show any independence. David should be encouraging independent, critical thinking, then maybe his party can get some traction.
It is really ironic that the self-proclaimed party of liberty and freedom should treat their own party members in the opposite manner. Why is this David? Can you explain it?
Not like you could source that piece of data, Delusional David.
It is really ironic that the self-proclaimed party of liberty and freedom should treat their own party members in the opposite manner.
This is an excellent point — and I would add that the self-proclaimed party of freedom and liberty never exercises either in the pursuit of real data, rather than the made up crap that we laugh at routinely.
I think that there is a great deal of independence in the party, but on some core issues a consensus is emerging. In any group, when one bucks the consensus there is push back. It doesn’t negate the person nor their membership of the group.
The Republican Party is hungry right now. It is not in a mood to play nice with dissenters. As it gains footing, that will change. The party needs a diversity of perspectives so that it doesn’t become an echo chamber when developing policy. I believe the membership knows this and it will become apparent in about a year as the party finds identity again.
That is my take, my friend.
Cass go to delaware politics (if you dare visit the right side) and you can follow the links and get a fuller review.
Next year, Republicans will allow dissent. Yes, they’ll be arguing on whether they should go far right or far, far right.
Guys, you’re missing David’s point. It doesn’t matter if they numbers he quoted are real, it only matters that they feel real. If it feels like Democrats are now less popular than Republicans then it must be true. Seriously, look at how Republicans govern. No matter what they science says, if its a cool day outside, Global Warming is bullshit. No matter what they science says, we should just keep teaching our kids abstinence only because that feels like the better way to go. No matter what the facts says, we’ll declare mission accomplished because that’s how the situation feels. I could go on, but I feel tired of typing.
Jim just read the polls beside CBS which doesn’t even know how to find Republicans to sample. (That is why they tend to predict elections so poorly.) I am confident that Democrats will believe their own star chamber. People pour out on April 15th. Rabble rousers–they don’t matter. Polling shows people don’t agree–just take a new one and don’t sample Republicans then take out an ad saying the poll couldn’t find Republicans. Calls come into Washington–call them generated. Lose off year elections–blame on Diebold or whatever the voting machine company–maybe it was apathy which allowed angry right wing types to be overrepresented.
It is really cool because I don’t have to worry that you may actually listen. I can just make a case to the surfer who happens to read.
Plenty of polls did awfully well in predicting the election. I’ll stipulate that you would need some basic statistics make that evaluation and your grasp of that is much like your grasp of science. Non-existent.
So here is an interesting poll. Pretty much showing that no one wants to be a repub.
No wonder it’s hard to find a Republican to poll…
Powell is only a Republican on his voter registration card. He hasn’t stood with Conservatives in a longtime. He has never campaigned for an R like he did Obama. He’s never come out strong on any side of anything political. He’s a classic moderate liberal. Maybe he’s only an R because Bush 41 launched his profile into the stratosphere.
Evidence: He just said this weekend that people want more governement in their lives, not less.
Supports a woman’s “right to choose” and affirmative action.
1995: “To sum up my political philosophy, I am a fiscal conservative with a social conscience. I have found my philosophy, if not my political affiliation. Neither of the two major parties fits me comfortably in its present state. Granted, politics is the art of compromise, but for now I prefer not to compromise just so I can say I belong to this or that party. I am troubled by the political passion of those on the extreme right who seem to claim divine wisdom on political as well as spiritual matters. On the other side of the spectrum, I am put off by the patronizing liberals who claim to know what is best for society but devote little thought to who will eventually pay the bills. ”
I don’t know if he ever explained why he chose to be an R, I certainly don’t get it. He never ran for anything.
This is odd: He contributed to McCain’s primary run, but doesn’t seem to have given to anyone in the 2008 general.
This guy is a total mystery to me. Rush isn’t a mystery, we all know what he stands for and he never backs down. I’d rather have a leader who I know will be the same guy tomorrow as he is today Cheney, Rush, Palin, Santorum, and Jindal fit that bill.
Wow, that’s quite an intellectual treasure trove you’ve got there, Jason Z.
Go on and kick Powell to the curb. Works for me.
Powell figured quite large on the BushCo run in 2000 with a key place on the convention speaking list as the Rs paraded every bit of the affirmative action they could find in front of the TV screens. Even worse, Powell was extraordinarily popular and widely admired then — amongst many groups of Americans. There was much common wisdom that year that thought that Powell should have been the nominee, not BushCo. Your litmus tests are the reasons why Republican Party ID is so radically low. The day you guys start thinking that you reorganize and start your comeback with Colin Powell is the day Ds have something to worry about.
Works for me, too. Powell is as much a war criminal as the rest of them.
I’d rather have a leader who I know will be the same guy tomorrow as he is today Cheney, Rush, Palin, Santorum, and Jindal fit that bill.
If only they would all run for the GOP nomination… a guy can dream can’t he?
Boy, do we need a 3rd party.
One party thinks Jesus is running things ………..
oh wait , both parties think that.
David’s quoting Rasmussen polls which are to polls as Fox News is to . . . “news”.
Powell gave up his reputation to sell Bush’s war and that’s not enough for the GOP. Amazing!
Going waaaaay back to #17
He just said this weekend that people want more governement in their lives, not less.
That would be a call of social conservatism, actually.
David, I would love to listen, only issue is you’ve given me nothing to listen to. This is the age of the internet, you can’t say “Look at any poll besides CBS” and expect that to cut it. Links are the way you prove your point. Until I see some proof, I’m going to assume the poll was so conclusive because it was taken in your head and 95% of the voices in there identify as Republican.
Actually David, only one polling firm concurs with you. Any polling wonks want to guess which one?
Here’s a link to the generic Congressional polling:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-901.html
Know what my favorite meltdown story of the week was?
The economy.
This week?
Somebody tell Clueless Tom that the economy has been melting down for about 18 months now.
Yes, the first down week on Wall St. in something like 7 weeks and bad employment numbers. Oh noes, it’s gotta be Obama’s fault!
Tom S cracks me up, but the good news is that it doesn’t take much more than Tom has (poor analytical skills, a faulty memory and a bad attitude) to rise to the top in his party of choice.