I am sort of an animal rights guy and I think Vick is despicable – but he is serving his time. This is America. I don’t see how you can prohibit someone from making a living. If a team wants to hire him and the NFL will have him back then that’s their business.
Considering him a worthless piece of shit is my business. And that’s exactly what I think of him.
NFL Commissioner Goodell has said that Vick must show ‘genuine remorse’ when he meets with the Commish to request reinstatement.
So, the Beast Who Slumbers proposes that if the Commissioner sees Vick as properly remorseful, then put a clause in the reinstatement document giving the Commissioner discretion to immediately ban Vick permanently upon the first demonstration of improper conduct.
El Somnambulo believes that cruelty to animals is not something that most people can discontinue b/c it’s evidence of a more deep-seeded sociopathy.
So, ‘bulo says let him back, but with the strongest possible sanctions staring him in the face at the first transgression.
“El Somnambulo believes that cruelty to animals is not something that most people can discontinue b/c it’s evidence of a more deep-seeded sociopathy.”
So you are saying George Bush’s new neighbors are in danger?
So you are saying people who bet on dogs at dog races are sociopaths ?
But for really, he did the crime and did the time. If he were poor and worked at Wal-Mart would you be in opposition of him returning? Now if he worked at Petco that would be a different story. Let him go on the playing field and give those who support animal rights a chance to boo him. I pretty sure this incident will dog him the rest of his life.
If he can still play football, he should be allowed to play. He’s not going to sell a lot of jerseys, but if he can win games he’ll have staying power.
I think what he did was reprehensible, but he did his time.
The NFL is a private business and its franchises can hire whomever they want. He is not in prison, and if he can make a living in the NFL, then let him.
I think capital punishment might be a little extreme.
vick may help a team, but hurt the NFL. Who wants their children seeing these people on TV as role models. Rule: Once you have been convicted of a felony, you lose your vote. You should not be able to play in the NFL either.
Pete Rose bet on baseball when he was playing and coaching (IIRC). Mike Tyson bite the ear off of Evander Holyfield during a fight. They did their crimes using their jobs. Vick’s was on the side. Of course, the NFL could feel free to ban felons from playing if they wanted. Since they haven’t chosen to, Michael Vick should still be eligible. At least he isn’t like all those guys who don’t serve time because they’re famous athletes. He got caught, he did his time.
No, Mike Tyson was a rape for this sentence I thought. The missing ear was not criminally prosecuted under this.
Good Gravy–I can’t keep track of their crimes, and their different numbers. If the public wants to pay to see them play, then that’s what they’re watching.
Just like I’ve said from day one. The market will decide.
UI,
BTW – If you were wondering, that (#28) wasn’t sexist because I’ve said the same thing to geek, nemski, DD, Donviti and El Somnambulo at different times.
BTW – If you were wondering, that (#28) wasn’t sexist because I’ve said the same thing to geek, nemski, DD, Donviti and El Somnambulo at different times.
UI – I’d like to say that the clumsy grope at the next face to face meeting was nice, but it wasn’t. Watch out.
I am pleased that MV’s parole includes community service w/animal humane societies.
Doin’ time gave him a lot of time to think about his crime. Working w/abandoned & abused animals surely will leave an impression on him.
If he successfully completes his (street) sentence, publically apologizes, and puts his money to good animal causes I would consider him ‘rehabilitated’ enough to play football….one of the most brutal ‘games’ to ‘play’.
I really think Vick could have a positive legacy if he talks to people about his experience. I would certainly be very curious to hear how he got involved in the business and why.
You’re right. Tyson was convicted of rape. After he got out of prison, he went back to the boxing ring. The ear bite came afterwards. I assume he was banned for life after that.
Should these athletes have returned to their sports:
Ron Artest: domestic violence
Latrell Sprewell: choked coach, turned down $21 million contract because “I have a family to feed” (not a crime, but really dumb)
Christian Peter: arrested eight times for various offenses such as threatening to kill a parking attendant, trespassing, public urination, refusing to comply with police, illegal possession of alcohol, failure to appear in court, and grabbing a woman by the throat. He was convicted four times. In 1993, Peter sexually assaulted Melissa DeMuth in his dorm room, and also groped Natalie Kuijvenhoven (a former Miss Nebraska) in a crowded bar and told her how she loved it in an obscenity-laced tirade. He was convicted and sentenced to 18 months probation, and was suspended for a 1993 exhibition game. Only a month before the draft, he notched his eighth conviction in seven years, this time for grabbing a woman by the throat in a Kearney, Nebraska bar. (h/t wiki) Peter played six years in the NFL.
Todd Bertuzzi: sucker punched another player from behind, then fell on top of him as he hit the ice. The other player never played again.
There are many others, but I think the point is clear. These are all athletes who continued to play after committing crimes against other people, not animals. Michael Vick is no saint, and I wouldn’t let him near my daughters, but he has done his time and has a right to make a living.
Just like any formerly incarcerated person, Michael Vick should be allowed to earn a living. The only restriction on the type of profession would be those involving his crime.
For people to say he should be required to work at the Humane Society shows how ignorant these people are.
You don’t allow child molesters to work at a school yard. You don’t allow drug dealers to work at a hospital. You don’t allow embezzlers to be bookkeepers.
My question would be what does playing football have to do with dog fighting?
So, if you are familiar with the rules governing Supervised Release, speak only when you know the rules.
I’ll say it again, since some don’t seem to “get it”: the man was behind the abuse and torture of animals. I don’t care what your “culture” has to do with it – it is despicable that he’s walking about free. For what he did, we should have already read on CNN about his last words before his execution.
Bush “…the man was behind the abuse and torture of…” POW’s “…For what he did, we should have already read on CNN about his last words before his execution.”
Mark H
“I’ll say it again, since some don’t seem to “get it”: the man was behind the abuse and torture of animals.”
I’ll say it again, since some don’t seem to “get it”: Bush was behind the abuse and torture of humans.”
When more people care about the abuse of fellow humans maybe they will consider caring about dogs! Should we not do business with China because they eat dogs.?
Just think when Vicks goes out in public people will point and say that’s the guy who abused dogs! When Bush goes out in public people will say, there’s that dog!
Michael Vick can continue to make a living outside the NFL. Many people feed themselves quite well on construction jobs. If Vick thinks that aligning himself with the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) will help his image, he doesn’t know how drastically wrong that is. The HSUS is an extremist animal right activist group. They are responsible for a great deal of anti-dog/anti-pet/anti-breeder legislation being pushed through in 34 states just this year. Despite their being considered a nonprofit group, they are primarily a lobbyist group, which should nullify their nonprofit status. The HSUS is no support for his sagging image; if he’d been more interested in actual contrition than sound bytes and spin control, Vick would have realized this.
In a way, I hope he does get allowed back into the NFL–I have visions of him being second string running back for the Detroit Lions . . .
Why is this even a question?? We hear at least once a month about some person having over 50 animals in their home some dead some alive and some just barely hanging on for dear life.
How is this any different? They don’t lose their jobs or lively hoods behind it, why should VICK??
Bernie Madoff created a scheme that affected over 20,000 accounts, that in reality affects over close to a million investors, in turn will affect well over tens of million people.
Low estimates are over $ 50 BILLION DOLLARS….
Now consider Mike Vick, a superb althlete, a NFL player. He only played for two years at Virginia Tech, without graduating with a degree, yet he had the athletic building named in his honor ” Vick Hall”.
He was given everything he wanted by rich alumi.
On the other hand, Madoff, a vetern banker of Wallstreet for over twenty -five years…and as an investment banker, he took an oath that he swore to uphold ,when dealing with the bonafide public in a fiduciary way, because of his postion and flow of information. He had a degrees and financial licenses.
Today there are millions of 60 year old professors, ceo, etc. who are bankrupt….but hold on the government ( IRS) is allowing those investors affected by Madoff crime, to be able to write off about 95% of their losses…..That means that your government is wiping over a 100 billion dollars from its “Tax Kitty”. Guess who you flip the difference…YOUR ASS!
Michael Vick made a unbearable mistake. He has lost close to 100 million and has devalued all of his future earnings…He has paid for his crime. Now let him raise his children.
The punishment of having to explain to his kids, why everyone hates him/ (them) will be enough.
I know you think that I am long winded, but MV has served his sentence…Madoff is just starting his punishment. For more reading , copy and paste the link below.
I told all you sons of bitches back when this went down that he would be back.
Bush got a second chance and he killed humans!
I’m liking this Kilroy guy more and more. 😉
I am sort of an animal rights guy and I think Vick is despicable – but he is serving his time. This is America. I don’t see how you can prohibit someone from making a living. If a team wants to hire him and the NFL will have him back then that’s their business.
Considering him a worthless piece of shit is my business. And that’s exactly what I think of him.
NFL Commissioner Goodell has said that Vick must show ‘genuine remorse’ when he meets with the Commish to request reinstatement.
So, the Beast Who Slumbers proposes that if the Commissioner sees Vick as properly remorseful, then put a clause in the reinstatement document giving the Commissioner discretion to immediately ban Vick permanently upon the first demonstration of improper conduct.
El Somnambulo believes that cruelty to animals is not something that most people can discontinue b/c it’s evidence of a more deep-seeded sociopathy.
So, ‘bulo says let him back, but with the strongest possible sanctions staring him in the face at the first transgression.
Let it be known that ‘bulo is talking about tougher standards on Vick than the NFL currently has on players who have beaten human beings.
Just saying.
“El Somnambulo believes that cruelty to animals is not something that most people can discontinue b/c it’s evidence of a more deep-seeded sociopathy.”
So you are saying George Bush’s new neighbors are in danger?
So you are saying people who bet on dogs at dog races are sociopaths ?
But for really, he did the crime and did the time. If he were poor and worked at Wal-Mart would you be in opposition of him returning? Now if he worked at Petco that would be a different story. Let him go on the playing field and give those who support animal rights a chance to boo him. I pretty sure this incident will dog him the rest of his life.
No, Vick should not be allowed back in the NFL.
For what he did, he belongs in the electric chair. Or on the lethal injection table.
If he can still play football, he should be allowed to play. He’s not going to sell a lot of jerseys, but if he can win games he’ll have staying power.
I think what he did was reprehensible, but he did his time.
Meh.
sure, why not?
he IS a fantasy football beast!
He’d sell more than this guy, UI.
Sorry, couldn’t resist. 😈
LOL, VC. He may appeal to a certain demographic.
That’s true….The loud and proud sect. 😉
The guy was funding and hosting the ABUSE of animals. Strap this guy into the chair, and lethally inject him at the same time.
Queue the Sarah McLachlan commercial…..
f’ him is what I say.
Yes, I agree he’s a very bad guy, Rich.
Only if the opposing team is comprised of 11 very hungry pit bulls.
Rich “the Butcher” Boucher
The NFL is a private business and its franchises can hire whomever they want. He is not in prison, and if he can make a living in the NFL, then let him.
I think capital punishment might be a little extreme.
Better on the field, then on the street–is Pete Rose back at bat? Will Mike Tyson be ringside?
Give Palin 50 yd. seats–then we’ll see what he’s made of.
vick may help a team, but hurt the NFL. Who wants their children seeing these people on TV as role models. Rule: Once you have been convicted of a felony, you lose your vote. You should not be able to play in the NFL either.
Rule: Once you have been convicted of a felony, you lose your vote. You should not be able to play in the NFL either.
What is jail for? To punish or to rehabilitate? He did his time. Let it go all you haters.
Prediction: Michael Vick will get to the Superbowl before Donovan McNabb.
Jason330 wrote, “Prediction: Michael Vick will get to the Superbowl before Donovan McNabb.”
Jason: Vick’s already lost on that one.
Ahem… On the bottom shelf this time.
Looking forward from today… Michael Vick will get to the Superbowl before McNabb.
Takers?
Joanne,
Pete Rose bet on baseball when he was playing and coaching (IIRC). Mike Tyson bite the ear off of Evander Holyfield during a fight. They did their crimes using their jobs. Vick’s was on the side. Of course, the NFL could feel free to ban felons from playing if they wanted. Since they haven’t chosen to, Michael Vick should still be eligible. At least he isn’t like all those guys who don’t serve time because they’re famous athletes. He got caught, he did his time.
UI,
Stop making me love you.
I like how Jason330 chastises all the haters and then adds a bit of his own hate.
Nemski,
I didn’t say El Somnambulo deserved the death penalty did I?
No, Mike Tyson was a rape for this sentence I thought. The missing ear was not criminally prosecuted under this.
Good Gravy–I can’t keep track of their crimes, and their different numbers. If the public wants to pay to see them play, then that’s what they’re watching.
JC,
Just like I’ve said from day one. The market will decide.
UI,
BTW – If you were wondering, that (#28) wasn’t sexist because I’ve said the same thing to geek, nemski, DD, Donviti and El Somnambulo at different times.
jason330, he who doth protest too much?
BTW – If you were wondering, that (#28) wasn’t sexist because I’ve said the same thing to geek, nemski, DD, Donviti and El Somnambulo at different times.
UI – I’d like to say that the clumsy grope at the next face to face meeting was nice, but it wasn’t. Watch out.
I am pleased that MV’s parole includes community service w/animal humane societies.
Doin’ time gave him a lot of time to think about his crime. Working w/abandoned & abused animals surely will leave an impression on him.
If he successfully completes his (street) sentence, publically apologizes, and puts his money to good animal causes I would consider him ‘rehabilitated’ enough to play football….one of the most brutal ‘games’ to ‘play’.
I really think Vick could have a positive legacy if he talks to people about his experience. I would certainly be very curious to hear how he got involved in the business and why.
JC,
You’re right. Tyson was convicted of rape. After he got out of prison, he went back to the boxing ring. The ear bite came afterwards. I assume he was banned for life after that.
LG,
Who’s doing the groping?
Should these athletes have returned to their sports:
Ron Artest: domestic violence
Latrell Sprewell: choked coach, turned down $21 million contract because “I have a family to feed” (not a crime, but really dumb)
Christian Peter: arrested eight times for various offenses such as threatening to kill a parking attendant, trespassing, public urination, refusing to comply with police, illegal possession of alcohol, failure to appear in court, and grabbing a woman by the throat. He was convicted four times. In 1993, Peter sexually assaulted Melissa DeMuth in his dorm room, and also groped Natalie Kuijvenhoven (a former Miss Nebraska) in a crowded bar and told her how she loved it in an obscenity-laced tirade. He was convicted and sentenced to 18 months probation, and was suspended for a 1993 exhibition game. Only a month before the draft, he notched his eighth conviction in seven years, this time for grabbing a woman by the throat in a Kearney, Nebraska bar. (h/t wiki) Peter played six years in the NFL.
Todd Bertuzzi: sucker punched another player from behind, then fell on top of him as he hit the ice. The other player never played again.
There are many others, but I think the point is clear. These are all athletes who continued to play after committing crimes against other people, not animals. Michael Vick is no saint, and I wouldn’t let him near my daughters, but he has done his time and has a right to make a living.
Just like any formerly incarcerated person, Michael Vick should be allowed to earn a living. The only restriction on the type of profession would be those involving his crime.
For people to say he should be required to work at the Humane Society shows how ignorant these people are.
You don’t allow child molesters to work at a school yard. You don’t allow drug dealers to work at a hospital. You don’t allow embezzlers to be bookkeepers.
My question would be what does playing football have to do with dog fighting?
So, if you are familiar with the rules governing Supervised Release, speak only when you know the rules.
I’ll say it again, since some don’t seem to “get it”: the man was behind the abuse and torture of animals. I don’t care what your “culture” has to do with it – it is despicable that he’s walking about free. For what he did, we should have already read on CNN about his last words before his execution.
Bush “…the man was behind the abuse and torture of…” POW’s “…For what he did, we should have already read on CNN about his last words before his execution.”
There fixed it for you
Begging your pardon re: ‘ignorant people’ MV is COURT ORDERED to perform this ‘community service’……….bite your tongue you buffoon.
Mark H
“I’ll say it again, since some don’t seem to “get it”: the man was behind the abuse and torture of animals.”
I’ll say it again, since some don’t seem to “get it”: Bush was behind the abuse and torture of humans.”
When more people care about the abuse of fellow humans maybe they will consider caring about dogs! Should we not do business with China because they eat dogs.?
Just think when Vicks goes out in public people will point and say that’s the guy who abused dogs! When Bush goes out in public people will say, there’s that dog!
So until then we pay big money to watch men become president, and we pay big money to watch men play football. Got it.
Michael Vick can continue to make a living outside the NFL. Many people feed themselves quite well on construction jobs. If Vick thinks that aligning himself with the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) will help his image, he doesn’t know how drastically wrong that is. The HSUS is an extremist animal right activist group. They are responsible for a great deal of anti-dog/anti-pet/anti-breeder legislation being pushed through in 34 states just this year. Despite their being considered a nonprofit group, they are primarily a lobbyist group, which should nullify their nonprofit status. The HSUS is no support for his sagging image; if he’d been more interested in actual contrition than sound bytes and spin control, Vick would have realized this.
In a way, I hope he does get allowed back into the NFL–I have visions of him being second string running back for the Detroit Lions . . .
Why is this even a question?? We hear at least once a month about some person having over 50 animals in their home some dead some alive and some just barely hanging on for dear life.
How is this any different? They don’t lose their jobs or lively hoods behind it, why should VICK??
Step off and let the man be.!
Read Carefully,
Bernie Madoff created a scheme that affected over 20,000 accounts, that in reality affects over close to a million investors, in turn will affect well over tens of million people.
Low estimates are over $ 50 BILLION DOLLARS….
Now consider Mike Vick, a superb althlete, a NFL player. He only played for two years at Virginia Tech, without graduating with a degree, yet he had the athletic building named in his honor ” Vick Hall”.
He was given everything he wanted by rich alumi.
On the other hand, Madoff, a vetern banker of Wallstreet for over twenty -five years…and as an investment banker, he took an oath that he swore to uphold ,when dealing with the bonafide public in a fiduciary way, because of his postion and flow of information. He had a degrees and financial licenses.
Today there are millions of 60 year old professors, ceo, etc. who are bankrupt….but hold on the government ( IRS) is allowing those investors affected by Madoff crime, to be able to write off about 95% of their losses…..That means that your government is wiping over a 100 billion dollars from its “Tax Kitty”. Guess who you flip the difference…YOUR ASS!
Michael Vick made a unbearable mistake. He has lost close to 100 million and has devalued all of his future earnings…He has paid for his crime. Now let him raise his children.
The punishment of having to explain to his kids, why everyone hates him/ (them) will be enough.
I know you think that I am long winded, but MV has served his sentence…Madoff is just starting his punishment. For more reading , copy and paste the link below.
http://www.topix.com/state/ga/2009/05/there-is-a-little-michael-vick-in-every-hunter-and-fisherman-2
Good point, two. White collar criminals usually get off too easily.