Thank God …
… the right wing blogosphere was all up in arms about the DHS domestic terrorism report that indicated, among other things, that radicals might use abortion as a justification for committing acts of domestic terrorism.
For we all know anti-abortion radicals never commit acts of violence. They never kill. For obviously they are all pro-life, and thus against violence of any kind.
UPDATE: I interrupt the sarcasm to bring you breaking news. A right winger has condemned the murder of Dr. Tiller, and has some very sane and reasonable words for the terrorist right:
“Whoever murdered George Tiller has done a gravely wicked thing. The evil of this action is in no way diminished by the blood George Tiller had on his own hands. No private individual had the right to execute judgment against him. We are a nation of laws. Lawless violence breeds only more lawless violence. Rightly or wrongly, George Tilller was acquitted by a jury of his peers. “Vengeance is mine, says the Lord.” For the sake of justice and right, the perpetrator of this evil deed must be prosecuted, convicted, and punished. By word and deed, let us teach that violence against abortionists is not the answer to the violence of abortion. Every human life is precious. George Tiller’s life was precious. We do not teach the wrongness of taking human life by wrongfully taking a human life,” – Robert P. George of the National Review.
Now they will use the inevitable outcry and crackdown as further fuel for their paranoia.
Of course, you’ve blamed them since before there was even an arrest. Won’t it be interesting if it turns out to be the husband of Tiller’s mistress, the father of an underaged girl whose abuse was not reported to the police (as required by Kansas law), or even a random crazy? Will you be as forthcoming with apologies?
If that happens, RWR, of course I will apologize. But they have captured a suspect, and so far the motive is political. It is terrorism, not a crime of passion.
Meanwhile, for all the sane denunciation like Mr. George’s above, we have the insane, likt that of Operation Rescue’s Randall Terry:
I guess the word “protest” means murder now.
Go jump in a lake RWR. As long as this is about abortion you are fine with it. Fess up.
I can’t wait to hear Tom S here echoing Randall Terry’s words here that George Tiller was a mass-murderer and got what he had coming. The “pro-lfe” movement is a bunch of whack-jobs from the get go.
The moral relativism is dizzying.
Have you ever noticed how wingnut Rhymes With Right climbs out of his bunker in Seaview, TX only when his fellow wingnuts do or say something so outrageous that not even ‘our’ wingnuts, well, except for that David Anderson character, will defend them?
Can you imagine just how many liberal blogs this whacko is polluting with his hate speech? This guy is spending his time on a bleeping Delaware blog! Or maybe the hatemongers just divide up the states, and Delaware has had RWR sicced on ’em.
‘Bulo guesses that all of his assassin wannabe buddies worship the rhetorical ground he spews upon.
Or, to be more precise, RWR THINKS that right-wing nutbags worship that same ground.
Here is a beautiful story about Dr. Tiller and his service to women. He will be missed by many.
The WH statement on the murder of Dr. Tiller:
It might surprise you, but I do condemn the murder of George Tiller. On the other hand, I’m always prepared to tweak liberal hypocrites like I find here.
Oh, and since you ask, I’ve only commented on this matter four places — here, two conservative blogs, and my own. Nowhere have I defended the murder — though some who fail to recognize my effort to satirize the so-called pro-choice position might believe otherwise.
If you want to see my condemnation of the killing, feel free to take a look.
It might surprise you, but I do condemn the murder of George Tiller.
Thanks for the link. The perfunctory condemnation followed by the lengthy justification of this murder puts the lie to your above comment.
Where, exactly, do I justify Tiller’s murder? Just because I acknowledge that I feel no sadness that such an evil man is dead does not constitute an endorsement of his murder.
Would you care to provide a quote that shows me justifying the murder?
The right’s “condemnation” always seems to come after the fact. Maybe we could start focusing on the violent rhetoric that always comes before the pulling of a trigger. I’m really getting tired of the faux shock after the fact.
“I can’t wait to hear Tom S here echoing Randall Terry’s words here that George Tiller was a mass-murderer and got what he had coming.”
I don’t believe that is what Mr. Terry said.
“The right’s “condemnation” always seems to come after the fact. Maybe we could start focusing on the violent rhetoric that always comes before the pulling of a trigger. I’m really getting tired of the faux shock after the fact.”
Partisanship aside, I am fairly involved in the pro-life movement and I’ve never heard any talk of violence. That isn’t to say that there isn’t any, but I haven’t heard any. Do you know of an leaders in the pro-life movement that advocate killing abortionists?
The right’s condemnation consists of mostly attacking the victim.
Go take a flying fuck RWR. Your condemnation is a joke. Blood thristy freak.
Tom S,
Your “pro-life” movement is a bloodthirsty mob. Please don’t kill me for telling you that.
What? You want psychic condmnation of events that will potentially occur at some date in the future?
Or do you want condemnation of political speech, and perhaps its prosecution, based upon hypothetical future events?
Let’s face it — George Tiller was a despicable human being who made his money exterminating children in the womb,and some even after they were out. To say that is to “speak truth to power”, as you folks like to call it. I won’t condemn such comments, whetehr directed at Tiller or any living abortion provider.
I will, on the other hand, condemn any actual act of violence directed against them.
Partisanship aside, I am fairly involved in the pro-life movement and I’ve never heard any talk of violence.
Sure.
“Your “pro-life” movement is a bloodthirsty mob. Please don’t kill me for telling you that.”
There are around 150 million of us in this country. I think it is a little dishonest to try to say that the actions of 1 represent the whole.
“Sure.”
Well Jason, this day and age, everything recorded and whatnot, would you like to provide an example?
The rhetoric a-hole. Have you missed RWR’s comments? R Terry’s ?
What, you wanted me to provide some sort of hagiographic ode to a man who I believe, based upon the career he followed, to have been no better morally than the person who killed him?
I’ll condemn the killing, but not praise the man — or whitewash the evil that he did.
“The rhetoric a-hole. Have you missed RWR’s comments? R Terry’s ?”
I read Mr. Terry’s quote.
Did you?
Here’s Terry’s quote:
Will no one take up the challenge of proving, as jason claims, that I justify the murder of George Tiller? Jason clearly can’t, given his pathetic ad hominem attack when challenged to do so.
RWR,
Read your comments ass. You guys are some sick fucks, and this murder lays your “pro-life” movement bare.
Happy zealotry loser.
If you say so, hun.
We can’t disprove your accusations if you are not willing to believe what we say so I guess we just have to part ways.
zealot.
Well, he comments on the other thread prove you incapable of recognizing satire, not me to be a supporter of murder.
And you say that I condemned the murder and then justified it — I challenge you again to man up and prove your assertion. Or admit that you are a liar.
I read Terry’s statement — all he says is that it is too bad that the murdered doctor had no chance to get right with God before he was assassinated. He certainly has not condemned either the killing or the killer.
Satire? What a moron.
Yeah — I attempted to satirize the entire concept that one can be “pro-choice” without being “pro-abortion”. After all, would you accept the argument that being “pro-choice” on the killing of abortionists was anything other than “pro-murder”?
Sorry you aren’t bright enough to get the point, but I’m glad to have had the opportunity to explain it to you.
Andrew Sullivan reporting on Bill O’Reilly’s major assist in the disinformation campaign against Dr. Tiller.
According the Democratic Underground, the suspect posted the following on the Operation Rescue website:
I can’t believe I clicked on and read your post, RWR. Conflicted much? You’re all… I’m against the murder (because it may hurt our “cause”), but I’ll condemn him to Hell for good measure.
So what you are saying is that, two years ago, the guy posted a suggestion of non-violent protest at the church. Hardly a smoking gun (unfortunate pun NOT intended) that connects the organization, much less pro-lifers generally, to the murder.
Ummmm….he shot the guy, didn’t he? He was an Operation Rescue guy, that was his motive.
Are you sure we are talking about the same post on the same blog?
“Immoral”. “Counterproductive”. “Nothing positive”. Those are the terms that I used to describe and condemn the murder of George Tiller.
Nowhere did I mention what you refer to as “our cause”.
And interestingly enough, I did not condemn him to hell — and even expressed the hope that God’s mercy extended so far as to blot out the evil he had done.
The most recent wave of RW trolls are distractingly stupid, most recently as they make excuses for domestic terrorism.
The best strategy is to engage the guys who make important points that merit rebuttal (Art made a bumper-sticker argument yesterday that I wish I had time to answer) and ignore the lonely ducks who waddle over here to get attention.
Muslim zealot guy straps bomb to himself and kills people = terrorists
Christian zealot kills doctor = not terrorist.
“Ummmm….he shot the guy, didn’t he? He was an Operation Rescue guy, that was his motive.”
Yes, I’m sure that will be the prosecution’s opening statement.
Just about every abortionists office is protested every week and this sort of thing happens about once every ten years. Was it murder? Yes. Should we be particularly worried about the organized, mainstream, pro-life movement? Probably no more than any other political movement.
“Muslim zealot guy straps bomb to himself and kills people = terrorists
Christian zealot kills doctor = not terrorist.”
I haven’t heard anyone say that besides you.
Yeah, but it connects neither that organization, nor the pro-life movement at large, to the murder.
personally I think that the CIA should round up his family and friends and any other close associates and torture the shit out of them. They might know when the next guy is going to kill someone
I guess tom wouldn’t be worried this same scenario playing out if it was a muslim guy too. He’s even minded like that. God bless him.
I think Acorn is behind this
DelawarePolitics cut Frank Knotts loose just in time.
“Muslim zealot guy straps bomb to himself and kills people = terrorists
Christian zealot kills doctor = not terrorist.”
I haven’t heard anyone say that besides you.
so you are saying this murderer is a terrorist?
Terrorist maybe giving him a bit too much credit. We don’t yet know if this was an attempt to frighten other abortionists into a desired outcome or just to take one man’s life. We’ll only know after a trial or confession.
There can be little doubt, however, that he is a murderer.
We’ll only know after a trial or confession
Which isn’t exactly a standard you’d apply to the Muslim ones, right?
This was terrorism. An act of violence not just designed to take out someone on the other side, but to scare the heck out of other doctors and health care providers. AG Holder has put the US Marshals at the disposal of anyone or any facility needing protection right now from these terrorists.
Murder is a legal term. You can kill someone and not be a murderer.
And so, for those who believe that human rights begin at conception, it is with abortion. In this country — actually, in every country, as far as I’m aware — taking that “life” is legal, and therefore cannot be “murder.”
Likewise, if this shooter is unhinged or otherwise shows reduced capacity to understand right from wrong, he might get off with just manslaughter.
As for whether anti-abortion extremists are “terrorists” or not, consider that only a handful of doctors anywhere in the country are willing to perform abortions after the 21st week of gestation. Is the threat of being killed a deterrent? Apparently.
“Which isn’t exactly a standard you’d apply to the Muslim ones, right?”
If one Muslim man had killed one American I would have waited for a trial or a confession. Unfortunately that isn’t what happened.
“This was terrorism. An act of violence not just designed to take out someone on the other side, but to scare the heck out of other doctors and health care providers.”
It might have been and it was best to take precautions but I think you’re calling it prematurely.
And while Operation “Rescue” condemned the murder of Dr. Tiller, they said that they (OR) wanted to bring him (Dr. Tiller) to justice! For what – doing something that is legal? That’s what I call a backhanded condemnation. It’s hollow and isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.
Any group that advocates the posting of “wanted posters” for abortion providers has the blood of Dr. Tiller on their hands.
Actually, MJ, they wanted him brought to justice for a number of illegal activities that went on at Tiller’s slaughterhouse.
RWR,
You are doing a great job for the cause. From your comments here, I’d say you are about 13 months or so away from killing somebody to advance your “pro-life” agenda.
Based upon what, Jason?
And when are you going to present evidence that i justified the murder of George Tiller?
Now if I played your game, I’d suggest that your comments show you to be about two weeks from molesting a six year old boy — but then again, I don’t play your ad hominem game when confronted with an opinion that differs from my own.
“Any group that advocates the posting of “wanted posters” for abortion providers has the blood of Dr. Tiller on their hands.”
Oh come on, how many “wanted” posters of Dick Cheney and George Bush have you seen over the years? It is a common political tactic and I wouldn’t blame any of the mainstream left if, God forbid, our former president was murdered.
“You are doing a great job for the cause. From your comments here, I’d say you are about 13 months or so away from killing somebody to advance your “pro-life” agenda.”
How far away do you figure I am? Or for that matter, how far away do you figure the majority of Americans are?