Did We Say Implicit? We Meant Explicit
I got this from Daily Kos, quoting the New York Times:
The suspect in the fatal shooting of one of the nation’s only doctors to perform late-term abortions had professed an anti-government, anti-abortion philosophy in years past, some who knew him said on Monday.
Scott Roeder, 51, of Merriam, Kan., whom authorities have described as a suspect in Sunday’s fatal shooting here of George Tiller, the doctor who had been a focal point for abortion opponents for decades, was once a subscriber and occasional contributor to a newsletter, Prayer and Action News, said to Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines who runs the newsletter. Mr. Leach said he and Mr. Roeder had met once, and Mr. Roeder had described similar views to his own. Of Dr. Tiller’s death, Mr. Leach said, “To call this a crime is too simplistic,” adding, “There is Christian scripture that would support this.”
If he is to be taken at his word, Prayer and Action News is a terror cell.
Extremist right-wing religious nuts get most of the attention, and that’s disheartening. There are many good Christians, moderate, reasonable people with good hearts and good intentions. Unfortunately, they do not dominate the public platforms.
“There are many good Christians, moderate, reasonable people with good hearts and good intentions. Unfortunately, they do not dominate the public platforms.”
give or take 240 million Americans
The Delaware Liberal method:
1) Find extremists.
2) Highlight extremists.
3) Try to make it look like extremist behavior is SOP right of center.
So tiring.
“There is Christian scripture that would support this.”
Of course, if you live-and-die by the Old Testament, then you technically aren’t Christian, which makes that statement pretty effed up for a fundmentalist such as that one. Isolating it down to that statement alone, you get yet another shining example of someone disregarding their faith until they find a tiny segment that they could twist and turn until it applies to their situation. Total hypocritical, self-serving prick.
I never said all right of center people are extremists. Extremists are extremist. These people are violent and dangerous.
The problem I see is that too many people make excuses for these extremists. They must be repudiated, even if you support their cause and not their methods.
The Delaware Liberal method:
1) Find extremists…..
Riiiiight.
It is not like there is some search for extremist going on. I’d be very happy to never have to write about a Republican shooting up an abortion clinic or Unitarian Church service ever again.
But thanks to the modern GOP and cheerleaders like FSP (state sovereignty PR stunt anyone?) , you can’t swing a dead cat in this country without finding some outraged wingnut.
“I never said all right of center people are extremists.”
No. That’s the domain of the person who commented after you.
“The Delaware Liberal method:
1) Find extremists.
2) Highlight extremists.
3) Try to make it look like extremist behavior is SOP right of center. ”
You have to be kidding me. This is the formula the right has been following since the day Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves, except he flat-out claims whatever he makes up is “how liberals think.” The entire party has followed his trailblazing.
Look at the Sotomayor “issues.” Not only have conservatives fastened on two quotes, with plenty of context removed, they then quickly interpret those two remarks to make absurd claims that are easily refuted by her record.
You don’t like the formula? Change it on your side before bitching about ours.
“This is the formula the right has been following since the day Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves, except he flat-out claims whatever he makes up is “how liberals think.”
Nice to see someone finally equating Limbaugh and this site.
You can disown him all you like, he’s still the source of most of the “conservative thought” one hears from regular folks (as opposed to those actually involved in politics).
“You can disown him all you like, he’s still the source of most of the “conservative thought” one hears from regular folks (as opposed to those actually involved in politics).”
You’re right, and it’s scary. But for all their obsessive criticism, many on this site do the exact same thing Limbaugh does.
I’d say some, rather than many, but my point is that this sort of loaded “debate” is now our main form of political discourse.
…loaded “debate” is now our main form of political discourse.
Damned right! Closely related to the more wordy point I made last night (third para).
What a joke.
FSP coming around like polly anna acting like he 1) didn’t know what the GOP has been up to all these years and 2) didn’t take an active part in it.
Hilarious.
J330: The problem is that the PR industry has taught too many people the “stay on message” mantra. Politicritters, being less bright than the average American, simplified that into the “talking points” model and took it to the point of absurdity and beyond.
The Sotomayor talking points are a perfect example. It’s one thing to form a snap judgment the first day, but they’re still repeating their quick-hit nonsense about reverse racism and identity politics. These aren’t intellectual positions, they’re thought balloons — dumb ones.
The “talking points” model is dumb but potent.
I’ll admit that I use FSP’s GOP tactics against them, but prior to the rise of liberal blogging – there was a one sided war being fought.
I don’t think my use of GOP style tactics means I’m less bright (although perhaps it does). What it mean to me is that Mr. Nice Guy has left the building.
When you say GOP tactics, you, of course mean Limbaugh tactics.
The “talking points” model is dumb but potent.
Indeed. You can spot it a mile away too. Just take the nut of any point being made and google it. You can see pages and pages of right wing sites repeating exactly the same message.
Geezer’s characterization of these as dumb thought balloons is spot on — which is why they get so frustrated with the folks who just won’t buy it.
FSP wrote:
When you say GOP tactics, you, of course mean Limbaugh tactics.
No, GOP tactics such as you posting a quote containing clear and demonstrable lies about Tiller on your blog. Slandering with lies is a typical GOP tactic perfected by Rove and Limbaugh.
You don’t help your own credibility by such postings.
Limbaugh in the present day, but not always, FSP. Limbaugh is doing what Republicans have always done with one difference – He has absolutely no nuance.
Geez, you guys turned liberal into a dirty word without sneering, latched onto the term pro-life which had us scrambling for pro-choice lest we be called anti-life and turned even our tiniest criticism into a synonym for “liberals hate America.”
Talk about infuriating – it was for me! Unfortunately, all good things must end. 😉
Hmm… I guess this is what would be considered a back-handed compliment.
He has absolutely no nuance
Limbaugh would need facts before he could get to the nuance and being fact-free is largely the point of the GOP talking point madness.
True, but facts didn’t exactly stop them in the past. 😉
Oh, I don’t know.
This Lee Atwater level cravenness depends upon never being fact checked by the media and the media always writing down what you say no matter how many times you lie to them. And a willing base delighted to hear the craziest of the crazy because this is their worldview. This is the fruit of “objective” journalism and the ratings seeking stuff on cable.