People sadden me, especially Christians
Why the Health Care debate fights an uphill battle. I guess I went to a different Catholic school than many of the Catholics I know. I must have skipped school the day they told us to hate lazy, uneducated black people. I also must have skipped the day that Sister Martin Joseph told us to screw everyone that we determined weren’t worth us pissing on if they were on fire.
So let me get this straight. Its not enough that I pay for these deadbeats welfare, unemployment, food stamps, education for their children, social security but now you want me to pay for their health care too.
And by the way, how is that government run social security doing? How frightening it would be if they ran health care too.
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Nothing is free in this world. Somebody has to pay for it. If they work, then they should be able to afford it. Nobody’s arguing that healthcare should not be affordable. But it should NOT be free. Free equates to high taxes from those who bust their butts working!
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Absolutely not. In our government, they have never been able to run anything efficiently. Look at every country that has national healthcare – it does NOT work. Canadians cross the border to come here with their serious medical conditions because they cannot get adequate care in their own country. National healthcare will just bankrupt all business! I’m tired of the freeloaders in this country. it will not make us more competitive, in fact it will cripple any companies.
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Altruism is fine when you’re freeloading off of others. There are 2 tiers in the German system. Those who have the national care which sucks, and those who pay for private insurance so they can have good coverage. The German national healthcare people get poor, poor care – worse than our Medicaid patients get here!
“I don’t care if she’s pregnant and about to give birth. She can sleep in the barn. There’s some food in the manger. Now go away, freeloaders.”
LOL, A1.
Social Security is actually a very successful program that has kept a lot of retirees out of desperate poverty.
As far as funding SS goes, it’s not true that it’s a funding crisis. It pays for itself until something like 2040. As Krugman says, people try to bamboozle on SS by pretending that there’s something called social securitymedicare, basically talking about medicare’s problems like they are SS’s. Medicare does have funding problems because healthcare in the U.S. has problems.
If Jesus came back today in Delaware he would probably…
Be teaching at a high poverty school – you know, the one with the kids who drag your kids down.
Hang out on Wilmington’s East Side – you know, where all those deadbeats welfare, unemployment, food stamps people live.
Open a free clinic for the sick – I seem to remember something about Jesus being big on helping the sick.
Open a shelter that feeds and cares for the poor – again he was pretty big on helping the poor. He really didn’t hang with the rich. In fact, didn’t he say something about a rich man, a camel, and the eye of a needle?
I could go on and on, but I think you get my point.
Pandora, you live in the city. What school do your kids attend?
That’s an inappropriate question to be posed in a public forum, h. You should know better!
Many Christians get so tied up in church doctrine and cherry picking activities that they seem to forget the teachings of Jesus and the model life he is said to have lived.
I’ll answer, but thanks for the defense, Perry. Besides, I obviously hit a big ol’ nerve with h.
P.S DuPont and Concord.
Working in a high poverty school, people of the mindset of the letter writing are truly irritating. I wonder if they have ever climbed off of their high horse to meet people in desperate situations. Many of the parents I encounter are single mothers working 2-3 part time jobs to take care of their families…and none of those jobs provide healthcare. This makes life difficult for them in a variety of ways, but in no way makes them a deadbeat.
“You want to walk again? Sorry, you don’t have health insurance; we can just stop your foot from bleeding, but we can’t sew it back on. Good luck paying the bill now that you can’t work!”
Unstopable – Um…2040…that’s like a three or four years before I am entitled to receive any benefits – and it has no money. Maybe it’s not a problem for you, but so far 10% of my income for half of my life (i.e. working years) has been going into a system that pays for my parents and grandma and I will never receive any benefit in the future.
I consider that a crisis.
And isn’t medicare bankrupt in ~8 years? Didn’t I hear that stat somewhere?
If you “heard” it, Miss AO, link it.
SS is fine (assuming the economy gets no worse) until the 2040’s — meaning it will pay for itself from the funds it raises. After that, it is still taking in money adequate to pay for about 70-75% of the promised benefit, which should be an indication of how easy it is to fix SS.
Medicare is the real problem, though — it will still be taking in funds but since medical costs go up way faster than inflation AND this is covering a population that gets more health care services — the path to fixing this is not so easy or clear.
SS is probably a pretty quick fix. It’s definitely not a crisis right now. 2040 is still 30 years away.
Medicare is a bigger problem and needs a bigger fix. I’m not sure when it’s needed but it needs to be addressed sooner.
Social Security $15 trillion unfunded. Medicare $74 trillion unfunded.
Still, the futile attempts to engage religion in to public policy is a failure on your part because you reject faith when it suits you but try to embrace it when you want to sound caring.
Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ6caH-qoqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN24urTuYAw
Health Care explained.
Mike Protack
I recommend http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html for the insiders’ view of the projections for SS & Medicare.
Medicare 2017 – insolvent – WSJ and SS Trust fund exhausted in 2037.
Would you believe in Government bonds which can’t be traded or redeemed in any way?
There is no trust fund folks. Madoff would be proud of the U S Government. Madoff fooled a few thousand the U S Government is fooling millions every day.
Mike Protack
As long as people are paying their FICA taxes these plans don’t run entirely out of money — the demand becomes greater than what gets paid in. So the WSJ is quite wrong in “running out of money”. The SS Actuarial Report linked to above has more data than you can manage to get the full story. Which I’ll stipulate you aren’t interested in.
So, I should feel comforted by the fact that in order to keep going I need to be taxed an additional 16% increase over my current payroll taxes to balance it over 75 years.
Phew, sure glad we dodged the bullet there…
So, not broke, just can’t really pay all the promised benefits.
I don’t follow the logic that if government is doing such a bang-up job with medicare, we think they’ll fix it with national health care.
You think health care is expensive now? Just wait until it’s free.
People who have medicare are basically happy with the care and the price. It is subject to the same insane cost growth that your employer is working overtime to try to cover too. Your FICA taxes don’t increase much — but the cost to get health car rises faster than inflation. So either we get busy controlling costs for everybody or taxing everyone more to cover those costs.
Your real problem in this conversation is that you are duty bound as a wingnut to say NO to controlling cost growth and to saying NO to taxes to make sure the obligations are met. Which does mean that your bitching and complaining about a benefit you won’t get is wasted breath, right? If you cared about these things being available you’d be invested in thinking about a FIX rather in the mindlessless of NO.
Darn, sounds like you really need to go skeet shooting to blow off all this misdirected anger.
Fix = SS – give people the choice to opt out of getting social security benefits if they opt in to a privatized system accepting the possibly, their own risk rather than the current guarantee that they won’t get what they pay into it if they base it on whatever market they choose.
In some cases private business has helped to ease the medical burden already – i.e. minute clinics/ target clinics(MD & MN) where you don’t have to be insured, just have $40 to see a nurse, then get prescribed a $4 antibiotic, saw one last year for bronchitis on a Sunday- was better by Friday, and cost me roughly four months of my cable bill, and still less than my cell phone service.
Could ease the burden of the uninsured going to emergency rooms for everything, don’t you think?
Then there are those evil drug companies that give out free medicines to the unemployed.
I have a friend who had cancer, he was operated on within 48 hours of diagnosis. Doubt that could still occur on a nationalized health care plan, the wait list for his initial exam, then his surgery could have been the difference between stage 1 and stage 3.
I say NO if it means my friend gets to live a full life rather than die waiting. I say NO if it means his doctor can’t choose the best avenue of treatment.
But, I’m sure you can enlighten me on how I haven’t thought this through.
Anecdotes are neither data or a plan to fix much of anything so you should amuse yourself by thinking up more stories, I imagine.
And good luck selling anyone on privatized SS after living through the last year in the stock markets. But keep trying! One day you’ll have a story that will fix it all.
“the futile attempts to engage religion in to public policy is a failure on your part because you reject faith when it suits you but try to embrace it when you want to sound caring.”
Right back atcha, sport.
Great Britain is doing so well on the cancer diagnosis front, anyhow.
And, forget getting treated if you’re too old or need a joint replaced because you’re too fat.
I’m saying “no” because the proposed cure is worse than the disease.
Miss AO is a brainwashed fool. She probably also regularly mistakes “weather” for “climate”.
jason – Do you ever have anything to contribute but foolish insults ?
Yes. Jackass.
I think you meant “No, jackass.” but who am I to correct such a adept debater?
That’s right. You’ve been pwned. Now on your way loser.
You are on IT tonight, J!
For people not named farsider,
You want to know how I know Miss AO is a brainwashed fool?
For one thing she has commented here previously and revealed herself to be a brainwashed fool. Secondly, she likes our current healthcare system.
lol, you are the man. I mean who could ever turn an argument like you. Well small minds and simple insults like yours are easily ignored and forgotten, I just thought maybe you had an actual point or argument, but you trade in insults and bravado. Hope it works out for you.
You trade in having your ass handed to you.
Booh Yah! The wingnut smackdown continues!
Still nothing but insults and bravado, perhaps you are having an off night. I’ll look for signs of intelligence from you on another. There is some hope scientists say now that even fish can learn.
I’ll look for signs of intelligence from you on another.
Good luck with that.
farsider wrote:
There is some hope scientists say now that even fish can learn.
Fish can learn to hope? That is some deep stuff you’re writing about.
I wonder what scientists think fish will learn to hope for?
If I give my money voluntarily to care for the poor, it is called charity — and is a laudable thing that carries with it spiritual benefit.
If I am forced to give my money to the government to care for the poor, it is nothing less than theft — and I will resist it, not least of all because it prevents me from engaging in charity.