Comment Rescue: Deep thought
One of the anon’s that I think we all know as “anon” and is a true anon as we don’t know who the heck he/she is said this:
Comment by anon on 29 July 2009 at 11:04 pm:
Another thing all over the TV is the meme that health care is doomed
We are in the middle of a Swiftboating and haven’t recognized it yet.
It is very true, however this time there is a twist. It is operation “Confuse and Discredit”. When you have an industry that makes up 1/5 of a multi-trillion dollar GDP and that group of folks stands to lose money this is what happens. I dare say they are the next closest thing to our Military Congressional Industry Complex. It isn’t difficult to put it together. Tens of Millions of dollars flowing into Senate and Congressional coffers and presto! “We are in trouble”
Profiting off of peoples health is shameful. Telling people that don’t have health care they don’t “deserve” it is horrible. Equating those same people with lazy, shitbag, uneducated scum is even worse. I laugh every time I hear that we are a Christian Nation. MINE MINE MINE!!!!!!!!
Good point. If by “Christian” you mean greedy, uncharitable, violent bastards – we are a “Christian” nation.
The thing is, once you understand you are being Swiftboated, there are things you can do to respond.
I know Obama is smarter than me and Rahm is tougher than me. And they are playing great rope-a-dope, letting the GOP beat themselves up over Rush, birthers, etc.
I hate to second guess the winning team, but I think they need to go on the direct attack, slapping down this crap like “granny killing” and “health care bill in trouble” as soon as it pops up. If they do that then maybe the MSM narrative will start to recognize the extremism and the flat-out lies.
Good point, anon – and great call over health care being Swiftboated. I watched all the talking heads last night and thought my head would explode. It was all doom and gloom and Baucus and the Blue Dogs (except for countdown with Howard Dean).
WDEL reporting that the Senate version of the bill eliminates the public option in favor of non-profit cooperatives.
That’s true Jason. We need to all remember – the Senate Finance Committee bill is not the final bill. There are 5 bills – 2 from the Senate and 3 from the House. The SFC bill is definitely the worst one (it’s pretty much a whole lot of nothing, except it throws 10 million kids off of SCHIP).
I agree that Obama needs to get ahead of this. It was the same kind of lies that killed Clinton’s plan but Obama’s has gotten further than Clinton’s ever did. It all comes down to this – Democrats have a supposed 60 vote majority. If it fails, there is no one to blame. What is Obama doing to make sure Nelson, Landrieu, Conrad, Baucus and Bayh are not going to vote for filibuster. They don’t need to vote for the final bill.
As far as polls go – I think Democrats should ignore them. They will reflect the scare tactics and the real test will be when the plan is implemented. Once people see the plan, that will be the test. It will be popular, but there will be holes that need to be fixed.
If Obama can forcefully call out the lies within hours after they appear, then for the rest of the news cycle anyone who repeats the lie turns into “Crazy Eileen.”
I think Obama needs help. He is the biggest asset but the guy has to sleep. I don’t understand why Democrats can’t get ahead of the Republican talking points. They are out there for people to see, why not put a rapid response team together and make sure all the legislators have the responses and talking points?
Obama’s talking points are getting old and tedious; people are getting sick of his shtick. Recent polls now show that the majority of Americans are against government-run healthcare; for good reason.
The ‘Emperor’ has no clothes.
Recent polls now show that the majority of Americans are against government-run healthcare
Could you please show those polls?
pandora,
I do not think that poll exists as callerRick suggests…..there are some polls about sentiment of whether or not Obama’s plan is a good one: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124890178435291341.html
I do not nor think I should conclude that this means that majority of people are against a massive health care reform idea.
Fixing our clearly broken Health Care and public education systems are the two moral imperatives of our generation
I remember it took years for me to stop being afraid of crazy brown people that wanted to kill my family and chop off my wife’s head for wearing a belly chain and that awesome mesh t on my stoop. how is it caller rick can see through a smarter presidents BS?
No, of course he can’t show those polls, because he hasn’t seen them. He got the idea second-hand from some wingnut blog and repeated it here.
That said, there are insurance-industry sponsored push-polls out there.
(whispers) I know he can’t show the polls. 😉
The last poll I saw was the Faux News one from yesterday showing the Republicans tanking.
Somehow you miss why people are passing on the public option and it has nothing to do with the GOP.
Obama’s economy is one of risk and worry, mostly about jobs. The last thing anyone wants now is the risk of losing something (health care) to help the greater good. Altruism has limits.
The GOP is correct on the finances of the public option which is a loser of epic proportions. Look at Medicare and Medicaid for financial viability and you can see why the public option is DOA.
As for Obama getting more public, I hope he does. It will help wreck the idea. Obama is sinking fast.
Mike Protack
Republicans should be tanking, they are now the party of conspicuous vapidity.
http://tinyurl.com/5nc3e9
“Democrats have a supposed 60 vote majority. If it fails, there is no one to blame.”
Remember, we are currently stuck with Carper and 40 other Senate Republicans. Carper has never seen an insurance campaign contribution he didn’t like.
If it fails, there is someone to blame–our own Tom Carper.
We have to make sure Carper knows how we feel.
Carper’s MO is to get behind a castrated version of any progressive bill, rather than vote No.
I remember when Carper got behind a 4-year moratorium on Internet sales taxes, which passed, and he took credit for it. Thing is, the bill Carper supported was a substitute for a PERMANENT ban on Internet sales taxes.
That’s our Tom.
“That’s our Tom.”
Wrong on everything lately.