To David Anderson, this is a Man of God.
“I hope that God strikes Barack Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy and I hope it happens today,” [Baptist Pastor Steve Anderson] told MyFOXPhoenix on Sunday. To David Anderson, I suppose this is a “Christian” man.
As I said, we live in a violent world. Even a supposed Man of God, a preacher, a Christian, hopes for the death of those he opposes politically. And not just any death. A horrible painful death of brain cancer.
There is no wonder why cops are being killed. There is no wonder why random killings happen all. the. time. I mean, even a fucking priest thinks death is cool for someone he just disagrees with!!!! A fucking priest!
Like I said, there is no hope for our society. On days like this, when two unrelated stories merge together to provide reveal the true nature of our nature, I become despondent.
For some, that preacher in Arizona is a hero. For some, that thug in Georgetown is a hero.
And that is why we fail.
It will be easy and cheap for people like David to denounce the pastor AFTER the comments are made. Unfortunately David and the apologists are incapable of spotting the phoniness and vileness BEFORE it becomes too obvious to ignore.
Thats Pastor not Priest, blame this lovely on the Protestants. As a devout Atheist it’s hard not to notice Christians rarely let thier religion get in thier way when they dislike someone or something.My personnel favorite, overheard bellowed from the church behind me,”Strike Him Down, Jesus!”.Amen Brother!
Maybe he should be a guest speaker at Rev. Wright’s church.
Mary Jo Kopechne…
no wait –
Sandy Berger’s socks…
hold on a minute…
crap, my index cards are all jumbled up.
And we should thank callerRick and anon for helping DD to prove his point.
It is more important to the wingnut brigade to point to other people’s faults than to critique your own.
And none of your examples wished the President dead — although we understand that this kind of thuggery is pretty much the heart of Conservative Family Values.
And we should thank callerRick and anon for helping DD to prove his point.
*sigh*
I guess whem Jason left he took the sarcasm detector with him.
Apologies to you, anon.
It is really hard to tell the anons apart sometimes.
It is really hard to tell the anons apart sometimes.
That’s the point š
It’s all about the content. I don’t care about building a brand for myself. Also, it is not necessary to apologize to an anon š
LOL, anon, whichever anon you are.
Yes, perhaps one of the wingnuts most annoying habits is justifying their bad behavior by trying to say some Democrat somewhere did something wrong. That’s childish thinking isn’t it? Since when do you let the guys you spent years denouncing be the guideline for your behavior?
wikwox I resent the fact that you just painted all protestants with a broad brush. That’s equivalent of me saying all Republicans are ignorant, racist and stupid. While this may be true for a large sector of the right wing… I actually know a couple of smart Republicans…some of which comment here.
Not every religous person who believe in God is like that Pastor, just as not every Republican is loser.
Yes this is madness and needs to be stopped. I would never re enter a church that preaches hate like this. It is wrong. I was taught to pray for people like this and to pray for our country and the government. We are told to respect the government even if we don’t agree with all of them. That is why we are to pray for them, not for them to die, but for them to seek wisdom and have success in the job they were voted to do. The only thing I would add is that both parties have someone like this vile person. I dated a Democrat who once told me that if he had a gun and was within sight of Bush, he would kill him. This same person also delighted in sending emails when he was pissed off saying vile things and then later trying to apologize. He also didn’t find it appropriate to pray for our solders and said to me once that he hoped all the dead that returned were Republicans, and that they got what they deserved for being in the service. Needless to say he lost friends and me for I will not be with anyone that has that much hate in them. But I do still pray for him. No one, regardless of political party or anything else should hate that much. It is wrong and it does no good for anyone.
Are you really surprised? I haven’t watched fox news (or any TV news) for years, but today at the doctor’s office I sat through about 30 minutes. Wow, the hatred, the negativity, the blatent wink, wink of twisting the news. If that is a person’s only source of information, no wonder they are so angry.
Is there really a credible news source ?
No I don’t think there is a credible news source. That is why we have to be careful what we watch and how we interpret it. And that is why we shouldn’t be just taking one example and turning it into a “everyone” is the same. Like all Republicans being lumped together or all Democrats being lumped together and all religions being lumped together. There are good and bad in everything you can lump together. That is the thing we all need to see. Don’t be too quick to say all pastors are a like or all people of one religion are alike. There is always going to be a bad apple. We need to look for the positive and stop all the hatred. Hate will eat away at you and what will you become if you let that happen? Everyone of us has a choice. I choose to be different and not judge all because of a few.
He’s a Southern Baptist, don’t lump him in with the Episcopalians, Methodists, and Lutherans.
And I’ll let someone else tell us that not all Southern Baptists are alike. It sounds plausible, I figure it’s probably true, it just hasn’t been my experience thus far in life.
And Iāll let someone else tell us that not all Southern Baptists are alike. It sounds plausible, I figure itās probably true, it just hasnāt been my experience thus far in life.
Actually, X, there is one who is a frequent commenter in these parts. Well, once Southern Baptist, now Free Will Baptist, but not because of ick factor. Literally taken, “Free Will” was more appropriate to the understanding and personal acceptance.
Funny thing, there are many devoted followers in the church who believe that there is a strict doctrine to cover every minute detail in life, down to each breath that is drawn. No, that is but a misinterpretation. Yes, there is, for a lack of better term(s), a road map, but hardly one that is so detailed that you can refer to it like it were a Google search engine. There is so much room left for personal choice/freedom, yet
lemmingsfollowers have a hard time seeing that. If biblical-directed life were so codified, then there would be no possibility of any individual ever to accept God/Jesus (depending on your views, of course), for there would never be a choice! Hence: sin/redemption, it’s a choice, not an edict.So, back to the response, X, you never know where you might find one! You ever look under your shoe? š
Oh, this opinion, was of course, developed via freedom of choice.
Is “Free Will Baptist” it’s own church? Is it closer to Southern Baptists than regular Baptists?
I just can’t get past the fact that Southern Baptists split from mainstream Baptists because of slavery:
(wikipedia)
Rather than change society based on doctrine, they changed their interpretation of doctrine to suit Southern society. And they didn’t apologize for defending slavery until 1995.
I said it really explicitly over at my site:
Frankly, I donāt find this attitude to be particularly in keeping with Christianity. . . In particular, I donāt find Pastor Andersonās notion that it is proper to pray for the death of the President of the US (even one that I dislike) to be in keeping with the call to love oneās neighbor. Nor do I think that Broughtonās explication of his own position is any closer to a Christian world view. http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/291669.php
I’m curious — can you point to anyone who is a mainstream voice within conservatism or the GOP (two different entities) who has expressed any sort of support for this guy? I’m pretty hooked in with the conservative side of the blogosphere, and haven’t seen anything other than condemnation.
Now I do find a couple of things interesting here:
1) Some folks are demanding some sort of action be taken against this cretin for the content of his sermon and prayers. Doesn’t that raise some serious questions under the First Amendment as relates to both freedom of religion and freedom of speech?
2) Others are distressed that one of his congregants engaged in peaceful, legal activity that they found offensive — activity that is best compared to flagburning in terms of its expressive content and the response it gets — and want some sort of monitoring of the church and its members. Would they apply the same standard to a mosque, in this post-9/11 world — especially a mosque where some of the members had been indicted/convicted on charges related to terrorism?
3) Anon says the following — It will be easy and cheap for people like David to denounce the pastor AFTER the comments are made. Unfortunately David and the apologists are incapable of spotting the phoniness and vileness BEFORE it becomes too obvious to ignore. How are we to know about every pastor of every little storefront church in the US/world? Are we expected to condemn someone BEFORE they have said or done something out of line? And by this standard, how should one judge the congregants of a large, mainline congregation where the pastor regularly spews race-hatred, conspiracy theories, and anti-semitism — especially those who sat in the pews for a couple of decades and raised not one voice of protest?
I love President Obama and pray for his enlightenment and wisdom everyday. That all I need to care about. I am not part of the speech police. Though it is an interesting position that you would have me in if I played the game. If I condemn it, you say it is cheap and easy, if I don’t bother you say that I don’t care, and if I explain the theological differences between my point of view and his than I am an apologist. I opt not to play. I will stand on what I say and let others do the same. He is not my pastor and does not represent me.
Your puny prayers don’t stand a chance against my spells and incantations.
Is āFree Will Baptistā itās own church? Is it closer to Southern Baptists than regular Baptists?
Actually, X, it’s closer to General Baptist than it is to the more specific doctines of Southern Baptists. One of the most clarifying differences with Free Will is that you can repudiate yourself from being saved in the faith of Christ. In other words, many Southern Baptists and some other sects of Baptists (sorry, but I don’t know how they are named), as well as other Protestant lineages, believe that once you are “saved” you are always saved…kind of you became “locked in.”. I think, but not certain, that belief is the form of Calvinism within many Baptist teachings. Not so with the Free Will church. You can “fall” by choice. One of the more pleasing effects for many people when intermingling with quite a few of those from Free Will beliefs is the noted humility many have. Now, I am certainly not saying that is each and every one, there are exceptions, of course. I am saying, though, that there is a decent amount from that sect who, while wanting you to join with them, are not filled with such arrogance to think you are beneath them if you disagree or choose not to join them. All-in-all, with some exception, members tend to be tolerant. They aren’t push-overs and will stand up for what they believe, but many ultimately accept that an individual must make the choice to follow whatever path. They may want to educate you on the paths, but there is no push or coercion.