Sunday Open Thread

Filed in National by on October 18, 2009

You guys sure are chatty this weekend. Here’s a fresh thread for you.

Is the Delaware Democratic party’s website fubar-ed for you as well?

An excellent diary on anti-vaccine hysteria from Daily Kos.

Some on-line activist started a website called Republicans For Rape after
30 Republican senators (all men) voted against the Franken amendment.

The Franken amendment closes a loophole which allows defense contractors to dismiss serious crimes like rape through an arbitration clause. It doesn’t outlaw arbitration, it simply states that the U.S. government contractors can not use arbitration for crimes like rape or kidapping, only for things like contract disputes.

Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) proposed an amendment to the 2010 Defense Appropriations bill that would withhold defense contracts from companies like KBR “if they restrict their employees from taking workplace sexual assault, battery and discrimination cases to court.” Speaking on the Senate floor yesterday, Franken said:

The constitution gives everybody the right to due process of law … And today, defense contractors are using fine print in their contracts do deny women like Jamie Leigh Jones their day in court. … The victims of rape and discrimination deserve their day in court [and] Congress plainly has the constitutional power to make that happen.

Watch Franken’s speech:

On the Senate floor, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) spoke against the amendment, calling it “a political attack directed at Halliburton.” Franken responded, “This amendment does not single out a single contractor. This amendment would defund any contractor that refuses to give a victim of rape their day in court.”

29 other Republican senators agreed with Sessions.

The website features some classy Republican figures like professional anti-feminist Phyllis Schlafly:

Then, a year later, she granted an interview to a Washington University in St. Louis student newspaper, it went like this:

Could you clarify some of the statements that you made in Maine last year about martial rape?

I think that when you get married you have consented to sex. That’s what marriage is all about, I don’t know if maybe these girls missed sex ed. That doesn’t mean the husband can beat you up, we have plenty of laws against assault and battery. If there is any violence or mistreatment that can be dealt with by criminal prosecution, by divorce or in various ways. When it gets down to calling it rape though, it isn’t rape, it’s a he said-she said where it’s just too easy to lie about it.

Was the way in which your statement was portrayed correct?

Yes. Feminists, if they get tired of a husband or if they want to fight over child custody, they can make an accusation of marital rape and they want that to be there, available to them.

So you see this as more of a tool used by people to get out of marriages than as legitimate-

Yes, I certainly do.

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  1. Jason330 says:

    To be fair, she probably meant to say, “I think that when you get married – IN 1870 – you have consented to sex.”

  2. Yeah, she said this in 2007 and 2008.

  3. Just wondering now – who does a woman’s body belong to when she is an adult and not married in Schlafly’s opinion?

  4. Jason330 says:

    Jesus.

  5. nemski says:

    UI asked Just wondering now – who does a woman’s body belong to when she is an adult and not married in Schlafly’s opinion?

    Her father. Geez, that was an easy one.

  6. You’re right nemski because in the eyes of some conservatives women are really children that need to be protected from themselves.

  7. pandora says:

    An adult, unmarried woman is not a real woman because she can’t get a man.

  8. Rebecca says:

    Nemski,

    Too true and it wasn’t that long ago. When I got married, in the late 1960’s, my father took my groom aside and gave him a folder with my birth certificate, immunization records, stocks and bond certificates, and all my legal documents, because I had just changed hands. At the time, I saw nothing wrong with this. Wow how times change. Thank the goddesses.

  9. liberalgeek says:

    Damn… Times change. When I got married in the mid 90’s my Mother took my bride aside and gave all of those things to my wife. She was afraid I would lose them. Thanks Mom!

    🙂

  10. anon says:

    So maybe Michelle has Obama’s birth certificate.

  11. cassandra_m says:

    R. Crumb illustrates the Book of Genesis.

    Cannot wait for the christianist reaction to THIS one.

  12. Yes, Cass, but has it been purged of all the liberalism?

  13. anon says:

    Yes, Cass, but has it been purged of all the liberalism?

    Were you expecting the Sodomites to emerge from the city in a giant conga line dressed in drag and roast weenies and sip Bellinis over pools of burning brimstone?

  14. Cool pumpkins and here. I love the Death Star pumpkin.

  15. Brooke says:

    Axelrod is correct. And Phyllis Schafly is not. And it’s too, if not exactly nice a day at least not totally storming, to argue with anons about Dubya. But i wanted to pop in and say “hi”. Easier to build an actual deathstar than carve that pumpkin, I think. LOL.

  16. Joanne Christian says:

    Rebecca–too funny, what just seemed normal. We have the grandparents’ wedding certificate, which lists grandma’s occupation as “spinster”…mind you, she had travelled, schooled, and was gainfully employed before saying “I do” to that itinerant sheepherder! I think she was around 25-26.

  17. When my mom went to college, all the women had to apply through the Home Economics department.

  18. Joanne Christian says:

    Oh yea–and on your anti-vaccination hysteria note in regards to Swine Flu–what about the “vaccination hysteria”? You bet I want ’em for devastating diseases like polio and smallpox–but open-minded, reasonable me can ride out an inconvenient infirmity, should it hit the household. No hysteria here. Just a choice. And boy, you pharma hating posters seem to be all okey dokey I guess w/ Sebellius’s full legal immunity granted to pharma w/ this particular innocculation. Can I invoke my woman’s right to choose on this one :)?

  19. pandora says:

    Hang onto your hat, Joanne. I’m working on an H1N1 post as you type. Although, it will take me a while since I’m getting all my facts together. And I don’t recall anyone writing that they hate pharma, just that we want a level playing field. 🙂

  20. Joanne Christian says:

    Pandora sweetie, it’s not level if there is no accountability. Not one shred–full pass. Heck, I’m probably more accountable as one who administers the injection/spray!

    On another note, I’m cooking an uncooked ham today and it really smells like bacon.

    And lastly, break a leg Smitty’s wife!

  21. pandora says:

    Joanne, you’re mixing up my statements. I never implied that pharma shouldn’t be held accountable. But you, and your children, are entitled not to vaccinate. If I believed in god, I’d offer to keep you in my prayers. 😉

  22. Joanne,

    I’m not sure what your issue is with the H1N1 vaccine. It’s made the same way as the yearly seasonal flu vaccine and it was tested on more than 3000 healthy volunteers. Click on the link above for more info. As for pharma, I think like any other industry they think of profit first. They actually spend more money on advertising than on research but they do real research. I think they’ve spent too much time making “me too” drugs and blockbuster medicines.

  23. pandora says:

    Also, the vaccine is voluntary. Joanne, what is your problem with the vaccine – scientifically speaking?

  24. nemski says:

    Balloon Boy officially a hoax! Sad. (link)

  25. Joanne Christian says:

    First off–my problem is the hype–not the science. WHO has quit tracking this disease, unless there are pockets of abberrent “typical flu like symptoms”. There has not been any. Next, while I applaud the willingness of the US to dispense freely to schools, and other organizations–why the heck this bugger, and not any other flu shot? People are shelling out 25-40 bucks for the seasonal flu shot–but this one is thrown in like fortune cookies w/ your order? But again, w/ a bunch of drama and hype. I don’t like being made to feel not getting the “shot”, aligns w/ hysteria. When actually in my POV, those outside of high-risk advised populations are the hysterical ones. We are going to vomit, cough, and fever in our lives, all in good order. Our immune systems need to be trialed at times, to prep us for those greater diseases around the corner, and the ability to fight off the everyday viruses and bugs that we come in contact with–that don’t necessitate a vaccination. We can’t hermetically seal our existence, and struggles. This disease we can ride out, albeit inconveniently. And a word from science….the epidemilogical studies from polio did demonstrate direct correlation of increased chilhood outbreaks to higher socio-economic status vs. lower SES. The reason? Higher SES did not have the same target immunity–clothes were clean, water always fresh, access to antibiotics, etc., etc., etc.. Essentially, their immune systems were not up to the fight of polio, as a lower SES counterpart who had endured “teases” of immune strength either thru non-potable water, outhouse usage whatever. Big difference in diseases I know..but still in the scope of things…I think this household can weather a different flu. FYI though, my niece was hospitalized in Colorado last week w/ complications of H1N1. She has severe special needs and falls into a demographic that should avail themselves of this program. Was not available yet…and interestingly enough, the rest of the household was tested, with a negative result. All is well.
    So in conclusion…not hysterical…just not getting it.

  26. More children have died from this flu than die every year. It’s especially harmful for children.

  27. From the CDC via dkos:

    The influenza-like illness that we track with our ILInet sentinel provider system is showing higher levels of illness than we saw last week. Again, these are unprecedented levels of illness. The national average is about 6.1% of doctors visits, for purposes of influenza-like illness that’s very high at any time particularly in October. We also track mortality around the country. Through something called the pneumonia and influenza mortality survey with 122 cities. And for the first week this fall, we’re seeing that the amount of influenza and pneumonia mortality is above the epidemic threshold. All of these things may suggest it’s a very busy and difficult flu season and we are seeing very high levels of activity around the country. We are also having updates on the pediatric deaths. Unfortunately those are going up as well. There are now a total of 86 children under 18 who died from this H1N1 influenza virus, the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus. We had 11 more influenza pediatric deaths reported in week 40, which is the week that ends October 10. Ten of those are confirmed to be due to the new strain, the 2009 H1N1 strain and the 11th is probably due to that but the typing hasn’t been completed. About half of the deaths that we’ve seen in children since September 1st have been occurring in teens between the ages of 12 and 17. These are very sobering statistics, unfortunately, they are likely to increase…

    We hope that the continuing deaths in children will be as few as possible but this is a very brisk number, usually in a whole season that lasts from going to September all the way to may, you would only have about 40 or 50 deaths so in just one month’s time we’ve had that many.