An EPIC Around the Horn Friday: The Returns
Our beloved Philadelphia Phillies’ season is over after Wedneday’s tortuous loss to the hated evil Republican New York Yankees (although they do say the Yankees always win championships with a Democrat is in the White House, and from reviewing the last 40 years, that seems to be true). That allows me to finally get back to my duties here at DL, and I notice that we haven’t done an Around the Horn for some time, and that is my fault. It is not as if I took a break from posting so that I could watch the World Series, but that is just how it worked out. You are busy all day with no time to post at DL, and you go home just in time to watch the games (or go to the games, like I did Saturday and Sunday), and that leaves me with a choice between DL and sleep. And I like my dreams.
National politics consumed us over the last two weeks in the lead up to the off year elections last Tuesday in New Jersey, Virginia, the CA-10 and the NY-23 Congressional races. As I mentioned elsewhere in the comments, in the only two elections that actually were about national politics and President Obama’s agenda, the Democrats won. So that would seem to put an end to any conventional wisdom that these elections were a rebuke to the President, but our supposed liberal media, fed by Faux News and Drudge, of course tells us otherwise. It is no surprise that the GOP is gloating about their wins in Virginia and New Jersey, for that is what partisans do. When they win, they celebrate and spin. When they lose, they make excuses and spin. When I was in their shoes in 2001, I proclaimed Dem victories in Virginia and New Jersey to be the harbinger of a landslide defeat for Bush in the 2002 Midterms. Of course, I did not have a billion dollar propaganda megaphone masquerading as an impartial news outlet amplifying my spin, like the GOP has.
Locally this week, Dave Burris returned to the horror of all, and now we have the battle of the Davids for the soul of the Republican Party locally. We also the return of the evil vile right wing terrorist Frank Knotts, and the rise of Donviti. Oh yes, and the Big Dog is coming to town soon. Hide the women.
There are a number of great local Delaware blogs that cover personal stories and national politics, but some times they do not cover local Delaware politics during a particular week or weeks, which of course is the criteria for being covered in ATH. But I still want you to visit them, so here are their links:
Progressive Delmarva
The Palmer Lyceum
On Transmigration
Delaware Business Blog
Lower Slower Delaware
Redwaterlily’s Ramblings
Lily’s reaction to Fisker taking over the Boxwood plant. Other than the renovations of the plant for Fisker, she is skeptical of the economic impact long-term.
Happy Birthday to Lily!
Her reaction to the Diocese of Wilmington well timed bankruptcy.
On the other hand, Lily loves her Church’s advertisements.
Outrage over resident abuse at the Delaware Veteran’s Home in Milford.
Mike Musings
Delaware Elections Commissioner, Elaine Manlove, was featured on NPR’s All Things Considered concerning Delaware’s innovative motor voter law.
I encourage you to read Mike’s other posts on his photography in Lewes and Dover, his new growing cat, and his adventures in Foss Dining Hall.
Delmar Dustpan
Terrorism in Delmar. Not sure I would use the word Terrorism, but….
By the Numbers
Will Republicans make gains in the Delaware House of Representives in 2010 because of national political trends? They might. John finds it humorous that the Delaware Democrats hold a Jefferson Jackson Dinner, in light of the fact that Delaware has never offered a single electoral vote to either of the former Democratic Presidents.
Mourning Constitution
Brian has some very interesting thoughts on small grassroots organizations, like the SCCOR, being used and abused by larger Astroturf groups and the big establishment political parties themselves. Of course, his apathy at the relevance of our Constitution is wrong, but I will delve into that this weekend.
How the Battle of the Two Daves in Delaware is the perfect microcosm of the battle for the soul of the GOP.
Brian on his own battles of late, and how they have changed his life. I had no idea you were going through that, Brian. My best wishes.
Brian, as a Libertarian, as some ideas on cutting the projected 2010 Budget shortfall.
Brian gets some blowback from being critical of Republican Sam Wilson in Sussex County.
Kavips
Kavips welcomes former President William Jefferson Clinton to Delaware for the Democrat’s Jefferson Jackson Dinner.
Kavips reviews the Carney-Delawind loan non-scandal that the GOP tried to gin up last week.
Delaware last week was on the cutting edge of energy technology as Fisker announced the building of electric cars in our state, NRG is rumored to buy a controlling stake in Bluewater Wind, and Claymont Steel may become the manufacturer of towers off the coast of Rehoboth. Kavips offers his thoughts.
Kavips on the basic difference between the GOP and the Dems:
Because one party increases the wealth for 90% of the population, by recycling some percentage back from the top 10%, and the other party increases wealth for the remaining 10% by not allowing that recycling to occur…
Essentially that is it in a nutshell…
Crying about taxes? Here is a mathematical task for you? If all roads were toll roads, and charged you 1 dollar each way, how much would you pay if they were privatized? $5 dollars a day? So if you take 5$ times 365 days of a year and pay less than $1825 in Delaware State taxes, your taxes are already too low… and that is just for one service! Anyone who says otherwise, is trying to get out of paying his fair share… You make more, you should pay more… So quit whining.
Sussex County Angel
Nothing new this past two weeks. I wonder if she tea bagged in Washington with David Anderson.
Lt. Governor Matt Denn’s Blog
Our Lt. Governor on Fisker Day in Delaware.
Delmarva Dealings
More fiscal transparency for the General Assembly and the courts?
Cato on whether the AG Office troubles will prevent Beau Biden from running for the Senate.
Kilroy
**The Kilroy Disclaimer** Kilroy is your source for rants against the federal government’s involvement in education. He was against Bush with NCLB and now he is against Obama, and he has a special animus for the Secretary of Education, Arne Duncan. He has over 100 posts a week on his views on the topic. I cannot keep up any more. They are all about Delaware, with respect to our local school districts, but then they are not. So for now on, I will cover Kilroy’s specific local political stories, and nothing to do with education. If you want to read about education, read Kilroy.
Kilroy on the Return of Dave Burris. I cannot wait until I see his reaction to the return of Jason Scott.
Kilroy on possible budget cuts for education in the FY2011.
Delaware Way
Homeless camps in the woods throughout Delaware?
Nancy on Bonini, Cohen, Anderson and Biden
Nancy bashes Cormier for not citing The Onion as satire.
Tommywonk
The Underrated Jack Markell
The second Delaware Environmental Summit is coming.
“NRG and Delmarva Power saving Bluewater Wind.
John Carney and DelaWind.
Tom on the Fisker deal.
Resolute Determination
Lt Gov. Denn making excuses on not updating the Stimulus website?
New Castle Republican Committee is preparing for battle.
Two new charter schools for 2011?
Charlie Copeland doesn’t like the Stimulus. He would have preferred the Great Depression II. You know, the good ole days for the duPonts.
Charlie didn’t get invited to a meeting and he is upset.
Stafford says it is time for downstate commuter rail service.
< a href="http://resolutedetermination.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/lavelle-vs-copeland-or-kovach">Lavelle v. Copeland or Kovach for the House?
HGB on the AG race if Biden runs for Senate.
Delaware Libertarian
Steve shames the Diocese of Wilmington . Earlier, he was conflicted.
You must read this for the title alone: David Anderson and Hugo Chavez: Socialist Birds of a Feather.
Red Baiting and Vomit: The New Face of David Anderson’s Delaware Politics.
Steve Newton makes the papers.
Steve agrees with Jason Scott. World ends.
Delaware Politics
The Return of Frank Knotts to DP, replacing Burris, who left to start his own blog, Donviti-style.
Frank on fixing the DE GOP.
David Anderson goes teabagging and talks to Senator Carper. David, was that you holding up that Nazi sign?
Elbert wants term limits in Delaware.
Our local Sarah Palin, Christine O’Whackjob, will address the DE tea bagging convention in Dover on Saturday.
David thinks Carper has a point on the environment.
David attacks Steve Newton for being a Communist Liberal, or something. I can’t keep track of what or whom David Anderson hates anymore. It is tiring.
I wholeheartedly endorse this grassroots effort: RACE. Republicans against Castle’s Election.
Anderson praises Markell on Fisker Day.
Our own Pandora and DP’s Tennessee Walker had a little run in over Wilmington. Here is Tennessee’s response.
Delaware Liberal
Pandora takes on Tennessee Walker and lazy blogging.
Happy Birthday Mike Protack!
To Run or Not to Run, that is Beau Biden’s Question.
The 3% Vaccine Quandry
Studies show Delaware Liberal is good for you.
wRong Williams is right. World ends.
Delaware v. the Army Corps of Engineers.
Nemski on the Fisker announcement. Geek offers his congrats all around.
ING leaving Delaware in 2013?
The Fisker media round up.
Who will the Rethugs run against Carney?
Jones-Potter to run for State Treasurer.
Delaware Budget hearing dates are announced.
McDowell discussing energy with the White House??
Sometimes Celia Cohen is funny.
Between Love and Madness is the New Castle County Council.
Delaware: International Tax haven.
Castle does his master’s bidding.
“I cannot wait until I see his reaction to the return of Jason Scott.”
This wonderful news!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jason is the master and knows how to push the right buttons to spark “great” debates.
Did you say the “rise of Donviti”? Dam that’s even better news! Now DL will come out of that echo chamber and put some raw passion back it the game with Donviti and Jason.
I am not totally against Obama the president I voted for. I think he needs to slow the train down and get real about creating jobs. Pencil dick Arne Duncan is the U.S. Secretary of education given a 6 billion dollars discretionary fund to do with as he pleases. The 4.5 billion dollars Race to the Top fund would be better served going to bricks and mortar creating real jobs. 20% of the 4.5 billion = $900 million and that’s what going to administrative cost associated with Race to the Top.
As far as Fort Hood! It happened on Obama’s watch and the writing was on the wall for the quack that went on the attack. I wonder how many more sleeper are in the military?
Welcome back Jason and Donviti! DL made a good move fessing up to their erros in firing Jason and screwing Donviti or perhaps they are worried Burris being back in the game. Good move bringing back the best two DL pitchers.
Breath UI, just having some fun!
It should be pointed out that when DD said:
The Jason Scott return thing is one of those dreams.
Uh, yeah, Kilroy. I didn’t say Donviti or Jason were returning to DL. I mentioned Donviti because he has a new blog that I linked to. We here at DL wish him all the best. And yes, I want Jason back at DL, but he is enjoying his retirement from blogging too much, although he comments here often.
As for you blaming the President for the Ft. Hood Massacre…. wow.
That the Ft. Hood massacre is somehow Obama’s fault is the new wingnut talking point.
So were all acts of domestic violence committed by soldiers under Bush’s watch his fault as well? I’m having a really hard time keeping up with who to blame.
“As for you blaming the President for the Ft. Hood Massacre…. wow.”
Said it happened on Obama’s watch and I expect he’ll have some ass for this preventble tragedy and God help us if there is any more sleepers out there. The red flags were up for this guy!
“So were all acts of domestic violence committed by soldiers under Bush’s watch his fault as well?”
Domestic violence !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on this was a Muslim extremist attack! His target was american soldiers!
Kilroy, he was an American born in this country. If you are going to call it a Muslim extremist attack than I want to know why you have not condemned Christian extremist attacks over the past decade. Randolph. The UCC Kentucky killer. Timothy McVeigh. The killer of Dr. Tiller.
Sad.
can we use “the dick who murdered Dr Tiller” from now on? “the killer of Dr. Tiller” sounds like a Dr Seuss book
Comment by Delaware Dem
“If you are going to call it a Muslim extremist attack than I want to know why you have not condemned Christian extremist attacks over the past decade.”
Time will tell very soon if his action was related to being an extreme Muslim. “Christian extremist” Now there you go agian dragging George Bush in the the subject! LOL ! God did tell Bush to invade Iraq, lol
I realize the Muslim shooter was born in America and is of Jordanian decent. But dam if reports are true about his behavior prior to the shooting somebody’s ass needs to be held accountable.
Hmm… why is the guy at Ft. Hood a Muslim extremist and the guys who shot up police officers and Dr. Tiller “lone wolves?”
from an interview on NPR this morning . . .
ZWERDLING: I want to add something else about Hasan at Walter Reed. The psychiatrist I talked to today said that he was the kind of guy who the staff actually stood around in the hallway, saying: Do you think he’s a terrorist, or is he just weird? And now, apparently, Walter Reed is in a lockdown mode where they’ve been instructed – all the staff has been instructed: Do not talk to anybody about this investigation, except military people. Do not talk to the FBI, because they’re afraid, potentially, what if people decide investigating this that people missed potential warning signs about the guy? You know, this is speculation still, but�
INSKEEP: How can they not talk to the FBI?
ZWERDLING: Well, our colleague Dina Temple-Raston has heard that from the FBI, and this military officer is telling me the same thing from Walter Reed.
Regarding the “Big Dog”
Congratulations to Mr Clinton!
His Disbarment ends this month, he is now free to apply for re-admitance to the Bar and practice law.
I didn’t mean “domestic violence” like in a household. I meant acts of violence that occurred in the U.S. I was going to say “violence” but since we’re at war, violence is a given. That’s what you get for hit-and-run commenting.
Unstable Isotope:
“I didn’t mean “domestic violence” like in a household. I meant acts of violence that occurred in the U.S.”
So when the World Trade Centers were bombed during the Clinton administration it was domestic but when under Bush is was a foreseeable terrorist attack holding Bush accountable.
This event was a sad day for this country and a clear message the war is taking its toll! The Vietnam War had it’s Kent State where the National Guard turned on students and that event set the final stage for the end of the war. I hope to hell with this solider turning on solider the message is clear it is time to end this bullshit. I doubt it was an act of terrorism and more of angry rage against war. But I do feel there is underlying sympathy for the radical Muslim war against America. He attacked Americans not Muslims. Why ? Don’t you think he should be mad at them for start this war attacking “his” country? I honeslty feel it’s more than straight up domestic but doubt very much he was tied to any terrorist group.
“That’s what you get for hit-and-run commenting.”
Sorry for the late response had to eat dinner, LOL.
Domestic means it happened here.
I’ve been drinking, Kilroy, but your comment is not making much sense to me.
What a distortion, who attacked Steve Newton and called him anything but someone respectable? Do you guys just make this stuff up? Does I love Steve Newton equal I hate him in your world? I am sorry but sometimes you get whacked out smoking your talking points.
As for signs, I guess that is some sort of sick joke? Normally, I would be offended, but you guys are so far out that I can’t bother. I have had too rough of a day. I found out that I lost two friend, two of my fellow soldiers. We can save that for another day. I will just say follow the links folks if something seems weird.
Thanks for bringing back Around the Horn. It is what I enjoy most about DL. It takes a lot of work and I usually appreciate it. Especially when you don’t mischaracterize a post.
Kilroy, are you suggesting Kent State was “the National Guard turning on students” in some analogous way to this major fragging onlookers at a deployment center?
Comment by Brooke
“Kilroy, are you suggesting Kent State was “the National Guard turning on students” in some analogous way to this major fragging onlookers at a deployment center?”
Didn’t mean for it to come out that way but I guess each event reflects protest and the end result is death. Kent State perhaps represents society going head to head with the government and Fort Hood an implosion from within. Each represents protest to war that appears to be driven by politics. One Vietnam to stop the spread of communism and the other Afghanistan terror. The toll on America is hard as scars from one war aren’t quite healed and the next war just feeds dispair. When do we get to enjoy the fruits of our freedom? Of course Fort Hood is not Obama fault however, it must carry a burden when he lays down to sleep. Base security is hell and within the last year I visited APG and DAF both are tight. Lets “pray” this quack that went on attack wasn’t working with terrorist group’ Life on military bases from this day forward will never be the same and we often forget many sevice member families live in base housing and now they must live in the same fear as we do on the outside. Sucks!
Comment by Unstable Isotope
“I’ve been drinking, Kilroy, but your comment is not making much sense to me.”
Do you have green eyes?
Well, that’s utter nonsense. The shootings at Kent State were in a context of civil unrest. There had already been vandalism and arson when the protest convened. The guardsmen were supposed to be under orders.
The Ft Hood shooting was a “workplace” incident. Whether he objected to the war “on principle”, had an issue with his deployment, or felt oppressed by anti-Muslim prejudice, or, none of the above, we don’t know yet, but he opened fire on unarmed brother soldiers and civilians. I trust that he will survive to stand court martial and face the consequences of his behavior.
When do we enjoy the fruits of our freedom? Always. I enjoy it in being able to discuss these things here, as do you. As for life on military bases… there have always been violent incidents on military bases, as in other neighborhoods. That hasn’t changed.
America has been at war for all of my lifetime… maybe for all its history. It’s convenient for us to ignore that, if we don’t happen to be from military families, but those who serve know.
Our prayers are with them, as always.
Comment by Brooke:
“Well, that’s utter nonsense. The shootings at Kent State were in a context of civil unrest. There had already been vandalism and arson when the protest convened. The guardsmen were supposed to be under orders.”
So you are saying these students were killed and wounded because they committed these crimes? They were on campus not at the scene of any crime.
Killed (and approximate distance from the National Guard):
Jeffrey Glenn Miller; 20, 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth – killed instantly
Allison B. Krause; 19, 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound
William Knox Schroeder; 19, 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound
Sandra Lee Scheuer; 20, 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound
Wounded (and approximate distance from the National Guard):
Joseph Lewis Jr. 71 ft (22 m); hit twice in the right abdomen and left lower leg
John R. Cleary 110 ft (34 m); upper left chest wound
Thomas Mark Grace 225 ft (69 m); struck in left ankle
Alan Michael Canfora 225 ft (69 m); hit in his right wrist
Dean R. Kahler 300 ft (91 m); back wound fracturing the vertebrae – permanently paralyzed from the chest down
Douglas Alan Wrentmore 329 ft (100 m); hit in his right knee
James Dennis Russell 375 ft (114 m); hit in his right thigh from a bullet and in the right forehead by birdshot – both wounds minor (died 2007)
Robert Follis Stamps 495 ft (151 m); hit in his right buttock (died June 11, 2008)
Donald Scott MacKenzie 750 ft (230 m); neck wound
“During a press conference, Governor Rhodes called the protesters un-American and referred to the protesters as revolutionaries set on destroying higher education in Ohio. “They’re worse than the brown shirts and the communist element and also the night riders and the vigilantes,” Rhodes said. “They’re the worst type of people that we harbor in America. I think that we’re up against the strongest, well-trained, militant, revolutionary group that has ever assembled in America.”
“Rhodes also claimed he would obtain a court order declaring a state of emergency, banning further demonstrations, and gave the impression that a situation akin to martial law had been declared; however he never attempted to obtain such an order.”
Comment by Brooke
“but he opened fire on unarmed brother soldiers and civilians. ”
Let’s not forget the sisters! A young female soldier 6 weeks pregnant who just returned from the war zone.
“I trust that he will survive to stand court martial and face the consequences of his behavior.”
He’ll plead insanity and
“America has been at war for all of my lifetime… maybe for all its history.”
Pretty much so and thank God we’re a peace loving nation.
So are Tea Baggers fair game ?
“Our prayers are with them, as always.”
Yes they are and the sad part all too often.
I agree with Brooke that from what we’re learning (and we should be careful not to draw too many conclusions yet) that this incident has the hallmarks of an incident of workplace violence. From what we know the shooter was:
– a loner and had few friends
– had incidents with co-workers and had been reported several times before
– had trouble relating with women
– may have experienced harassment
– had some recent stressful incidents – he had recently been transferred to Ft. Hood from the area he had lived in all his life and was about to be deployed to Iraq to fight in a war he didn’t support
– religious fundamentalism
This was a horrifying incident and I hope all army bases rethink the way they do security. I think Kilroy’s right that it will weigh on President Obama’s mind. As far as fault goes I ultimately believe that everyone is responsible for their own behavior. It sounds like there were definite warning signs in behavior for the shooter (much easier to see in hindsight).
Yes, Obama is responsible for the attack at Ft Hood. He has wrecked the economy, weakened our foreign policy and now he is working on the military.
Hard to believe the sorry President had not visited Walter Reed till yesterday. I guess fundraisers, shooting hoops and playing golf get. in the way.
The record deaths in Afghanistan last month must be Bush’s fault?
Mike Protack
You don’t have to be a psychologist to see that Protack is on the fast track to a complete mental breakdown.
“It sounds like there were definite warning signs in behavior for the shooter (much easier to see in hindsight).”
I agree and I pray this was an individual act not assoicated with a terrorist group. He had a choice to enlist and even resign his commission.
Mike Protack
“Yes, Obama is responsible for the attack at Ft Hood. He has wrecked the economy, weakened our foreign policy and now he is working on the military.”
Mike when I become U.S. Congressman defeating John Carney I’ll be glad to sit down with you and address some of your concerns. But for now can you tell me where I can get some colored postcards? LOL
Hope to see you tonight wingnut, LOL.
Brooke thanks for the inspiration for my new post http://kilroysdelaware.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/taking-of-bodies-and-minds-from-our-colleges-and-universities/
I hope he wasn’t associated with a terrorist group, either. He does seem like the type of disaffected individual who could be targeted by that sort of group.
Kilroy,
He was trying to resign from the military and had been trying for years, according to his family. He had offered to pay back his medical school. I don’t think we know the whole story there yet.
“He was trying to resign from the military and had been trying for years”
Not sure what his enlistment contract called for but I don’t think it was over six years. I know the military just don’t let folks out just because they want out. Surely his case was reviewed.
For sure the story will be told and I’ll bet no terrorist group assoication.
Yes, we’ll have to wait and see what the investigation digs up I think. I think it’s completely possible that Hasan was not truthful with his family since he hadn’t told them he was being deployed to Iraq either.
What do you suppose that list of the killed and wounded would prove? That your Google works?
No, actually, THIS: ““During a press conference, Governor Rhodes called the protesters un-American and referred to the protesters as revolutionaries set on destroying higher education in Ohio. “They’re worse than the brown shirts and the communist element and also the night riders and the vigilantes,” Rhodes said. “They’re the worst type of people that we harbor in America. I think that we’re up against the strongest, well-trained, militant, revolutionary group that has ever assembled in America.”
“Rhodes also claimed he would obtain a court order declaring a state of emergency, banning further demonstrations, and gave the impression that a situation akin to martial law had been declared; however he never attempted to obtain such an order.”
is the evidence supporting THIS: “The shootings at Kent State were in a context of civil unrest. There had already been vandalism and arson when the protest convened. The guardsmen were supposed to be under orders.”
In the case of Kent State, the National Guard were sent to quell dissent, and had been talked into seeing campus kids as an armed and dangerous enemy. It was the GOVERNMENT holding the weapons.
You can’t see this as a comment on war, for exactly the reason you cite, that the kids targeted weren’t even attending the protest, mostly.
In the case at Fort Hood, an individual shot up his workplace. Another one did in Orlando, if no one has noticed. 🙁 Was he also saying something about war?
Sloppy thinking. I hate that.
Could someone explain to me how Kilroy went from this:
To this:
… in less than 24 hours?
The murderous coward had bought his schooling by cutting a deal with the military. They paid for his education and he had to work for the them. I know a guy who joined the military and got a few years into an engineering degree before deciding that it wasn’t for him. They let him out of his contract but he owed them every penny that his education cost them. This guy wanted out.
If the military had just cut him loose and told him that he owed them the balance of the cost of his education then we’d not have seen this horrible outcome.
He was tortured by his work and the conflicts with his religion not to mention that he was seriously unstable.
The military can be one hell of a fucked up entity.
This guy should have been handled long ago.
Pandora?
Blood sugar. 😉
You don’t have to be a psychologist to see that Protack is on the fast track to a complete mental breakdown.
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you know, when I first heard that the DE GOP might run Protack for a county council seat I thought it might work. But this shit he spews shows me that he’s a fool and a blowhard and we don’t need him anywhere near a body politic.
Some interesting correlations:
http://exiledonline.com/fort-hood-massacre-a-brief-history-of-american-violence/
For starters, Fort Hood is located in Killeen, Texas — where one of the deadliest rampage shootings in American history took place in 1991, when an unemployed ex-Navy enlistee, George Hennard Jr., crashed his pickup into a popular cafeteria, pulled out two handguns (Hasan also used two handguns), and murdered 23 people before taking his own life. The day before the massacre, Hennard was eating a hamburger in a local restaurant watching the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings and, according to the manager, “When an interview with Anita Hill came on, he just went off. He started screaming, ‘You dumb bitch! You bastards opened the door for all the women!’”
So yesterday’s Fort Hood shooting isn’t the worst or most deranged mass-killing in Killeen’s history — not by a longshot. The mainstream media is enabling the screaming about the Muslim traitors in our midst, but Hasan killed far fewer Americans than the white, racist George Hennard. And they were bested by the federal government in nearby Waco Texas, in 1993, when federal forces slaughtered some 75 men, women and children in the Branch Davidian compound.
But in what may seem like a strange coincidence, Maj. Hasan and Killeen are connected to another American shooting rampage. Killeen held the record for America’s worst shooting massacre until 2007, when Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 33 fellow students. And Malik Nadal Hasan graduated from Virginia Tech in 1997. Both Hasan and Cho were bullied and harassed – Hasan’s cousin told reporters that after 9/11, his military comrades regularly abused him, calling him “camel jockey.” But the cousin insisted that Hasan’s opposition to the war didn’t grow out of the bullying, but rather from the stories he heard while interning as a psychiatric counselor to veterans from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Brooke wins, Kent State students were not protesting the war in Vietnam and Nixon’s decision to move into Cambodia.
Hey Nancy weren’t you alive back then? LOL!
FYI, Will you be attending the SAR lecture on the 14th?
Kilroy, if it’s not a reading comprehension issue, I can help you out. Direct from activist survivor Alan Canfora :
“A total of 67 gunshots were fired by the guardsmen from the hilltop. Most of the bullets were fired over 300 feet into the distant Prentice Hall parking lot. Two of the students killed, Allison Krause and Jeff Miller, were protesters. Two others, Sandy Scheuer and Bill Schroeder were bystanders. Jeff was killed 275 feet away from his killer. Allison was 350 feet away. Sandy and Bill were approximately 390 feet away.
Nine others, including myself, were wounded. Dean Kahler remains in a wheelchair after he was shot in the back.”
The kids who were SHOT were not necessarily protesting. They were sniper targets. We’ll probably never know why they were, individually, targeted, because, in my opinion, justice was entirely delayed on this, as a result of government pressure. The shooters were not held accountable.
It’s a sad piece of our history…as was the following shooting at Jackson State. And it’s a miserable, FAIL as a parallel to the shootings at Ft. Hood.
“It’s a sad piece of our history…as was the following shooting at Jackson State. And it’s a miserable, FAIL as a parallel to the shootings at Ft. Hood.”
One thing for sure our history holds many sad events. No sure how old you are but me I remember when JFK was killed and all the events from there on. Prior to that when the government told you to duck and cover in the event of a nuclear war you believed them.
I see you point re: Ft Hood as it was a man angry at the military due his personal situation and time will tell if any other war protest was motivations. As I stated, I doubt he was assoicated with a terrorist group and if he was I am sure the event would have been worst!
“The kids who were SHOT were not necessarily protesting” I get your point but for sure the events the civil unrest was related to protesting the war.
So let’s not talk about Abbie Hoffman, LOL !
Hey Kilroy, yes, I am going to have to hunt down Ralph Nelson and buy a luncheon ticket but I wouldn’t miss it for the world.
I had the presenter, Mike Gallagher, in the Newark Library reference room for hours showing him all the best reading, citations, maps and where the best files are hidden!! I can’t wait to see what he has done with the information.
Nancy Willing
“I wouldn’t miss it for the world.”
Great I’ll see you there! Bring Brooke with you and we can talk about the domestic violence call the American Revolution led by America’s number one terrorist George Washington, LOL ! Just joking Brooke.
pandora,
I think he must have cut down on the coffee or something.
He’s flippin’ all over the map, UI. It makes my head spin.
I went over and had a short conversation with DB. Emphasis short. Don’t get what y’all see in this, guys.