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If you read our illustrious rivals over at Delaware Politics, or really any conservative blog or any “reporter” on Fox “News,” you are led to believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans are Teabaggers. And I am not even talking about a 50 + 1 majority, I am talking about the “constitutional” majority of over 60% or more. However, a Republican polling outfit called the Winston Group is out with some poll results that should, but won’t, change that narrative.
Only 17% of Americans consider themselves members of the “Tea Party” movement. Of that 17%, 60% are Republicans, 28% are independents, 13% are Democrats, 66% are conservatives, 26% are moderate and 8% are liberal (these supposed liberals must be the members of the site Hillary is 44 or something or firebaggers). Tebaggers are also overwhelmingly male (56%), old, and white. They are also confused. Because while 36% name the economy and jobs as their top issue, 21% say the deficit and spending are their top issue, and when asked to chose between spending money to create jobs versus balancing the budget, the Teabaggers chose creating jobs by a whopping 63% to 32% margin. So why are they all out there crying about spending and deficits when they themselves are interested blowing up the budget to create jobs.
We all know why, and it has nothing to do with spending and deficits.
17%.
In other words, if we had a parliamentary democracy like the United Kingdom, the Teabaggers would be no more powerful than the Liberal Democrats over there, and in case you are ignorant of UK politics, the third party Lib Dems are often treated with scorn and derision in the press and by the dominant two parties: Labor and the Conservatives. But in America, 17% controls all. 17% is a supermajority. The 83% must cater to what the 17% demands, or else we are threatened with violence or worse.
17%.. isn’t that the same number that admit to being liberals?
Nearly…
Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological GroupCompared with 2008, more Americans “conservative” in general, and on issuesby Lydia SaadPRINCETON, NJ — Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group.
Golly, just three more % and they’ll match the 20% of Americans who describe themselves as liberal.
Let me fix that for you liberals:
“20% controls all. 20% is a supermajority. The 80% must cater to what the 20% [dictates from Obamaworld], or else we are treated to actual violence or worse.” [See also liberal labor thugs crashing tea party rallies for more on that.]
17% for the tea partiers don’t make it 83% for opponents of the tea parties, fuckwit.
Just like your UK example, if we were a parliamentary democracy your 20% liberalism should have as much impact as your UK Liberal Democrats.
Unfortunately your control freak powermongering ways can’t abide real consensus if it means you don’t get your way.
You’re reduced to asininery like 80% of one party is enough of a mandate for your sorry asses to herd the sheeple into your eternal welfare
pogromsprograms.[Ditto P. Schwartz.]
You say liberals control all? What reality are you living in, idiots? If liberals control all, the health care reform we just passed would be single payer.
Yes it does. Or else those 83% would be teabaggers, fuckwit. That 83%, for some reason, oppose the teabaggers enough to not consider themselves to be teabaggers.
Delaware Dem ‘logic’: anyone who doesn’t actively resist the kool-aid WANTS the kool-aid AND hates anyone who resists the kool-aid.
But you’ll make sure we all get it anyway wontcha there Reverend Round Em Up and Shoot Em All??
How may I subscribe to the “You’re Either With Us or You’re Against Us” newsletter?
Nonny Logic: everyone who opposes the 17% still agrees with the 17%.
This lovely discourse reminds me of Monty Python’s Argument Sketch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argument_Sketch). Nonny and others clearly have confused arguments with contradictions. Wrong room, guys/gals!
according to Gallup, Tea Partiers (28%) outnumber liberals (20%)…
Tea Partiers Are Fairly Mainstream in Their Demographics – Skew right politically, but have…
gallup.com ^ | April 5, 2010 | Lydia Saad
Skew right politically, but have typical profile by age, education, and employment
PRINCETON, NJ — Tea Party supporters skew right politically; but demographically, they are generally representative of the public at large. That’s the finding of a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted March 26-28, in which 28% of U.S. adults call themselves supporters of the Tea Party movement.
“Skew right?” Try overwhelmingly right. The Republican party approval is 71% in the tea parties, more than 3x the approval rating in the nation overall. It’s the Republican base, basically.
also acording to Gallup, the Tea Party is 79% white, while the US pop is 75% white… not exactly fitting the moonbat stereotype of a pale monolith.
the Tea Party is 79% white
So where are all the black folks at these rallies – parking the bus?
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/tea-party-movement-is-politically-mainstream-not-so-much/
Tea Party Movement Is Politically Mainstream? Not So Much.
In recent days there’s been a big push underway on the right to define the Tea Party momement as politically “mainstream” and “bipartisan.” But new Gallup polling out this morning should demolish this claim once and for all. It should, but of course it won’t.
Folks pushing the idea that the Tea Party is mainstream and bipartisan are seizing on this headline from The Hill over the weekend:
Survey: Four in 10 Tea Party members are Dems or independents
Turns out, though, that this story is about a poll released last week by a Republican-leaning firm that found 57% of Tea Partiers are self-identified Republicans, 28% are independent and 13% are Dems. So yeah, 41% are either indy or Dem, with Dems making up a small majority of that group.
But a total of 85% are either Republican or independent. Given that experts say the ranks of independents are swollen these days with defectors from the GOP, these numbers suggest the Tea Party crowd tilts overwhelmingly to the right.
The new Gallup poll illustrates this even more starkly. The 28% of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters break down this way:
* Forty-nine percent of Tea Party supporters are Republicans, 43% are independents, and only eight percent are Dems. That means a huge majority — 92% — are Republicans or indys, and again, many of those indys could be former Republicans or lean GOP anyway.
* Seventy percent of Tea Party supporters say they’re conservative, and only 22% say they’re moderate. And who knows what they even mean by that word to begin with.
* A whopping 79% of Tea Party supporters are non-hispanic whites. Only 65% of Americans were non-hispanic whites as of 2008.
* Fifty-five percent of Tea Party supporters make over $50,000 a year.
It’s true that Gallup does conclude that the Tea Party movement is mainstream — in terms of some demographics. That’s already led to some crowing on the right. But in political terms, the simple facts are unescapable: The Tea Party movement is relatively well off, tilts Republican, and is overwhelmingly white and conservative.
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Update: One other quick point: This doesn’t even take into account the possibility that some of these independents supporting the Tea Party movement do so because they view the GOP as too far to the left.
The short answer, though, is that there is no way that the Gallup results allow for the tea party movement to be depicted as anything but mainstream in American political life — unless, of course, you wish to accept the notion that liberalism is even more of a discredited fringe movement that is out of touch with the American people (actually, that is the case).
No, that would be the wrong answer, not the short answer. If you want to peddle shit-for-brains pronouncements as valid analysis, you should go to right-wing sites. You’ll fit right in. Here, you’re just ol’ shit-for-brains.
In other words, you have no logical response, and would prefer to sling insults instead.
Why do you right-wingers always think we come here just to argue with right-wingers? I’m not interested in debate, argument, whatever you want to call it. You do not have an open mind. It is pointless to argue with people whose minds are made up. It is especially so when the people doing “analysis” of some news item have trouble even reading the data.
Timefortruth posted an analysis that runs counter to yours. You simply ignored it, as is virtually always the case — you’ll answer the points only if you think you can win the argument.
I don’t prefer to sling insults — but I will until you go away. You’re not wanted here. You have nothing to offer — or, if you prefer the short answer, you’re still ol’ shit for brains.
Those interested in actual analysis of the results of this sloppily worded poll can find one by Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com