mr prediction…. republicans scream about Obama wanting to kill medicare and how we have to keep it the way it is. old people are dumb, they wont remember.
SB, Who was head of the Democratic Party when they lost the House in 2010? Who has been making the case for “austerity” instead of jobs for the last 9 months? Who suddenly “pivots to jobs” 14 months before the election?
Unemployment has been over 9% for almost 2 years, and now we suddenly get a jobs plan?
Sometimes you lose the game in the first period, and there’s no catching up.
It is astonishing that you continue to trust anything Obama says in spite of his long trail of lies and broken promises and it is astonishing that you believe that he has the political will or competence to do anything substantial to help the poor and middle class in this country.
Seriously, SB, maybe this from Matt Taibbi will help you understand. Go and read the whole thing. And then tell me he is a “Teatard,” too.
“Obama and Jobs: Why I Don’t Believe Him Anymore”
Excerpt:
“But I remember following Obama on the campaign trail and hearing all sorts of promises before union-heavy crowds. He said he would raise the minimum wage every year; he said he would fight free-trade agreements. He also talked about repealing the Bush tax cuts and ending tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas.
It’s not just that he hasn’t done those things. The more important thing is that the people he’s surrounded himself with are not labor people, but stooges from Wall Street. Barack Obama has as his chief of staff a former top-ranking executive from one of the most grossly corrupt mega-companies on earth, JP Morgan Chase. He sees Bill Daley in his own office every day, yet when it comes time to talk abut labor issues, he has to go out and make selected visits twice a year or whatever to the Richard Trumkas of the world.”
Republicans don’t WANT to do anything about jobs. Their plan is to grind labor down until we reach our breaking point and accept a permanently lower standard of living. Much lower. The extent to which Obama is on board with this is an open question, but he certainly has done much to encourage it and nothing to fight it.
The Republican plan is reminiscent of Andrew Mellon’s advice to Herbert Hoover at the outset of the Great Depression:
“liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate farmers, liquidate real estate… it will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up from less competent people.”
Although I don’t think today’s Republicans are interested in “purging rottenness.” They just want the money for themselves. They ARE the rottenness.
With all the other economic policy battles, I could always see a path to victory, even if Obama wouldn’t see it or wouldn’t take it. There was always a winning card to lay down, a winning play to run, and I could watch and root for Obama to run that play and lay down that card, even though he never did.
Even though he never saw the open man or the lane to the basket no matter how much I shouted, it was still there for him to take it and win, if he wanted it bad enough.
But now there is no path to victory. There is no winning play that will result in a plan that creates jobs. There probably isn’t even a play that wins the election anymore. The only way to run is backward, toward the opponent’s goal.
Well, for the most obvious part first: the man can deliver a heck of a speech! He started out strong, and was in full-out black Southern Baptist preacher stemwinder mode by the time he finished. We always knew he could do it: it was his keynote address to the 2004 Democratic National Convention, when he was just a candidate for the Senate, that brought him to national attention. Rhetorically, it was excellent, and he kept hammering on his most important line, “You should pass it, right away.”
And it wasn’t just his delivery: it was a really good speech. The idea was to present things he believed Republicans would have to agree with, and more than half of his proposal was tax cuts.
But I have to wonder how my friends on the left will like the proposal. Y’all said that the $787 billion 2009 stimulus plan was way too small, and it certainly didn’t meet the performance markers the President set for it, and this time he’s proposing something just a bit more than half the size of the plan that didn’t work before, and is more heavily tilted to tax cuts.
when the GOP refuses to even debate this plan, who’s fault is it?
But they won’t. Rather, they will take the proposed legislation and treat it like every other piece of legislation: break it up into the constituent parts, and divide it among the appropriate House committees to begin the legislative process. Just off the top of my head, I can see the Ways and Means, Interior, Finance, Budget and Small Business committees all having a piece of it. And since the Constitution requires that all tax legislation originate in the House, and this has definite tax portions in it, it has to start in the House, and not the Senate.
Republicans want to put us all to work for half the pay. You heard ’em last night, they want to eliminate the minimum wage. “It’s a half-price sale – two workers for the price of one!”
Obama has been a colossal disappointment, but his potential challengers are completely insane. I’ll hold my nose & vote for him again in 2012. He can’t possibly be worse than anyone the Republicans might nominate.
go on….
infrastructuregasm
No applause.from Republicans about putting construction workers back to work. Unbelievable.
No applause from Republicans about putting teachers back to work.
an uber populist speech. im interested in how the republicans are going to make this Islamic Terrorism and how Obama will give up on the whole thing.
It should be unbelievable, but it’s not.
Now he’s on spending cuts. I hope he doesn’t lose focus. This is a jobs speech.
really dana? you dont believe the republicans not only hate non-rich americans, but are unashamed to show it? im surprised.
Republican would rather clap for executing 234 criminals
@ben, they will find a way to make it about Isalm – dont you worry
not dumb – just over-medicated by Big Pharma
mr prediction…. republicans scream about Obama wanting to kill medicare and how we have to keep it the way it is. old people are dumb, they wont remember.
I think he’s making an excellent speech so far. “We can’t afford to do both.” Good line.
speech is good, rhetoric on teachers back to work is specious though
why? it’s the truth.
Wow, a President who spoke in favor of collective bargaining rights on the floor.of Congress.
he kinda has his foot on the elephant’s neck
Good speech – as usual. Too bad he can’t be trusted to do what he says should be done.
too bad he gets no support to do the right thing
[OFF] Nice product placement for Apple to have a Macbook Pro on the table of the White House Panel.
you’re so amusing.
when the GOP refuses to even debate this plan, who’s fault is it?
please answer the question.
SB, Who was head of the Democratic Party when they lost the House in 2010? Who has been making the case for “austerity” instead of jobs for the last 9 months? Who suddenly “pivots to jobs” 14 months before the election?
Unemployment has been over 9% for almost 2 years, and now we suddenly get a jobs plan?
Sometimes you lose the game in the first period, and there’s no catching up.
wrong. you didnt answer the question
When the republicans REFUSE to debate or pass this plan, who’s fault is it?
It is Obama’s fault. Had he done what he had promised when he was elected, there would not be a Republican-controlled House.
its astonishing how more selective you are with facts and actual happenings than even your average Teatard, just astonishing.
It is astonishing that you continue to trust anything Obama says in spite of his long trail of lies and broken promises and it is astonishing that you believe that he has the political will or competence to do anything substantial to help the poor and middle class in this country.
The man can’t even stand up for clean air.
Seriously, SB, maybe this from Matt Taibbi will help you understand. Go and read the whole thing. And then tell me he is a “Teatard,” too.
“Obama and Jobs: Why I Don’t Believe Him Anymore”
Excerpt:
“But I remember following Obama on the campaign trail and hearing all sorts of promises before union-heavy crowds. He said he would raise the minimum wage every year; he said he would fight free-trade agreements. He also talked about repealing the Bush tax cuts and ending tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas.
It’s not just that he hasn’t done those things. The more important thing is that the people he’s surrounded himself with are not labor people, but stooges from Wall Street. Barack Obama has as his chief of staff a former top-ranking executive from one of the most grossly corrupt mega-companies on earth, JP Morgan Chase. He sees Bill Daley in his own office every day, yet when it comes time to talk abut labor issues, he has to go out and make selected visits twice a year or whatever to the Richard Trumkas of the world.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/obama-and-jobs-why-i-dont-believe-him-anymore-20110906
Republicans don’t WANT to do anything about jobs. Their plan is to grind labor down until we reach our breaking point and accept a permanently lower standard of living. Much lower. The extent to which Obama is on board with this is an open question, but he certainly has done much to encourage it and nothing to fight it.
The Republican plan is reminiscent of Andrew Mellon’s advice to Herbert Hoover at the outset of the Great Depression:
Although I don’t think today’s Republicans are interested in “purging rottenness.” They just want the money for themselves. They ARE the rottenness.
Ahh, comme je m’ennui!
With all the other economic policy battles, I could always see a path to victory, even if Obama wouldn’t see it or wouldn’t take it. There was always a winning card to lay down, a winning play to run, and I could watch and root for Obama to run that play and lay down that card, even though he never did.
Even though he never saw the open man or the lane to the basket no matter how much I shouted, it was still there for him to take it and win, if he wanted it bad enough.
But now there is no path to victory. There is no winning play that will result in a plan that creates jobs. There probably isn’t even a play that wins the election anymore. The only way to run is backward, toward the opponent’s goal.
Well, for the most obvious part first: the man can deliver a heck of a speech! He started out strong, and was in full-out black Southern Baptist preacher stemwinder mode by the time he finished. We always knew he could do it: it was his keynote address to the 2004 Democratic National Convention, when he was just a candidate for the Senate, that brought him to national attention. Rhetorically, it was excellent, and he kept hammering on his most important line, “You should pass it, right away.”
And it wasn’t just his delivery: it was a really good speech. The idea was to present things he believed Republicans would have to agree with, and more than half of his proposal was tax cuts.
But I have to wonder how my friends on the left will like the proposal. Y’all said that the $787 billion 2009 stimulus plan was way too small, and it certainly didn’t meet the performance markers the President set for it, and this time he’s proposing something just a bit more than half the size of the plan that didn’t work before, and is more heavily tilted to tax cuts.
Somethingistic Ben wrote:
But they won’t. Rather, they will take the proposed legislation and treat it like every other piece of legislation: break it up into the constituent parts, and divide it among the appropriate House committees to begin the legislative process. Just off the top of my head, I can see the Ways and Means, Interior, Finance, Budget and Small Business committees all having a piece of it. And since the Constitution requires that all tax legislation originate in the House, and this has definite tax portions in it, it has to start in the House, and not the Senate.
@Puck “Republicans don’t WANT to do anything about jobs.”
Just wait until there’s a Republican president. Then there will be a whole lot of interest in jobs.
It’s very clear that the GOP is willing to damage the country for political goals… just collateral damage.
Republicans want to put us all to work for half the pay. You heard ’em last night, they want to eliminate the minimum wage. “It’s a half-price sale – two workers for the price of one!”
Obama is such a brazen liar that it would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. This Man Can Straight-Faced Lie With The Best of Them
@ananone “Obama is such a brazen liar..”
Who’s the liar here? It’s a lie to claim that failing to enact NEW regulations…
There is brazen liar…
Last week, Anonone wrote that Obama was a “capitalist pig.” Literary and original!
Reminds of how Alan Mueller wrote on the former PDD listserv that ACLU president Larry Hamermesh was a “corporate tool.”
Obama has been a colossal disappointment, but his potential challengers are completely insane. I’ll hold my nose & vote for him again in 2012. He can’t possibly be worse than anyone the Republicans might nominate.
John, I never wrote that Obama was a “capitalist pig.” Get your facts straight or stop lying.
anon40, we’ll be nominating Rick Perry. he will be our next President, and you will like it.
Perry is certainly the match up team Obama is hoping for.
Only Sarah Palin would be better.
Agreed.
Great speech but will he hold the line when the going gets tough???