Have “decent” Republicans simply quit?
There is this person, Sarah Reidy, who is sick and sad about what the GOP has become but mostly you just hear crickets.
I mean, shouldn’t someone other than a lowly Huntsman staffer speak up against the pep-rally for death and cruerlty that the GOP has become? Are the decent Republicans simply ceeding the nominating process over the the blood-thirsty theocrats and closet case psychos.
FWIW – here is Reidy’s comment.
“For years I have tried to prove that the GOP isn’t the Party of elitist, stereotypical people that lack compassion,” Reidy wrote on her Facebook account Tuesday. “When did creativity and growth become secondary to hate? Hearing the debate crowds go crazy over things like executions and the uninsured dying makes me sick and sad for my Party that I devote my time and efforts.”
“Have “decent” Republicans simply quit?”
No. They got beat by wingnuts. The decent Republicans you are thinking of would be perfectly at home in today’s center-right Democratic party. Maybe they are already there (hey, that would explain a lot, wouldn’t it?).
“For years I have tried to prove that the GOP isn’t the Party of elitist, stereotypical people that lack compassion”
The best thing about banging your head against the wall is it feels so good when you stop.
You probably won’t see much coverage of this story in the US press but you can read about it at The Guardian. The US now has more people living in poverty than any other developed nation. Republicans like it. They cheer for all the horrible things that poverty brings. Poverty is their rally cry.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/14/us-poverty-levels-record-high
Cheering for justice is bad now? Just think of the death penalty as a post natal abortion for the bad guys and you will soon rally behind it. I am all for the execution of justice. People who prey on the innocent of society, killing children, the old, the handicap, or others in the commission of a felony do not deserve to be a part of society any longer. The fact that one state moves justice along without discrimination deserves kudos.
I am sick of people who want to protect the murders and do not spend one second thinking of their victims. I am sick of a justice system which denies justice to the families destroyed by brutal murderers. I am sick of liberal patsies who think killing the innocent is a right, and mourn the passing of a murderer. I am sick of liberals who spend more time defending child molesters than thinking of better treatment and protection for their victims. Oh don’t be cruel to the child predator. They need to make a living and have a place too– how about prison for the next 25 to life? If she wants to be sickened, I submit my list to her. It is not Republicans who should make her sick. It is the loony bin wing of the democrat party.
Yes, you can thank the Obama failed economic strategy for the poverty. He has done very little for the poor and minorities. He has been too focused on new programs to increase the power of government and too unfocused on empowering the individual.
Few parties in history had the power that the Democrats did in the first two years of the Obama administration. Instead of doing good, they made a bad situation worse. It is sad. If there is any consolation to the Democrats, I doubt that Bush or McCain had much more of a clue, but they wouldn’t have gotten distracted trying to push new programs which harmed the economy including Health deform.
Shows how little you know, David. The No. 1 driver of projected government deficits in the future is the steep annual increase in health-care costs.
The stimulus, as poorly designed as it was, helped create or save 3 million jobs. If tax cuts worked, we should have our healthiest economy in decades, as our tax burden is the lowest it has been in decades.
“empowering the individual”
David, if only you knew how unpowerful you really are when pitted against corporate giants who have teams of lawyers all with the singular goal of taking all your money.
They make a product that kills your children? youd have a country where it is you and you piss-ant salary verses them. You had better hope for a lib-tard consumer rights lawyer in that situation.
How do you like the idea of predatory money managers who take all your money, tell you to trust them, then leave you with no recourse… or money when they prove to be bad at their jobs.
Yeah, lets end government…. the PEOPLE’S only voice against abuses from other powerful entities. that way there’s nothing left to stop Halliburton from running for president.
You know what im sick of? selfish prick conservatives who think that they can do it all on their own and they dont owe anything to anyone. Who think that every road they have everything that has even happened to them is all because they did something and no one else deserves anything for it. A party of so-called-christians who would let their fellow americans starve to death in order to make sure the Dems dont have power.
Yeah David Except, there’s this nagging thing called reality, but you wouldn’t know about that.
We are the only developed nation that still has the death penalty. And, as we’ve seen too often in states like Texas, we sometimes murder the wrong person. It isn’t justice, it’s legalized murder and it needs to stop. Republicans are always claiming the religious high ground but seem to forget about Thou shalt not kill. Your God didn’t add any footnotes to that. It’s real clear. I certainly do not want to protect murderers. Life in prison seems perfectly just to me. And, it has the added advantage of providing more profit to your privatized prison corporate cronies. If you look at it as a profit center you will love it.
We can wrestle over the Obama administration’s tactics during the first two years in office, but I won’t concede any ground on the fact that this economic spiral was caused by Republican policies under Bush and has been exacerbated by the current congress’ childish economic strategy to starve the beast. What we witnessed this past summer during the debt ceiling debacle was immoral, unethical, dishonest, dishonorable, and simply a trantrum that has set the nation back yet again. It was a self-serving Republican political strategy that was heartless and cruel. Much like those who cheered for the uninsured to die.
David, your party has become morally bankrupt. It saddens me when I think of Dwight David Eisenhower and Nelson Rockefeller and others who were honorable men, and then I look at Michelle Bachman and Rick Perry. Today’s Republicans are societal muggers who have been hired by the Koch Bros and their ilk to permanently change America to the land of the rich and the home of the poor.
Wow. Those capital punishment & “economy” comments by Closet go to show how living in a closet can warp a person’s humanity.
To the original point of the post, where are the decent Republicans?
Don’t ask Closet.
“Cheering for justice is bad now?”
They weren’t cheering for justice. They were cheering for executions.
“Just think of the death penalty as a post natal abortion for the bad guys and you will soon rally behind it.”
Just because you don’t understand the difference between a blastocyst and a human being doesn’t mean we don’t.
“I am sick of people who want to protect the murders and do not spend one second thinking of their victims.”
I am sick of people who don’t understand that protecting the rights of the accused is not an emotional principle, it is a legal one. I am sick of people who want to substitute their emotions for reason, and to use those emotions to advocate for punitive policies that do no societal good.
“I am sick of a justice system which denies justice to the families destroyed by brutal murderers.”
In what way does it deny them justice? The state does not owe revenge to the families of murder victims.
“I am sick of liberal patsies who think killing the innocent is a right, and mourn the passing of a murderer.”
I am sick of people who can’t tell the difference between a blastocyst and a human being.
“I am sick of liberals who spend more time defending child molesters than thinking of better treatment and protection for their victims”
Is this a reference to the ACLU case? If so, that case is not about child molesters; it’s about sex offenders, a much larger set of which child molesters are a subset.
Beyond that, though, how can you, who spends so much time preaching and practicing Christianity, turn your back on a pathetic soul like Dr. Earl Bradley? Mostly overlooked in the rush to revulsion was the fact that he had an uncle who was a convicted child molester. Most child molesters were themselves molested as children. Is it not possible that Dr. Bradley was himself victimized by his relative, turning him into the monster we see today? Though you can’t feel any sympathy for this ruined man, can’t you feel any toward the child he once was? You, of all people?
@Geezer – good post
keep in mind that their brand of Christianity is loosly applied
somedays it applies to somethings and some people – some times not
kinda like the Constitution, it only applies to those they want to apply it to, when they want to apply it
its not even about the bread any more – its just all circus
@David – “He has done very little for the poor and minorities.”
really?? your band of merry wingnuts clap for executions – how much do you want to bet that the MAJORITY of those executed were poor, a minority, or both?
how much do you want to bet that those withour healthcare are, wait for it poor, minority, or both?
yet your folks cheered when then question was posed “we should just let them die?”
so, you dont like what Obama has done for the poor or minorities…and your side of the isle is good with executing them or just letting them die?
OKKAAAYYYY then, next comment??
The best plans to help with health care are on the Republican side. I support universal access to health care as do most Americans. Universal coverage is the wrong way to achieve that goal. It is not about health insurance, but about delivery of health care.
Nelson Rockefeller was anything but honorable. He was a liberal out gaining power for himself. He was a disgrace to the party like Mike Castle, Arlen Specter, Jim Jeffords, Christi Todd Whitman, and Bill Cohen. I gladly trade Shelby, Knighthorse Campbell, Graham, and Perry others for them.
So then, David, I assume you support a single-payer system as the most efficient way to achieve universal coverage at the lowest possible price.
None of the “plans” the Republicans champion have been shown to do anything to improve either availability or cost. But then, I suppose one can’t be conservative these days unless one is willing to buy a few pigs in pokes. Heck, you guys should start a Pig in a Poke of the Month Club.
I also love the humorous notion that liberal politicians are “out to get power for themselves,” but conservatives aren’t. There’s a conservative born every minute.
Proof that a bile back-up is bad for your health…..
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110914/NEWS02/109140342/Delaware-Patriots-leader-hospital
what healthcare plan is he on?? – our tax dollars?? another entitelement?? Maybe the Tea Baggers shoudl be careful in what they cheer and clap for?
BTW – I dont think I would call Nixon, Bush Jr of Cheney honorable either – people in glass housess and all that David
Delusional One – It’s Nighthorse Campbell not Knighthorse. I knew Ben when he was a Democrat and was a freshman in the Colorado House. He’s not as conservative as you think he is.
Glad to see that there are a few Republicans out there like Sarah Reidy who still have enough moral fiber to be sickened by a crowd cheering for a guy in a coma with no health insurance to “die”.
Meanwhile, Republican David makes excuses for a crowd that wants a man in a coma without health insurance to “die.”
This is what Republican David was saying on 2/10:
“If some one sees signs of a person diagnosed with minimal consciousness having more, it is because they do. Recent research shows that some people in a “vegetative state” are very conscious, but disconnected from their bodies. Should we not apply our technology to helping tens of thousands of forgotten individuals?
We saw the murder of Terri Schiavo play out on national television. Many closed their minds to the facts because it was uncomfortable to deal with these issues. Yet, Terri showed more signs than the people in the study. Now we are faced with a rationing of health care which could even place barriers for privately raised resources to help the forgotten and isolated.
Nothing is more important in this earth than human well being so humans devoting 1/6 of the economy to bettering it is reasonable.”
So Republican David, should we let people in comas with no health insurance “die” like the crowd at the debate was cheering for, or do we try to save them? And if you think we should save the guy without health insurance in a coma, why are you part of a movement that wants that same guy to “die”?
No, a society is judged by how it treats those most in need of our care and compassion. I thank you for posting the statement in context. It stands pretty well on its own. As I said, I support universal access to health care. My solution is more patient centered while yours is more centered in big bureaucracy either Big insurance or big government. I am more of a fan of the Singapore model.
You are also a big fan of the tea party, and they clearly were cheering for a guy in a coma without health insurance to “die.” You’re a sell out,
In defense of Ron Paul, he does not believe people should just be left to die. He raised hundreds of thousands to help pay off the debt of a family whose uninsured head of household died without insurance. Your assumption is that you have to favor government action or none at all. Personally, I do not think it can all be done through charity, but it is not all being done any way. My solution is different, but I am not going to pretend that he just wants people to die.
I am disappointed that vision care was cut with no transition time from Medicaid. It seems to me that people should have had at least 6 months notice. I don’t recall that being an evil Republican who did that. Wasn’t that the progressive guy who ran on increasing access to health care?
That is why I am working on a program through the city of Dover for $25 prescription eyeglasses and discount dental and vision care. There is more than one way to achieve a result.
You’re also a big fan of the tea party and they were clearly cheering for a guy in a coma without health insurance to “die”. I’m glad you can justify it in your own mind, but to the rest of us your support of the tea party makes you look like a hypocrite.
Anon2, I am an independent thinker in the tradition of conservatism. I am sold out to the principles that made America great. Those principles came largely out of the Judeo-Christian tradition. I work from a proposition of individual liberty, Christian values, and Constitutional fidelity.
I am who I am.
I am registered Republican. I completely agree with here; my party has become the party of ignorance, and I feel I have to apologize for being a Republican. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to become a Democrat, and it’s classless for you liberals to propagandize this.
anon2, understand that Ron Paul said the opposite of what that crowd was saying. Not all of us are rotten apples.
@David – No one said Ron Paul wants people to die….
what WAS specifically mentioned was the responses from the crowd advocating just that:
“just let him die?”
response from crowd members “YEAH”, followed by more yeahs… if it was a voting body I would say the “Yeahs” had it and the vote would have passed
stop side-stepping the issue David – it was a T-party event – sponsored by the T-party and catering to the T-Party. One of the event attendees showed their true colors – the T-party doesn’t like it?? well its all crickets on the condemnation….apart from a lukewarm mention from Perry.
Paint it any way you want – but there is no getting away from what happened – there was no editing of video or audio, there is no interpretation, the is no question.
It is was it is, a shameful, disgusting display of the complete loss of compassion or sense of humanity for our fellow kind
what says your Christian sensibilities to that??
I didn’t refer to Ron Paul, I referred to your tea party buddies who were yelling “let him die”in in reference to an uninsured man in a coma.
And is being an “independent thinker” a good thing now because you trashed Castle for not adhering to your group think mentality just last year.
@David – QUOTE – “I am sold out …”
yes, buddy – you sure are, you sure are…..
@Libertarian Conservative – no one expects you to become a Democrat – but being a nice human being certainly helps.
Most of us on both sides want and need other views, there is no one right way – but a mingling of idess to best determine what works.
we do need each other
and we know you are not all rotten apples…… 😉
Rebecca wrote:
Uhhh, perhaps you ought to read Leviticus, where death is the specified penalty for many crimes.
As for me, I’m opposed to capital punishment, but I certainly understand why others favor it. And we might as well face facts: politicians who campaign on being tough on crime, and they normally include support for the death penalty, tend to do well. If there was really substantial opposition to capital punishment, we’d do away with it.
Oh, you shouldn’t judge a person by the issues? I would still criticize Mr. Castle if he weren’t gone. I think I did in this thread. He is not a conservative and does not claim to be one. I am. I believe conservatism is the best solution to our problems so I support conservatives. I don’t know how that is group think, but it is what it is.
You are the one who is avoiding the issue. The people in the crowd aren’t running for anything. No vote was taken so I don’t concede your point. It is an assumption. I clearly said that I want universal access to health care. As you pointed out, I always have favored universal access. I said straight out that “No, a society is judged by how it treats those most in need of our care and compassion.” I answered you three different ways.
You are avoiding the issue that it is Democrats including our progressive Governor who are the ones rationing health care. Obama care is rationing in disguise. I propose a better solution than either letting people die or rationing care.
Stay blind, David. You affiliate yourself with the tea party and the tea partiers in the crowd were yelling “let him die” in reference to an uninsured man in a coma.
You claim to be an “independent thinker” but you took an “independent thinker”a to the woodshed in 2010 precisely for being an “independent thinker” and not adhering to your every moral belief.
You criticized Castle for not being pro life, yet you embrace a movement that would let a coma victim “die”.
It must be hard to keep your double standards and hypocrisies straight.
I’m not a democrat David so your last attempt at deflecting away from your own hypocrisies by bringing up democrats doesn’t wash.
You are part of a movement whose members went on national TV and cheered and yelled for an uninsured man in a coma to “die.” Be proud of your tea party friends David, you made a choice to stand with them in 2010.
There was nothing independent about Castle. He was wholly owned by the establishment. I want people in office who are standing for we the people. Once again, you make unwarranted assumptions based upon what? A policy statement, a vote, leaders, office holders, a resolution, no some people in a debate audience who likely do not even represent that audience. I don’t know who CNN invited. I do know that the debate was co-sponsored by Tea Party Express. Since you seem to know my writings, you can easily find my feelings about Tea Party Express. Many in the Tea Party movement tolerate them but don’t embrace them. I see them as the corporate shills of the movement. I am more populous. I want a government for the people not owned by big business. Even so, I do not see Tea Party Express backing the supposition that people should be left to die. I do not go around picking random fights with every boorish reaction.
I do know that the good people of the Tea Party movement that I know are decent individuals who care about this country.
So Delusional One, how are you going to pay for this eye glasses and discount dental and vision care initiative? Higher taxes or cutting other programs? Show me the money!
What “establishment” David? You tea partiers throw out these words but they have little meaning. Would that be the “establishment” that led him to vote for the Stupak Amendment and made him an advocate for extending the Bush tax cuts or the “establishment” that led him to vote for Cap and Trade?
Or is this mysterious “establishment” just a bull shit term you tea partiers throw around when you’ve got nothing else?
Now where is your criticism of the Democrats who are claiming the poor as their mantle yet they dump on the poor every opportunity? Do I disagree with the 4 or 5 malcontents that you want to represent the Tea Party movement of 25 million voters or more? You know I do because I have been consistent in my position both in actions and words for decades. I have yet to see you give the same scrutiny to people who actually have power who are harming the interests of the poor. Your Democrat friends love the poor because they are working so hard to add to their numbers.
MJ, I won’t make the announcement here. I won’t give you that satisfaction. You will have to go to delawarepolitics.net next week. I will present all of the details. The proposal will be brought up in Dover on the 26th. All of I’s will be dotted and T’s crossed. I am just waiting on legal to give me the final draft.
I have liberal and conservative supporters though of course the council is non partisan and we don’t identify ourselves by party. My point is that support crosses the ideological spectrum because it fills a need without breaking the budget.
Does this proposal enjoy closeted and non-closeted support?
Delusional David = empty suit and empty promises.
Be a man, David. Admit it, you’re going to raise taxes. Better turn in your teabag.
Why are you even arguing with this Know-nothing? He talks all this we the people shit but consistently supports those who value exclusion and scapegoating.
To answer your question anon2 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/september_2011/10_trust_america_s_political_leaders_more_than_public_on_key_issues
No, tax money needed. The city may make a buck. It helps to think differently.
Closet says, “The city may make a buck.” Lol. This has ethics train wreck written all over it.
Hmm, a local government making a profit off the backs of the poor. Yeah, that’s the American spirit.
“Mainstream Americans tend to trust the wisdom of the crowd more than their political leaders and are skeptical of both big government and big business.”
Agreed. Big is bad. But I
would make one big change:
Business should be Number One
Geezer at 9:59: Posts like that is why I love you. Well done.
@David 12:34 – This is why we call David, DELUSIONAL – it wasn’t Ron Paul that raised the money for this man, it was the man’s friends”
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/09/14/318633/ron-paul-campaign-manage-died-uninsured/
I know, I know: but I just HAVE TO put the nail in David’s coffin:
In case there was ANY doubt about those in the audience (or who they where) during the CNN/T-party debate in Florida, this link provides proof:
http://floridastatefair.com/upcoming-events/events-calendar/icalrepeat.detail/2011/09/12/111/-/tea-party-express-cnn-republican-debate
one could NOT get into the venue unless they were vetted by their local T-Party group!
from factcheck.org: ” The audience was made up of guests cleared by local Tea Party groups.”
http://factcheck.org/2011/09/cnntea-party-debate/