Question of the Day
Amanda Knox is free from those evil Italian courts. I didn’t follow the case so closely that I know what evidence pointed to her guilt or exonerated her. I just know she was charged with killing her roommate, so the question is: would you live with her? Would you date her?
absolutely! bitch is hot!
The case never added up in the first place. The retrial found DNA which was the only glue that held it together in spite of contradictory evidence was fundamentally flawed shall we say. Of course her DNA would be in her own place. They had no case left.
David, regardless of whether she is truly innocent or not. The question is, would you, hypothetically, date her? Because wouldn’t the question always linger in the back of your mind.
DD – you asked Closet if he’d date a woman?!
Don’t know her. My non-hypothetical wife would likely object.
I understand where you are coming from, but the preponderance of the evidence matters. As Fay might say, I saw her on TV and her aura seemed innocent. My gut says she didn’t do it when I looked at the evidence, the DNA looked shaky and the circumstancial case was in her favor. I kept wondering wouldn’t it be contaminated by them living together and maybe sharing hairbrushes etc. The alternative explanations with no evidence she was even present raised doubts.
She is a brilliant person who knows 4 languages and is broken from that upper class elitism by spending time in prison so she has a broad perspective shall we say. She seems like an interesting person. I would say there is nothing to disqualify her. The fact that she did not kill the girl matters. Psychopathic killers are automatically disqualified. She didn’t get off on some technicality that matters. I would say yes because of the nature of the evidence and her demeanor seemed to lend to innocence.
I personally only dated conservative, pro-life, Christians so I am not even sure hypothetically that she would qualify.
Twenty years younger, oh yeah! I could show her what an absolutely lousy lover is all about!
David…
You only dated conservative, pro-life Christians? What, did you have them fill out a questionnaire before asking them out?
LOL.
OMG! Did you really boil down this story to “date-ability?” Seriously? No more crab cupcakes for you! Shame, shame on you, DD.
Yes I did. I saw this question on Deadspin and thought it would be a good QOD. Deadspin imagined a conversation:
THANK YOU PANDORA. i’m scrolling down and i’m like, REALLY?
I don’t remember the discussions on this forum about Troy Anthony Davis and the complicated issues in that case boiling down to “but would you DO him?”
*sigh* Even liberal men need training. More than you think. Honestly, they are the worst offenders… since they should know better. 🙂
Maybe he was making an ironic statement that even Italy is powerless to punish pretty white American girls.
Pandora, it is our ability to say things we know are wrong as soon as we think them that allows us to not actually think that way. 😀
Yes, thank you Pandora. It’s hard to believe this thread was posted on a “liberal” website.
Ben, prove that statement! I’ll deal with DD behind the scenes. 👿
Right on, sister!
just dont “spank” him too hard Pandora>>>
I dated the principal suspect in a major crime (never charged). She was a monster of a girlfriend. I learned my lesson. No more suspect women for me.
BS SB, excuses excuses.
there ARE really interesting issues underlying here. there has been research that recidivism can partly be explained by the inherent bias of employers etc against felons who have been released after serving their sentences.
not sure how that appies to the exonnerated. would anyone be roomates with her?
but forget about that, she’s hot.
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Mignini.html
Well let’s see here. I am not being sexist here, as the question would apply if we were talking about Alexander Knox. Ladies, would you date him?
I do not accept criticism that I am objectifying Amanda Knox here. I made no comment about her looks or what have you. I simply asked “Would you, knowing the past allegations, whether they were true or not?”
And even if I was objectifying her, so what? Women objectify men all the time.
If you are objecting to this being a post without much substance, well, I accept that. But this is not meant to be one. It is just a question.
It is just a question. A bad question.
That said, when UI, Cassandra or I write a would you do/date him post, feel free to take us to task. Or you could search our past posts for such a question… good luck! 😉
Liberal men are so very difficult!
DD, You have conversations over time. If someone is interesting, you casually ask them about church, happen to discuss a pro-life news item, or invite them to a conservative political event. If a blind date, you ask your friend background questions, if they don’t know, you don’t waste everyone’s time. Values matter.
Why would you date someone before qualifying them? Have they been in prison (not a disqualifier, but it raises 10 other questions–how long ago, why, were they convicted, how did it change them, what have they done since, etc), are they a registered sex offender? I don’t understand people who just want to make dating a numbers game. I have seen people expose their children to abusers and sex offenders because they never checked the net.
I think the question you raised is legitimate. Don’t let the over sensative pc crowd take you off your game.
She can’t be any crazier than my ex-girlfriend from college.
Also I guess it depends on what you mean by “date.” I think I could keep all the sharp objects locked up for one night. Maybe a long weekend.
Pandora, yes we men, liberal or conservative, can be difficult. And you women, at times, …. well, I am in enough trouble without finishing that sentence.
David, I don’t know about you, but if I am attracted to a woman and/or find her to have a great personality, I ask them out. I don’t think I have ever known about a woman’s political beliefs before I went out on a date with them.
pandora and V, this is an odd things to get upset about. Speculating on whether or not one would date a person who is in the news is not an inherently sexist question.
The question could be asked about a man or a woman, asked by a man or a woman, and answered by both men or women.
Dating and fantasizing about dating a celebrity, male or female, are not inherently sexist activities.
Oh, and absolutely I would.
Hmmm… DD, Republican David agrees with you. Me? I rest my case. 🙂
Dating Amanda in Seattle 2006: $114.00
Dating Amanda in Perugia 2007: $380.00
Dating Amanda now: priceless
Over Erin Burnett? Every day of the week!
@David – too bad you don’t vet your candidates for various offices that throughly………. 🙂
In future, maybe you should.
Lets look at Christine O’Donnell – you always commented how attractive she was – and she threw out the conservative meme’s and lip service
but after the bloom was off the rose…well it seemed she was not what she proclaimed to be.
But you are saying would would do all the background checking on a blind date, or someone you know you would ask them questions on issues.
HMMM otherwise ” you don’t waste everyone’s time. Values matter”
took people 3 political races and several years to get to the bottom of COD and she destroyed the GOP in Delaware along the way
Good job vetting, David – hope you had better luck with the women you dated.
To further Aoine’s point:
Why would you nominate someone before qualifying them? Have they been a resident (not a disqualifier, but it raises 10 other questions–how long ago, who did she work for, why was she fired, how did it change her, what courses has she completed, etc), are they a registered virgin? I don’t understand people who just want to make elections a numbers game. I have seen people expose their party to O’Donnells and Bodies because they never checked the net.
Don’t thank me David, I love to help the special people.
“The question is, would you, hypothetically, date her?”
Yes! The crazier, the better.
No – she’s not my “type”
A1, inherently no. not at all.
but i DON’T think this question would probably come up if she wasn’t a nice looking young woman (whether we comment on that or not). Sort of like how looks comes up more often when we’re discussing female candidates (Palin, COD) than male candidates (with maybe the exception of Christie). And i think looking through past threads would probably prove me right. I don’t really remember the “would you bone Markell” thread.
Pandora and V, nice as both of you are… i HIGHLY doubt you dont have base thoughts from time to time. maybe you laugh at them in your head, maybe you dont. Finding an off color remark amusing doesnt make you Rush Limbaugh. Anyone who is a Sarah Silverman fan gets what im saying here…. is SHE allowed to be disgusting because she is a pretty girl and not a fat guy? If you like her, i certainly hope you’d laugh at the same jokes if they were made by a male comedian.
The point im trying to make is, i can say something like “yeah, she is attractive and from what was said at the trial, quite adventurous “in the sack” and in no way actually consider her a viable girlfriend. (i dont like drama) I mean, really this entire saga unfolded because of boyfriends, roommates, and 3somes. All that is being asked is “would you put yourself in this situation?”
V, as far as the Palins and MBachs, they “sex it up” and no. NO NO NO NO! Im not the “well, you’re attractive and wearing a dress so it means you want it” type not at all. but Sarah Palin plays the winky game. (she also whores out her children for political gain) They open the door to that discussion. Christine Odonnel made a talking point of her sexuality and started the discussion there. My rebuttle? Debbie Wasserman Schultz is an attractive woman and we dont talk about that because she doesn’t make it a thing….. she is also a democrat.
SB: how’s this for base. eat a bag of dicks.
1. Sarah Silverman is funny. this has nothing to do with fart humor.
2. YOU’RE the one talking about threesomes, i just thought it was a little weird that the answers to the questions moved from “could you trust her” “would you room with her” an focused exclusively on “would you date her”
3. i cannot BELIEVE you are making me defend Palin and Bachman: your statement that they “sex it up” (while you have a valid argument)PROVES MY POINT. We don’t talk about male candidates “sexing it up.” ever.
4. re: Debbie. other people have focused on her appearance. There was a glossy magazine profile on her a couple of years back (i want to say vogue) that focused on her recent weight loss (maybe like 30 lbs?) and sort of insinuated it had boosted her success.
look, all i’m saying is that several women on this forum had a uniform, icky reaction to this line of discussion. Maybe there’s a reason and we’re not just a bunch of crazy skirts?
We don’t talk about male candidates “sexing it up.” ever.
Scott Brown.
There was a glossy magazine profile on her a couple of years back (i want to say vogue) that focused on her recent weight loss (maybe like 30 lbs?) and sort of insinuated it had boosted her success.
Huckabee.
Im not making my argument very well.
First of all, i paid a very small amount of attention to this whole thing. I couldnt care less about the plight of a rich white girl… i mean person… (why is it ok for me to mock her social status and whiteness). But from what i understand, her roomate died in some sex related thing with the boyfriend. I dunno. It seems the whole trial was because of relationship so the question is posed… she seems to have been acquitted of this crime…. in light of the book ANGEL FACE and all the brewhaha that has been made of it,….. would you?
The accusation has been made that men, particularly liberal men, shouldnt s discuss a woman’s attractiveness or non attractiveness. That topic is inherently sexist and anyone who brings it up should be admonished and whatever. That is fine, but i dont see the same reactions to MJ calling out the Fat Man. What about the amount of times Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck or Chris Christie have been called fat disgusting pigs? (which he is) It’s fine to be offended and to express it, but why the multi-standard?
“We don’t talk about male candidates “sexing it up.” ever.”
C’mon, gals, I know you’re hankerin’ for a piece of Mitch “Beefcake” McConnell and John “I’m Orange All Over” Boehner.
In all seriousness, the question is a LOT more important for women than men, as there are a LOT more men convicted of sexual and other assaults on women than vice versa. On the available evidence — the Jerry Springer and Maury shows, as well as the odd but widespread phenomenon of women marrying men they met through prisoner pen-pal programs — women also seem more likely to exhibit questionable judgment in this area.
Men, meanwhile — this just in — objectify women sexually. All women, except maybe their grandma. They can refrain from saying so, but they can no more refrain from thinking that way than a cat can ignore a moving object.
Now, back to the important question: Who’s the most do-able man in the Delaware General Assembly? “None of the above” is not an acceptable answer.
are we really going to pretend that this doesn’t happen WAY MORE on one side than the other? That those situations are outliers? Point taken though to SB’s Christie/Rush examplies, fat shaming is still something we take on universally.
i’m just saying that if this was Andrew Knox it wouldn’t have come up. argue all you want i know i’m right.
Aoine, do you have a Christine obsession? This is an Amanda thread not even a political thread. I will be forever grateful to Christine for her courageous fight which has renewed our party, brought new people and energy, and cleared the deadweight holding us down. At worse she is Delaware’s Goldwater who did more good in losing than most people did in winning.
Now Pandora, admit that men and women are different and it is okay. The problem with feminism is that it is no longer about equality but emasculation.
Closet, Sometimes men and men are “different.” Amiright?
and that is where liberal men differ from conservative pigs. I’ll make jokes and rude comments and laugh at things i wouldnt laugh at in front of my mother….. but I’m not so frightened of losing male dominance in the world that I see equal rights for women as a targeted emasculation meant to make me feel…. small.
Of course, men an women are different, David. Equal, but different. Get it?
And… feminism isn’t about emasculation. Strong women like strong men. Weak, subservient women like weak, insecure men. Of course, there are exceptions, but that’s best left to a therapist to deal with.
The problem with the question “would you do/date her” is that it places all choices with the man. Which is ridiculous, since Megan Fox isn’t going to “do” any of you.
Sheesh, it’s fine to think/say someone is attractive, but can we stop with the personal sexual barometer. It’s silly, and it makes you look silly.
haha watch out SB, i know your mom 😉
“Now Pandora, admit that men and women are different and it is okay. The problem with feminism is that it is no longer about equality but emasculation”
really David?? if you feel emasculated I suggest that is YOUR problem that you are projecting onto women because you have no other way todeal with your feeling of inadequacy – and you see a therapist for it.
Im with pnadora on this – feeling emasculated yet David? thought so
“I will be forever grateful to Christine for her courageous fight”
Courageous? How? What did she risk? She had no job before, and she has none now. She had no standing among people with any pull in Delaware, and she has none now. She had no people snooping on her from her non-existent bushes, and she has none now.
You, David, are a well-meaning dupe. She’s a con woman, and you are a conned man. You’re not the first, you won’t be the last, but you’re not worth listening to on this. You’re like the last investor who still stands by Bernie Madoff.
Meanwhile, Pandora, if you have dismounted your high horse, please explain for me why so many women have no problem dating convicted sex offenders and men convicted of violent crimes. Because I’d really like to know.
Seriously, Geezer? Allow me to answer stupid with stupid. Why are so many pedophiles male? Because I’d really like to know.
Ridiculous question, isn’t it? I’m not dealing with dysfunction. I already referred that to a therapist.
No, I am not feeling that way. I am just trying to keep DD from the the manhood lockbox. Where women want liberal men to lock up their manhood until it is convenient for liberal women. I don’t play that game. I respect women and expect the same. I value our equality and enjoy our differences. Feminism is about being embarrassed about our differences.
Wrong, David, but I get why you don’t get that. You expect a woman to define your masculinity. Seems like it can’t stand on its own.
Does anyone else find Closet talking about locked away sexuality a little ironic? I’m giggling my ass off here.
Not the people hiding in the bushes myth. She didn’t even say that. She said that she was stalked to the point that at night her supporters would check the bushes to make sure all was clear. It is a typical security measure. When we had a crime spree of burglaries, drug use, and rapes, I removed the bushes from my house so I could feel safer when my wife happen to come in later in the evening or I was away on business or with the guard. That went away after about 2 years due to vigilance of the neighborhood and local police, but I never put them back.
Most people would consider such measures common sense. With Christine who lives in the most dangerous city in Delaware lets her supporters do a security sweep of her place each night, it is supposed to be a sign of instability. It is a distortion of reality which comes about when discussing her. I don’t understand the rabid hatred of the lady when all she does is try to contribute in her own way to this country.
Just the opposite, my dear Pandora. I refuse to allow women to define masculinity anymore than I believe men should define femininity. I think one of the biggest problems is that there are not enough men left in teaching. Boys need a little more balance. Education is losing its edge because we need young boys seeing men in the classroom before jr. high school. Travis Smiley reported that many black boys and young men have 89% of their teachers women. It is creating a social distortion. Your reaction to this post illustrates why. Some women (not the majority) try unconsciously to fit men in their box. Modern Feminism is the emasculation of men not the equality of women. Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Sojourner Truth, Lucy Stone, and Carrie Catt would have never taken things in this way.
Most women are thoughtfully keeping the flame burning brightly. People like Condi Rice, Sarah Palin, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Carrie Meeks, Sandra Day O’Conner, and Diane Feinstein who bring common sense and dedication to advancing women to the forefront. They are the traditional women’s right heirs.
The only thing i can think of after reading David’s post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PMGBucNONs&NR=1
Pandora, i need some sort of No Boys Allowed treehouse thread. Manless Mondays maybe?
LOL, V. They just don’t (won’t?) get it.
The thing I don’t like is that in this thread, you have a man asking presumably other men, if they would “date,” i.e., “do,” a woman, like she is just there to be judged by Mr. Anyman, to be dissected as to whether she is datable or good enough to have sex with. I find that offensive — particularly because it is so commonplace. Indeed the Bachelor show is offensive for the same reason.
In my opinion, liberal men ought to be in favor of gender equality and should not talk about women on a liberal political blog, like they are pieces of meat to be judged by men and discarded if found wanting. It really undermines the woman’s human dignity. Sure it could have been a lot worse — datable is relatively mild.
It is obviously hard for the women on this site to explain the problem in a way that men will understand, particularly when the men are defensive and not really trying to understand.
It is not the same if a woman does the same thing to a man because it has a different meaning. I think it would still be offensive if a thread were started “would you do Christie for a million dollars,” or something like that. However, actions have meaning in a cultural context, and the cultural context that exists is thousands of years of male dominance and the denigration of women. So the same act has different resonance depending on whether it is a man standing in judgment of a woman’s sexual attractiveness or a woman doing that to a man. It is not the same. Just as it’s not the same or just as bad when an African American makes anti-white comments.
I think conversations about whether a public person is sexually desirable are best left to private gatherings, not websites ostensibly supportive of liberal principles, like gender equality and human dignity.
I don’t see the thread being exclusive. He did not say guys. The would you live with her would include straight women after all wasn’t that her last roommate? You read it to be exclusive while the thread itself was inclusive.
” I refuse to allow women to define masculinity anymore than I believe men should define femininity.”
unless we’re talking about reproductive rights.
I had a thought. It goes back to my Fat people thing. A lot of times here, when a woman’s looks are brought up the boiled down comment it “she is attractive” and women dont like that being said. The men however. New Gingrich (who looks like the judge from the Wall), Rush, Glenn, Bohner…. all of them are discussed as ugly unlovable sex-drive killing trolls. What am i getting at here? nothing in particular. Personally, id rather have my gender talked about as desirable than ugly pieces of filth that look anatomically gross…. even when in good shape.
“So the same act has different resonance depending on whether it is a man standing in judgment of a woman’s sexual attractiveness or a woman doing that to a man. It is not the same. Just as it’s not the same or just as bad when an African American makes anti-white comments.”
That, however is an exceptional point, Valentine. Just watch out…. RD might read that as “no i DONT want to be treated the same, im different, treat me different.” as far as right wingers are concerned, if you cant handle sexual harassment, you dont get a raise.
OK, but the responses to the question made it look exclusive. “Bitch is hot” started us off (I assume that was tongue in cheek) and it continued to be a straight boy fest until Pandora saw it.
Once again he only asked an interesting, relevant question. He did not ask “would you do her for a million dollars” or anything demeaning. You would have to work overtime to be offended. It is obvious the liberal women here do. They are waiting for evidence of thousands of years of oppression brimming forward. It is victimology 301.
Thanks SB! As far as the fat and ugly man thing goes, I personally think that is demeaning as well, as in “he’s stupid” in place of an actual critique. I was very offended by Eugene Robinson’s column on Christie’s weight the other day.
it was presented inclusively, the overall theme being “would you trust this kind of person”. that didn’t bother me.
what DID bother me is that all the answers were to her datability and attractiveness. or references to psycho ex girlfriends.
Gentlemen of Delaware Liberal: You are not all sexist pigs, but in the same way everyone’s a little bit racist (see: Avenue Q) everyone’s a little bit sexist too (ladies included) due to lots of different things including gender norms forced on us since childhood. I just would like it if when some of the ladies on thread point out you’re having a misogynist moment that you understand where we’re coming from instead of freaking out and getting all defensive because you can’t be sexist because your best friend is lady and you’re down with that equal pay stuff. cool?
@Republican David: You thought it was interesting and relevant? You’re a Republican, so I assuming you are for the denigration of women, so I don’t expect you to get it. If this were Delaware Conservative, I wouldn’t be complaining, although I bet plenty of conservative women would be.
for the record i also hate the Christie fat business, it detracts from what an awful governor he is.
V,
First, of all “Date” does not equal “Do.”
Next, there is nothing wrong with people, male or female, discussing the personal attractiveness of celebrities, male or female. It isn’t dehumanizing; in fact, it is a very human thing to do.
Fantasies are a fun part of life. Why should people not be able to discuss them?
Why is this question important?
Eyeballs, bay-bee!!
BTW, who’s Megan Fox? She called me last night. Real late.
@Anonone: Why date if not to eventually do?
it frustrated me that a really interesting topic (trusting someone exonerated of a crime) was hijacked by male fantasty time (which is fine, really, i dont care in general how you feel about amanda or megan fox). I just thought it was stupid that everyone’s brain went right to that.
why is this not a valid opinion to the men on this thread?
why is this not a valid opinion to the men on this thread?
Excellent question. Perhaps we need to wait until a man validates it.
I guess it just shows that there is still a need for work around gender. Feminism should not be dead, and of course isn’t.
I could be wrong.. But i thought her roomate allegedly died during some type of sexual thing with the boyfriend. Therefor being physically/romantically involved with this person “in theory” would put you in a position where she may or may not kill someone. That seems to be the question in question. Like “would you let your kids sleep over at Micheal Jackson’s house?’ or if someone posed the same question about attending church where a priest was exonerated of molestation charges. Dating her is relevant to the predicament one might find them-self in.
thats my rationale anyway. David is a conservative and conservatives judge every women on their do-ability.
I have to admit that I don’t know the details of what she allegedly did in terms of the “sex games” or whatever. But of course she was exonerated.
Trusting someone exonerated of a crime is sexy. I think we all agree on that much.
It’s all about trust…
and OJ was acquitted
I have sex with OJ, provided I was gay or a woman and it was the 1969 OJ, not the 1995 OJ.
I guess you really do like that may be a murderer thing… 😀
“I have to admit that I don’t know the details of what she allegedly did in terms of the “sex games””
She is a court-certified freak. She said so under oath. You don’t usually know this about a person in advance.
What makes her a “freak” exactly? Or do you not want to say? I tried googling it, but didn’t see the details.
I may be wrong about that. I am probably getting mixed up with external reports about her diaries and other info that did not make it into court. I don’t really want to spend the time researching it so let’s just say I’m wrong.
@David – the question itself was demeaning, it OBJECTIFIED the woman in question
Like – would you eat that piece of meat? or which lobster would you like to select for dinner?
Women are not playthings to be looked over, played with and discarded or kept as a trophy – that is what offended me. Because, if the commentators in here are willing to make those statements about THAT woman, then my immediate thought is, are they going to have the same thought about me, or any of my friends out there in the real world.
And that is offensive. No one likes to be objectified, it is, in and of itself demeaning
And stop painting all liberal women with the same brush – we dont march to the same tune either.
I know some men look at women and their minds go THERE, it happens – and I have my own special response to it that usually shuts the idiot up – immediately!
Just ask the clown that pulled it with me the other night – I made Crocadile Dundee proud, and yes, I did just that – HARD!
God gave me a tongue and a wit, my ethnicity demands I use it in the quippy manner I do. I dont take crap – from anyone, ever.
@puck — I thought you knew. I wouldn’t expect you to take time to research it for me. I don’t have time to do that either. It doesn’t really matter. I am just curious.
Apparently, the details of the “satanic ritualistic sex game” she and her bf allegedly wanted to play with the victim have “never been revealed.”
No it did not, your response Aoine is much more demeaning to women than the question. It shows stereotypical, hypersensitive, reactionary, victim mentality.
*scratching my head*
you know David – you are an absolute, disconnected, out-of-touch, misogynistic idiot. typical RWNJ
As a woman, I know what demeans ME – when women are referred to – I and only I know how I feel, not pandora, not cassandra, not the woman on the street. ME
I do NOT know what demeans a black man, BECAUSE I AM NOT ONE! I do not know what demeans you – I am not YOU, Christine O’DOnnell might be, But Im not!
BUT YOU, IN ALL YOUR HIGH AND MIGHTY GOD-GIVEN GRACE DARE TO PRESUME TO TELL ME HOW I FEEL! GET OFF THE CROSS HONEY, WE NEED THE WOOD –
NOW – FUCK OFF
😀