Let’s Discuss The Debate

Filed in National by on October 4, 2012

I’m sure others will weigh in with posts, but I wanted to list my initial thoughts.

Obama seemed distracted last night, and everyone can feel free to list their reasons why.  He missed several openings to hit Romney, but that’s hardly new for Obama.  He’s not a debater – go back and watch his debates against Hillary Clinton.  The best you can say about Obama is that he did no harm.  So was I thrilled with Obama’s style last night?  No.  He lost on style, but there’s two parts to a debate and the second one is substance.  (More on that in a minute)  What Obama did do was deny Mitt Romney a debate ad clip.  There was no gotcha moment for Mitt to seize upon.

But if Mitt walks away with no ad clips Obama walks away with a ton. Which brings us to substance.

Mitt Romney was prepared – prepared to walk away from almost every policy/statement he’s uttered for the last year.  Cue the ads, because they are coming.  He still avoided specifics, but the specifics he embraced were quite enlightening.  He shook that etch-a-sketch hard.  Romney claimed there would be no cuts to education.  Really?

Mr. Romney rejected the charge. “I’m not going to cut education funding,” he said. “I don’t have a plan to cut education funding.”

But in the past Mr. Romney has said he would do just that.

In a speech to donors in Florida in the spring overheard by reporters, Mr. Romney said he would either merge the federal Education Department with another agency “or perhaps make it a heck of a lot smaller.”

Well that sounds like a plan to cut education, but like mostly all of Romney’s plans it’s missing specifics and is quite a change from what he’s said in the past.  Mitt Romney also said: I’m not going to cut education funding, including grants for college.  The link above disproves this claim as well.  And Romney has also previously said that he would allow banks back into the federal student loan system.

Last night Romney was adamant that his Health Care plan would cover pre-existing conditions.  Really?

After the first presidential debate at the University of Denver in Colorado on Wednesday night, one of Mitt Romney’s top advisers acknowledged that, as a result Romney’s plan to repeal Obamacare, people with pre-existing medical conditions would likely be unable to purchase insurance.

There’s a LOT of this “walking things back” in the Romney campaign.  The strategy appears to be:  Go out in front of the American people and lie, and then we’ll quietly walk back what you said once everyone has turned off their TVs.

As far as lowering the deficit… The only specific program cut I heard was PBS.  And given Jim Lehrer’s moderator performance last night I just might be okay with that.  Seriously, why did he even bother to show up?  The job of a moderator is to make the candidates get specific, not let a debate devolve into “No, you didn’t”  “Yes, I did”  No, you didn’t” which is what happened.  Lehrer was god-awful.  He simply didn’t exist, and his performance (or lack of one) was a disservice to the American people who at many times last night were looking for someone to… well, MODERATE.  Ugh.  Back to cutting PBS, I’m thinking there’s a Big Bird ad being cued up as I type.

And when it comes to Medicare… I’m looking for the video, but I could have sworn Romney agreed with Obama that Romney would voucherize Medicare. Did I mishear that?

Okay, moving forward to today and beyond…

Here’s what’s coming… Pundits/Journalists can only talk/write about style for so long.  The 24 hour news cycle will shift to substance – in fact, Chuck Todd just did (9:20 a.m.) citing Romney’s plan to voucherize Medicare and asking his guest how this could hurt him in Florida.  So, the conversation is beginning to evolve – which was inevitable.

The next question is:  Who will Romney be next?  Will he proceed as the “moderate” he portrayed last night, tossing aside almost everything he said during the last year… along with his base?  Or will he have to go to that base – who is happy with the debate “win” but will desperately need reassurance that the Mitt Romney of last night was just saying what needed to be said in order to win.  How will Romney signal to his base that he didn’t mean most of what he said last night?  Or… does he think he can throw them under the bus at this point?  I have no idea.

The next few weeks should be interesting.

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  1. puck says:

    This is what they mean by shaking the Etch-A-Sketch. It can be devastating if Obama and the media lets him get away with it.

    Team Obama needs to come up with a few good split-screen ads with Pre-Debate Romney on one side and Debate Romney on the other side.

  2. Jason330 says:

    If it means Romney gets a few percentage points in the polls, the GOP base is happy to be lied to and thrown under the bus. If it meant a 10 point swing in Ohio, the GOP base would be clamoring to be thrown under the bus.

  3. puck says:

    With all these lies I think Obama now needs to go after Romney’s character, instead of chasing each lie down the rabbit hole.

  4. bamboozer says:

    Romney’s goal is to win, truth be damned. His campaign has always been about say anything they want to hear, say something else if that doesn’t work. And I agree the pundits and other assorted loud mouths will talk about style but then get down to business about what was said. Some Americans surely hate Obama, but I expect many more don’t trust Romney and never will.

  5. Linda says:

    It wasn’t like Romney did well I could not understand a damn thing he was sputtering about . . . I just wanted Obama to defend himself by stating the obvious he was handed shit . . . and he didn’t get shit done because the Republicans jammed him up every chance they could! What he did get done they used as targets. For example Simpson Bowles . . . Romney the prick nit picked two or three things out of it that he didn’t like and I wished Obama had used that to point out that that was the problem with his whole term in office that Romney represented that same bullshit Republican effort – – jam Obama up until we get our way – – target anything good and nit pick it to death because Romney has nothing to offer us!!!

  6. Davy says:

    Seems like both the President and Romney exaggerated and made false claims:

    http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/

  7. Jason330 says:

    I’m not clicking on that. factcheck.org is crap. Like every other media outlet they worship at he alter of false objectivity and even-handedness. So if Romney lied his ass off, they’d have to gin up something from Obama, no matter what

  8. skippertee says:

    Whenever the Pres. had the opportunity to call out Robme’s lies he went belly up like a two dollar whore.
    What’s the problem Mr. President?
    I want to see some fire in your eyes!
    FUCK being scared of looking like an ANGRY BLACK MAN!

  9. cassandra_m says:

    Margaret and Helen write the post-debate post I wish I had written:

    If lying whenever your mouth moves is what they mean by style points then, yes, I would definitely have to say that Romney won the debate. He had to temporarily become a Democrat to do it, but yes he won. And it was clear that even the President didn’t see that one coming.

    Go read the whole amazing thing.