The 2nd Presidential Debate Live Blog

Filed in National by on October 16, 2012

We did not do a Live Blog during the first presidential debate due to technical difficulties. We had one up and running for the vice presidential debate. If the President does well tonight then we will know for certain that Delaware Liberal is responsible for the President’s first debate performance. If not, well then we are all truly screwed.

Join us tonight in the Liveblog. To join, click on the link “Liveblog” on the menu in the top right section of the site. For illustrative purposes…

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  1. pandora says:
    October 16, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    I’ll be there in a little while.

    Meanwhile, here’s a little inspiration…

    Have You All Lost Your Goddamn Minds?

    Liberals, you need to get your goddamn shit together. The President lost a debate. He didn’t lose Texas. For four years, this President has faced off one of the most obstructionist parties in modern American political history. He did this in the center of an economic collapse. He has delivered on too many promises to count, even in the dead heat of this. He’s been running ahead in an election where the opposition was fairly incompetent, where the leading opposition candidate told half the country to go fuck themselves with a stolen rusty tire iron. He has one debate where the opposition is competent, and that’s it. You’re done. You have bad polling days, and you’re done. Let’s just call off the election and use that time to apply for foreign passports. I mean, holy shit, what a bunch of spineless bastards you turned out to be.

    I’ve spent the last few days talking to you motherfuckers, and I have several questions, beginning with: did you motherfuckers watch the same debate as me? Cause for the last few days, I’ve heard people saying ‘why didn’t he point out that Romney was lying?’ He did. ‘Why didn’t he tie the economy to education or healthcare?’ He did. He made much of the same case for his Presidency as did Bill Clinton. He just didn’t do it with the bullshit flourish that is Clinton’s specialty. But shit, for the last four years, he hasn’t done the flourish. He’s been tired almost every day. He’s been tired at every press conference. He’s been tired at every speech and every state of the union with the exception of a handful of incidents. And all of a sudden, you’re surprised he comes off tired? Fuck yes, he’s tired. For four years, for four years while you were antsy that he was playing the adult in the room, while you thought he was being too nice, he fought daily for every reform at every impasse. Bill Clinton, for all his talents, didn’t do what Barack Obama did. Not for the uninsured. Not for the poor. Not for college students. Not for women. Not for the children of illegal immigrants. Not in a recession. This President has wound down two wars. He gave the kill order for Osama Bin Laden. He has promoted genuine efforts at democracy in the middle east, in a region that is in the middle of a revolution that came under his watch. While everything he does gets fucked daily by the tidal wave of shithead that is the Republican Party, the Israeli Prime Minister, the European economy, probably the whole of the Middle East, some douchebags with Youtube accounts and the state of Arizona, we ask if his heart is in it? Really? If he really wants to be President? For four years, we sat at his left flank just pissing and moaning while he delivered what none of his predecessors could. He did this against a party that is objectively crazy. And now, one debate, and the question is, is the President’s heart in it?

    What happened to chess? Yeah, fuck chess, we had a few bad poll days, time to go beat our own brains in with an ice pick. You know what? Fuck the President’s heart. I know his heart’s in it because while you and I have been fucking around amongst ourselves, bullshitting into the ether as to what it would mean for the campaign if Obama came off like an angry black man for a second, he’s been there bleeding for us and our progressive policies every goddamn day. You know whose heart isn’t in it? You know who needs to take the blame right now? You know who is letting everybody down? We are. We’re the ones we’ve been waiting for, and we surely are a huge pile of superstitious assholes. For four years, this President has made good on his promises even with the shit-storm that has become the political process in America. And he deserves, if not our support, then our resolve. So stop fucking panicking because you had a bad poll day. You know how many bad poll days the President has had? You might know better than he does, because he’s been too busy trying to keep Iran and Israel from becoming the dust and ash filled lands formerly known as Iran and Israel. So, for fuck’s sake, get your shit together. This is our President. He needs us. He needs our support. He needs our resolve. He needs us to beat Mitt Romney, because that asshole, despite what he said in the debate, would do exactly the damage that George Bush did, and we literally can’t afford that.

    Go read the whole thing. Now!

  2. geezer says:
    October 16, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Yeah, go team. Rah. Let me put on my blue face paint.

    I’m not looking for a pony. I’m just tired of all the horseshit.

    Here’s my take:

    You want to save entitlement programs from Obama’s Grand Bargain? Vote for Romney. If Obama is re-elected, he already has reiterated his desire to cut entitlements in exchange for tax increases, and most Democrats, including the Senate, will go along. But if Romney wins, the Senate will balk, and entitlements will be preserved for at least two more years and probably longer. Think about it. Obama wins, cuts. Romney wins, stalemate.

  3. Delaware Dem says:
    October 16, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    So privatizing both Medicare and Social Security and eliminating altogether Medicaid and Obamacare is your idea of saving them, Geezer?

    When did you become Paul Ryan, Geezer?

  4. pandora says:
    October 16, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Sure about that, Geezer? Jonathan Chait:

    Let’s first imagine that, on January 20, Romney takes the oath of office. Of the many secret post-victory plans floating around in the inner circles of the campaigns, the least secret is Romney’s intention to implement Paul Ryan’s budget. The Ryan budget has come to be almost synonymous with the Republican Party agenda, and Romney has embraced it with only slight variations. It would repeal Obamacare, cut income-tax rates, turn Medicare for people under 55 years old into subsidized private insurance, increase defense spending, and cut domestic spending, with especially large cuts for Medicaid, food stamps, and other programs targeted to the very poor.

    Few voters understand just how rapidly Romney could achieve this, rewriting the American social compact in one swift stroke. Ryan’s plan has never attracted Democratic support, but it is not designed for bipartisanship. Ryan deliberately built it to circumvent a Senate filibuster, stocking the plan with budget legislation that is allowed, under Senate “budget reconciliation” procedures, to pass with a simple majority. Republicans have been planning the mechanics of the vote for many months, and Republican insiders expect Romney to use reconciliation to pass the bill. Republicans would still need to control 50 votes in the Senate (Ryan, as vice-president, would cast the tiebreaking vote), but if Romney wins the presidency, he’ll likely precipitate a partywide tail wind that would extend to the GOP’s Senate slate.

    No need for a pony.

  5. puck says:
    October 16, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    But the Senate will also go along with Republican tax cuts, extending or deepening the Bush tax cuts (let’s see which version Mitt favors tonight). Which means that America will continue its middle-class contraction indefinitely. And Dems will get stuck with blame for the deficit.

  6. John Young says:
    October 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Presidential Candidate and running mate arrested at Hofstra at the Debate site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nKwwPVO8bNk&list=UUukxQJsxZWcyv_0IgqGR6-Q#!

  7. AQC says:
    October 16, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Obama already looks and sounds better.

  8. pandora says:
    October 16, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Come join us at the liveblog, AQC!

  9. Liberal Elite says:
    October 16, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    What a great debate for Obama… Life is good.

  10. pandora says:
    October 16, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Romney got a righteous spanking on his Libya behavior.

    Interrupting didn’t work for Romney tonight.

    and… about that binder full of women?

  11. DEvoter302 says:
    October 16, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    I, too, keep binders full of women.

  12. cassandra_m says:
    October 16, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    What Hillary Says About Yout Binders Full of Women

  13. cassandra_m says:
    October 16, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    One more!

  14. pandora says:
    October 16, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Looks like Romney’s version of the binder full of women story wasn’t true. I’m shocked, I tell you. Shocked!

  15. Paula says:
    October 16, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Clicked the link — server is too busy.

  16. V says:
    October 16, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    My mother re: Chuck Todd’s facial hair – “I can’t concentrate on anything he says. If you squint doesn’t he look like a talking vagina? It’s like a Brazilian gone horribly awry” I can officially never watch MSNBC again.

  17. pandora says:
    October 17, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Here’s a snippet, Paula.

    What actually happened was that in 2002—prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration—a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

    They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

    I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I’ve checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I’ve just presented it is correct—and that Romney’s claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.

  18. Nancy Willing says:
    October 17, 2012 at 7:17 am

    Good to know, Pandora. I couldn’t get through to that link either.

  19. geezer says:
    October 17, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Ah, I see. The nefarious Republicans will not play by the rules.

    My point, you pom-pom carriers, is that we’re screwed even if Obama wins. He’s already put those programs on the table.

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