There’s a reason Republicans are redefining rape. Their entire ideology is now built around the premise that abortion will be illegal. Almost all Republicans believe that to be true, which then moves us onto the “exceptions” of rape, incest and life (not health) of the mother.
See, they’ve moved beyond the “should abortion be legal” debate (to them that’s settled) and onto the should “exceptions” be legal. Which is why they must redefine/categorize rape – that way, once they outlaw abortion they can then outlaw certain rapes. They will chip away at the rape exception until it no longer exists. Mourdock, Ryan, Akins, etc. have already begun the process.
@pandora–I couldn’t agree more here (snark: but if Libertarians are all just Republicans, why are most Libertarians pro-abortion rights–never mind), but I don’t think you carry the argument far enough. . .
. . . or maybe I am not reading your inference correctly.
At any rate, I think that this progressive desensitization of rape is not just a consequence of incrementalism in moving the internal GOP debate over rape, but is part of a pretty carefully planned strategy. I think it very likely that we are seeing these uses of adjectives with rape as part of a conscious trial balloon looking for the one that will stick in the minds of “undecideds” on the issue.
And if I had to guess, it’s going to be “forcible” rape that they go with.
Steve, I’ll be carrying it further in a post – had to run out and pick up my daughter from Cross Country!
And I agree that this redefining of rape is a planned strategy. Any elected Republican – at any level – will make abortion illegal. That is now a given. They’re now moving on to making the “exceptions” illegal. Toss in their vocal opposition to birth control and you end up with the Republican agenda – Forced pregnancy.
Which is one of the reasons (and I am serious here) that I so strenuously object to the mischaracterization of Libertarians as Republicans. But that is a far lesser issue than not allowing Republicans to wriggle away from the fact that we can see what they are doing.
Yeah, it’s Cato and probably requires a good deal more QC, but seriously:
Our data show that libertarians have generally voted Republican—66 percent for Ronald Reagan in 1980, 74 percent for George H. W. Bush in 1988, and 72 percent for George W. Bush in 2000.
I’d grant you that point if I was remotely sure of what the CATO study was measuring. Their data base consists of:
“. . .a compilation of the authors’ research, polls, and op-eds on a portion of the electorate they estimate at around 15 percent. ” I haven’t read the book, but that doesn’t give me a lot of comfort, research-wise. Given that registered Libertarians are something less than 1% of the electorate, we seem to be using a pretty amorphous definition.
In a system that routinely forces Libertarians to choose between (to them) equally odious choices, it is not a surprise that their votes swing back and forth, as a quote from your source article shows:
“The libertarian vote for Republicans fell off in 2004 and 2006 in response to the Bush administration’s big-government agenda, and then grew again in 2008 and 2010 in light of the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Democrats.”
My observation is that small-L libertarians generally fall out toward favoring economics over social issues as determinative of their votes when only able to achieve one of the two.
I’m surprised by those results. My libertarian friends tend to side Democratically. But, that could be why they’re my friends and the very reason they’re an aberration from Cato’s data pool. The same thing could have happened to Cato… Their friends, would happen to be like them and vote Republican, and so their sample would be skewed that way.
Of course, being here in Delaware, where the Republican Party is abbreviated with four letters, JOKE…. could have also be part of why those I know, tend when they veer, to steer to Democrats.
I was briefly a member of the Libertarian Party when I was in my early twenties. Big mistake on my part. Lunatics showed up @ my door every year, urging me to come to party meetings & vote for losers who had no chance of getting elected to anything. These people were crazy & uber-idealistic. I would never attend a function w/ them for fear of ending up hogtied in the back of a windowless van on the way to Zed’s.
Reality (raising a family, becoming part of a community, realizing that the Founding Fathers were simply flawed humans like me) cured me of Libertarianism.
The “I got mine” philosophy doesn’t work in the real world.
LeBay. very nice summation.. Was that during the nineties? I know the Reform party in 96, was a total shambles, and they acted exactly like the people you portray.
Your description makes me rise to an assumption: that when both parties are sane, the third parties are nuts; but when both parties are nuts, the third parties are the sane ones.
How does that stack up?
I see evidence this year from the state Libertarian ticket, and the dissolution of the state Republican ticket, that I might be onto something here? 🙂
Crook (convicted) con artist (former republican) says:
As the dem candidates for new castle we are apalled. This sort of thing will prevent the urban farms as the con artist support I mean the nerve of these republicans
New castle county can’t exist without a city minister as the council president. I will line my pockets and stop rape
Ha. Don’t forget the kit to test if it is a legitimate rape or not.
http://www.happyplace.com/17543/introducing-the-todd-akin-legitimate-rape-kit
There’s a reason Republicans are redefining rape. Their entire ideology is now built around the premise that abortion will be illegal. Almost all Republicans believe that to be true, which then moves us onto the “exceptions” of rape, incest and life (not health) of the mother.
See, they’ve moved beyond the “should abortion be legal” debate (to them that’s settled) and onto the should “exceptions” be legal. Which is why they must redefine/categorize rape – that way, once they outlaw abortion they can then outlaw certain rapes. They will chip away at the rape exception until it no longer exists. Mourdock, Ryan, Akins, etc. have already begun the process.
@pandora–I couldn’t agree more here (snark: but if Libertarians are all just Republicans, why are most Libertarians pro-abortion rights–never mind), but I don’t think you carry the argument far enough. . .
. . . or maybe I am not reading your inference correctly.
At any rate, I think that this progressive desensitization of rape is not just a consequence of incrementalism in moving the internal GOP debate over rape, but is part of a pretty carefully planned strategy. I think it very likely that we are seeing these uses of adjectives with rape as part of a conscious trial balloon looking for the one that will stick in the minds of “undecideds” on the issue.
And if I had to guess, it’s going to be “forcible” rape that they go with.
Steve, I’ll be carrying it further in a post – had to run out and pick up my daughter from Cross Country!
And I agree that this redefining of rape is a planned strategy. Any elected Republican – at any level – will make abortion illegal. That is now a given. They’re now moving on to making the “exceptions” illegal. Toss in their vocal opposition to birth control and you end up with the Republican agenda – Forced pregnancy.
Which is one of the reasons (and I am serious here) that I so strenuously object to the mischaracterization of Libertarians as Republicans. But that is a far lesser issue than not allowing Republicans to wriggle away from the fact that we can see what they are doing.
I just think you don’t realize how special you are, Steve. 🙂
I strenuously object! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOnRHAyXqYY
@pandora: I began to suspect that the day they gave me my own IEP
Steve, I would be honored to sit on your IEP team.
Most libertarians may be pro-abortion rights, but most of them vote for Republican candidates who mainly do not.
Yeah, it’s Cato and probably requires a good deal more QC, but seriously:
I’d grant you that point if I was remotely sure of what the CATO study was measuring. Their data base consists of:
“. . .a compilation of the authors’ research, polls, and op-eds on a portion of the electorate they estimate at around 15 percent. ” I haven’t read the book, but that doesn’t give me a lot of comfort, research-wise. Given that registered Libertarians are something less than 1% of the electorate, we seem to be using a pretty amorphous definition.
In a system that routinely forces Libertarians to choose between (to them) equally odious choices, it is not a surprise that their votes swing back and forth, as a quote from your source article shows:
“The libertarian vote for Republicans fell off in 2004 and 2006 in response to the Bush administration’s big-government agenda, and then grew again in 2008 and 2010 in light of the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Democrats.”
My observation is that small-L libertarians generally fall out toward favoring economics over social issues as determinative of their votes when only able to achieve one of the two.
I’m surprised by those results. My libertarian friends tend to side Democratically. But, that could be why they’re my friends and the very reason they’re an aberration from Cato’s data pool. The same thing could have happened to Cato… Their friends, would happen to be like them and vote Republican, and so their sample would be skewed that way.
Of course, being here in Delaware, where the Republican Party is abbreviated with four letters, JOKE…. could have also be part of why those I know, tend when they veer, to steer to Democrats.
kavips–
I was briefly a member of the Libertarian Party when I was in my early twenties. Big mistake on my part. Lunatics showed up @ my door every year, urging me to come to party meetings & vote for losers who had no chance of getting elected to anything. These people were crazy & uber-idealistic. I would never attend a function w/ them for fear of ending up hogtied in the back of a windowless van on the way to Zed’s.
Reality (raising a family, becoming part of a community, realizing that the Founding Fathers were simply flawed humans like me) cured me of Libertarianism.
The “I got mine” philosophy doesn’t work in the real world.
LeBay. very nice summation.. Was that during the nineties? I know the Reform party in 96, was a total shambles, and they acted exactly like the people you portray.
Your description makes me rise to an assumption: that when both parties are sane, the third parties are nuts; but when both parties are nuts, the third parties are the sane ones.
How does that stack up?
I see evidence this year from the state Libertarian ticket, and the dissolution of the state Republican ticket, that I might be onto something here? 🙂
As the dem candidates for new castle we are apalled. This sort of thing will prevent the urban farms as the con artist support I mean the nerve of these republicans
New castle county can’t exist without a city minister as the council president. I will line my pockets and stop rape