John Carney’s Facebook Page: “I’m a dupe and I love it!”

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1. Michelle M says:

   January 30, 2013 at 3:08 pm

   WTF is up with this guy?! And do we get part of his salary for doing his corporate master’s bidding for him?

   I see him at the Central Y pretty often, we seem to have the same workout schedule. I’ve avoided saying anything to him, though I’m strongly tempted to. At the rate he’s going, I’ll be on the elliptical with a picket sign pretty soon.

2. mediawatch says:

   January 30, 2013 at 4:10 pm

   A couple months ago I heard a candidate say corporations are people. I think John believes that too.

3. El Somnambulo says:

   January 30, 2013 at 4:25 pm

   The question is, does he believe that PEOPLE are people?

   Or just drains on government?

4. Nancy Willing says:

   January 30, 2013 at 4:39 pm

   phoning it in. so true.

5. cassandra_m says:

   January 30, 2013 at 4:44 pm

   Is anyone going to either of these events? Seriously, if you go, we’d entertain a guest post on the experience. Just let us know through the contact info on the front page.

6. Cobain says:

   January 30, 2013 at 5:46 pm

   I don’t get it… We are invited to come tell him the stuff we are blogging about. In two locations.. At two different times. An opportunity to show him that the liberal approach adds up. He’s calling you libs out. Back in the day if someone got called out and they didn’t show up…. They were considered soft. 3 o’clock by the monkey bars. I’ll be there!

7. cassandra_m says:

   January 30, 2013 at 5:53 pm

   You were here before talking about this. And we also showed you a detailed post from someone who went to this last dog and pony show. There isn’t an opportunity to even discuss a “liberal” approach. It is a canned presentation from a group of people with an ax to grind. But glad you are going. Just don’t come back here pretending that we haven’t had this conversation already.

8. Cobain says:

   January 30, 2013 at 6:05 pm

   When is Del Liberal going to have a Town Hall? Someone set that up. I’m in!

9. Jason330 says:

   January 30, 2013 at 6:10 pm

   Do you think “Fix the Debt” has a progressive versions of the Town Hall they set up for Carney?

10. cassandra_m says:

    January 30, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    DL has a town hall 24/7. And you even get to participate anonymously — unlike Carney’s town hall.

11. Republican David says:

    January 30, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Excuse him for wanting to involve people in addressing the most pressing issue facing the country without your approval.

12. Jason330 says:

    January 31, 2013 at 1:16 am

    Congressman Carney opens a bag of Taco Bell and thinks he cooked. David declares it delicious.

13. Dave says:

    January 31, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Carney offers dinner, Jason says “But it’s not home made!”

14. cassandra_m says:

    January 31, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Carney wraps himself up in tattered wingnut ideology and Jason gets beat up for noting that the Representative isn’t wearing any clothes.

15. bamboozer says:

    January 31, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Carney’s not just a disappointment he’s a full race DINO and gives Carper a run for his money in “which party are you really from?” category. Delawareans are famously complacent about our politicians but if we don’t give young John the primary he so truly deserves we have failed as Democrats and liberals.

16. jim center says:

    January 31, 2013 at 10:09 am

    I was going to go but was concerned that I couldn’t sit still and quiet when faced with a spew of bulls**t from another DE DINO, and, that the end result would be time spent in the company of LEO’s-I do not suffer fools gladly.

17. El Somnambulo says:

    January 31, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Republican David inadvertently demonstrates why John Carney is eating tacos while wearing no clothes. (Don’t stand downwind.)

    Both David and Carney buy into the notion that ‘fixing the debt’ is “the most pressing issue facing the country”.

    It’s not. But it’s the ONLY pressing issue that the Concord Coalition cares about. Which is fine. Except that it’s the ONLY issue that the intellectually-incurious Carney seems the least bit interested in.

    As far as I’m concerned,any officeholder wearing the Concord Coalition’s purple robes does not deserve to serve as a Democratic officeholder. And we don’t need to attend a ‘public hearing’ held under the circumscribed terms of Carney and the Concord Coalition to get our message across.

18. Cobain says:

    January 31, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Went pretty well. Started with a presentation of the perceived problems. Then everyone received an example of the budget and separated into groups where we got to break down the budget our selves. What to cut, what not to cut, etc. Carney took questions and suggestions. Not trying to be biased, but it didn’t seem like a Conservative love fest. He critiqued conservative’s “kill the social safety net” policies and liberal’s “don’t touch, change, or improve the social safety net for any reason” policies. He was painfully moderate. Wish I could do a full play by play. If you can, try to get to the one tonight, the activity was pretty cool.

19. jason330 says:

    January 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    “What to cut, what not to cut, etc.” What a joke. You don’t even hear yourself, do you?

20. Cobain says:

    January 31, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Why are you so combative Jason? Yes, what to cut, what not to cut, what to raise, what not to raise. All of that.

21. Cobain says:

    January 31, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Just explaining what went down. That’s all.

22. cassandra_m says:

    January 31, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    And you didn’t see the essential bullshit in this:

    liberal’s “don’t touch, change, or improve the social safety net for any reason” policies.

    🙄

23. Jason330 says:

    January 31, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Now I’m kinda curious to see if Carney’s paymasters really included “what to raise” in the simulation. Based on other first hand accounts – that never came up.

24. Cobain says:

    January 31, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Not really. I mean if there are ways that we can improve services then I’m all for it. While medicare and medicaid have proven to be more cost effective than private insurance, as the President showed us with the ACA, there are ways to improve service without taking the benefit from people or reducing the amount of service that people receive and still reducing costs. I wouldn’t call the President a DINO for that. I don’t think that’s “bullshit” either.

    R’s will have to come to terms with the fact that these tax loop holes for the richest can’t be afforded if we’re going to take care of our fiscal house. And congress as a whole needs to realize that we have to walk and chew gum at the same time and while we are cleaning up Bush’s mess, we have to reform the tax code, secure entitlements, and create jobs (In the word of Future) at the same damn time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Y39QnwRvY

    I don’t know why that position is so hated here.

25. Cobain says:

    January 31, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    It was up to the individual groups to determine raises with our own budgets. However, the CC didn’t themselves. And nobody that showed up went into what raises they would have made. Doesn’t mean they didn’t just didn’t speak about it. Also, different crowd. Hopefully the evening one will have more people and provoke deeper conversation.

26. cassandra_m says:

    January 31, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    The bullshit is in claiming that liberals don’t want to “touch, change, or improve the social safety net”. These are the same liberals who helped push the ACA over the finish line in spite of that bill being quite less that what was wanted. These are the same liberals that legislators like Carney would tell that Single Payer medical care is a bridge too far.

    Liberals are the ones asking for changes and improvements to the system. And liberals are not buying that cuts to the system like Chained CPI are meant to be improvements to anything.

27. Cobain says:

    January 31, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Some liberals…. You don’t represent them all Cass.

28. cassandra_m says:

    January 31, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I don’t know why that position is so hated here.

    How long have you been reading here? Not long, it looks like to me, and you should be in the business of know what you are talking about before making those claims. People here are definitely interested in closing tax loopholes — but on the right populations. People here are interested in securing (and bettering) the social safety net. People here are very interested in full employment. And you would know that if you had bothered to read us some before making that silly claim.

    What we don’t buy is that middle class people have to give up their tax breaks, rather than GE or ExxonMobile. We don’t buy that cutting back on the COLA of SS improves it one bit. We don’t buy that cutting the social safety net does anything to improve employment. And there is plenty of writing and discussion here that would have told you otherwise.

    What we don’t buy is the bamboozlement coming from any legislators — it doesn’t matter what party — who would tell us that black is white and up is down in order to make middle class people pay the price of the mess that they did not make and did not benefit from. If you are buying this BS, then so be it. But don’t come here and claim that we hate improvements when in fact, our legislators are specifically not selling improvements to the system for anyone except the people who write them campaign checks.

29. cassandra_m says:

    January 31, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    I’m enough of a member of that community to know when they’ve been badly misrepresented. A thing you couldn’t do, right?

30. Cobain says:

    January 31, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    I like how you summed up everyone’s personal beliefs without even needing a poll. That takes skill. I notice that some of the contributors don’t like opposing views here. And become really combative with very little provoking. You guys should run for office, that’s about 75% of the requirements right there. Have a nice day 🙂

31. cassandra_m says:

    January 31, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Why would I need a poll to summarize the liberal views of (at least the liberal) people who participate here? I’ve been reading and writing here for years — how about you?

    What is interesting is that you aren’t so much presenting an opposing view, you are just having issues with the fact that we don’t think much of John Carney’s views. And here you are not even able to make a very good case for that.

    But enjoy your day! 🙂

32. Cobain says:

    January 31, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    No, not at all. Could care less about Carney or any of the rest of the DINO delegation that you guys despise. I started on this thread by asking why folks were so against going to the event. Then I just wanted to give a run down of what happened to be helpful. I then got attacked. Guess I’m not in the cool club.

33. cassandra m says:

    January 31, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    You weren’t attacked by any stretch. Unless you mean that you were asked questions that you couldn’t answer. In which case, you’ll need alot more precision. We’ve talked about this event in multiple threads — multiple threads that you participated in. We appreciate the run down, but I don’t see why that should preclude asking a pointed question or two.

    It isn’t about a club. It is about what you want to get out of this. If all you want is to have people just yell YAY at everything you say, you are definitively in the wrong place.

34. jim center says:

    January 31, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Mr Cobain, you stated, “Then everyone received an example of the budget and separated into groups where we got to break down the budget our selves. What to cut, what not to cut, etc.”
    I’m guessing you got a printout of categories?
    Did those categories include oil subsidies? did the list include repealing tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas? did it include an AMT for DuPont and other companies that don’t pay any federal taxes? What about a change to the tax code that allows these same companies to shelter their income overseas? Or was one of the categories an amnesty to allow those companies to bring back their offshore money at reduced rates to help “bring down the deficit”?
    I hope to hear later from someone who went to the DelTech “presentation”.
    Ooh, did you happen to save one of the worksheets that you could scan in to show us all the details?

35. Roland D. Lebay says:

    January 31, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    @Cobain–

    Sir/Madam–

    Please get your panties/knickers out of your ass crack.

    No one attacked you. Mere disagreement does not equal an attack, at least on liberal and other sane blogs/web sites.

    [sarcasm]
    Have a great day & keep up the good work!

    [/sarcasm]

36. X Stryker says:

    February 1, 2013 at 10:38 am

    What to cut: the Navy, SDI, war in Afghanistan, Jets that even the air force doesn’t want, agricultural subsidies to Monsanto, tax loopholes for Big Oil, etc
    What not to cut: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, things that have already been cut that help people.
    What to raise: the Social Security tax cap, without raising the benefit cap.

    How to accomplish this: bury the GOP in 2014, and convince Carney to protect his left flank from being primaried. Carney has adopted the language and tactics of those who want to convince the poor to give up their benefits so that the rich don’t have to sell any yachts.