Give this man all the guns he wants, because anything else is tyranny
Displaying the apartheid era flag of South Africa and the Colonial Rhodesia flag is simple free speech. Depriving this man of guns, or even making him wait for his guns is the same as Naziism.
Fox wants to arm the Preachers
*sigh* Of course… just as Jesus intended.
You’ll recall the NRA disallowed open carry at its recent Tennessee convention.
FYI:
“The Post and Courier reported that Roof was arrested twice in South Carolina and was jailed in March in Lexington County on a drug charge.”
It is illegal for this person to purchase a gun.
A lot of good all of your laws did.
For his father to give a gun to a known drug abuser is also a crime.
Again, a lot of good all of your laws did.
The only way to address these issues is to look at the cause & not the mechanics.
While that is being worked on, the rest of us need to be able to defend ourselves against such occurrences.
“A lot of good all of your laws did.”
Exactly. I sense you are coming around.
Also,
Luke 22:36
“Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”
From the King James Bible
Jesus knew that the apostles would face adversity & evil. The “sword” either literally or metaphorically is an instruction to be prepared to face such evil & defend against it.
Well. There you have it. You are a piece of shit. I get it now.
Te rest of that passage from Luke goes like this:
These are Jesus’ instructions/prophecy at the Last Supper for his fate. It is not an instruction Americans to slaughter each other.
Then, of course, there is this from Matthew of Jesus’ arrest:
‘“A lot of good all of your laws did.”
Exactly. I sense you are coming around.’
So…….passing a law banning guns will solve the problem.
Good plan.
Well, it solved most of the problem everywhere else in the advanced world. So, yeah, it seems like a pretty good plan.
You know what is probably a very shitty plan… relying on Biblical passages.
SussexAnon – Serious question.
Are you opposed to ALL gun restrictions as a matter of principle, or are you simply opposed to our shitty American restrictions that don’t work?
No I am not opposed to all gun restrictions.
So, unlike second amendment absolutist, you see that there is a benefit to keeping guns away from emotionally unstable people.
That is good to know. Most NRA members would agree with that, but the NRA is much more radical than their membership.
Which is why a lot of people don’t belong to the NRA.
The NRA at one time was very big into gun safety, everywhere, all the time. They also supported expanded background checks. They were also supportive of the Federal restrictions/licensing on legally owning full automatic machine guns. Then they quickly went from that to a political/trade organization . Accepting money from members while in reality becoming a trade organization for the gun manufacturers.
They are just like a political party. They throw some scraps to the plebes to give the illusion they are representing you while taking big money from wealthy people and organizations and doing more for them than the poor masses, and selling it to them as “freedom, not tyranny.”
There is a lot of money in making dumb people scared.
There is also a lot of money to be made in blaming others, too.
This timing of this atrocity is especially poignant (and tragic) given the debate, and failure, in the House Judiciary committee yesterday of HB 168.
Just infuriating.
http://legis.delaware.gov/legislature.nsf/FSMain?OpenFrameset&Frame=right&src=/LIS/lis148.nsf/home
That’s an odd observation. Who is raking it like the NRA? In 2013 the NRA’s revenue was $347,968,789.
Thanks Rep Lynn. It seems that we must be able to store our firearms unsafely around children otherwise, tyranny.
Please forgive my typo, my post should read:
The timing of this atrocity is especially poignant (and tragic) given the debate, and failure, in the House Judiciary committee yesterday of HB 168.
Just infuriating.
http://legis.delaware.gov/legislature.nsf/FSMain?OpenFrameset&Frame=right&src=/LIS/lis148.nsf/home
Hopefully they go after the father with some sort of charge with teeth for contributing to this and he gets a cell next to the son for a long time
Since you mentioned prison cells I wanted to make a point now while I’m still emotional about this. I feel like it means a bit more…
My total opposition to the death penalty does not waiver. Even in the face of this disgusting little fascist scum…
I did not say anyone was raking it in like the NRA. I said a people are making a lot of money in the blame game.
@Jason: You cannot badger a frightened person into bravery.
Who is making money in your blame game, SA? (are you going to the traditional Al Sharpton straw man? that woudl be very unoriginal) you’re throwing out these random “booo! loook at them” when it is painfully obvious that Southern Pride and ease of access of guns is what happened here. This little shit was made. Made by southern propaganda, fox news, and probably his scum bag parents. Someone who was legally allowed to buy a gun helped him get one…. maybe that uncle that turned him in felt bad (that is total speculation).
If i were in charge…….. If you buy a gun and give or sell it to someone, even if that person has no record, and they use it to kill, you also get charged with murder. Buying a weapon ties to you that weapon for the rest of it’s life. Yes have a national registry, yes track it. If you buy a gun for a person who is not allowed to have guns, no statute of limitation, if that ever comes to light, you go to jail.
DG, I agree with you about the state administering a death penalty. I have NO problem with a “leaving the little Confederate in the yard while the guards are on lunchbreak” penalty.
@ben I’d include the gun store that sold the gun and manufacturer of the gun in the chain of culpability. But that would be communism on top of the usual Nazism.
The lack of responsibility surrounding guns is what I find most disturbing. I’m so tired of reading about a child finding their parents’/adult’s gun and “accidentally” killing themselves or another child. Those adults need to be charged for that crime. It is not a tragic accident, and we need to stop referring to these deaths/injuries that way. And given the way open carry is all the rage (the latest fashion statement), I expect a ton more of these incidents.
Here’s the deal: No one, with any power, is calling for guns to be confiscated. If that claim is any part of your argument then you’re probably too paranoid to own a gun. There’s a conversation to be had, but discussing this with certain gun owners always reminds me of the “My life is ruined!” argument parents have with teenagers not being allowed to go to the mall.
We have a gun problem in this country. If you feel that statement is a personal attack then we’ve identified a big part of the problem.
This is a very insightful view from the UK publication The Economist.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/06/charleston-massacre
The gist of it:
“The regularity of mass killings breeds familiarity. The rhythms of grief and outrage that accompany them become—for those not directly affected by tragedy—ritualised and then blend into the background noise. That normalisation makes it ever less likely that America’s political system will groan into action to take steps to reduce their frequency or deadliness. Those who live in America, or visit it, might do best to regard them the way one regards air pollution in China: an endemic local health hazard which, for deep-rooted cultural, social, economic and political reasons, the country is incapable of addressing. This may, however, be a bit unfair. China seems to be making progress on pollution.”
In a way, I look forward to becoming a full blown international pariah nation like apartheid era South Africa. Untouchable and rivaled. The “Third Way ” Chamber of Commerce Democrats whop give so much cover to the right wing could be flushed out of the system, and we might eventually have some substantive action on race, gun violence and perhaps even global warming.
@Jason: That’s going to happen faster than people think.
Hurry up and get here.
While it isn’t official yet, whenever I, and my family and friends, travel overseas the most frequently asked question we receive is about guns and safety. We are constantly asked if we’re afraid to be living in such a society – a society that accepts all gun violence in the same way it accepts traffic.
If you haven’t watched Jon Stewart’s take on this most recent shooting, you should.
Get bit from the Aussie comic Jim Jefferies along the same lines.
https://youtu.be/lL8JEEt2RxI
Well here is one area we can adequate borrow from American corporate culture. In American corporate culture everything leaves a paper trail… One assumes honesty in all but is capable of verifying any malfeasance and has the capacity to backtrack after a crime is noticed….
The idea behind this is that it makes it harder to steal… You can’t stop stealing. But you can back track, Find out who did i; remove those who helped them…. Which since it makes it harder to steal anonymously, does tend to cut down on the amount of theft.
If we register all guns… and keep a digital trail of every firearm from manufacture to current owner, sort of the exact same way we do with car titles (ever do a title search?) then we can’t stop all crimes but we can cut back on the number of them taking place by people who can get guns simply because no one is checking up on them….
This is the argument that needs to be had… Not banning… Because well, we haven’t banned cars yet, have we? And we still have a system which though not perfect, has seemed to work for a 100 odd years….
But hate crimes like this, will continue; If a person is dedicated to killing, they will find a way… However, we can cut down on large numbers of those who become killers only because it is too easy to do so, and they really didn’t have time to think of the long term consequences in the heat of the moment with an untracked gun nestled in the palm of their hand…..
“Because well, we haven’t banned cars yet, have we?”
Cars serve a purpose unrelated to the deaths they cause. Guns do not. And we have taken many steps over many years to improve auto safety, which is why gunshots are poised to pass vehicles as a cause of death.
” And we still have a system which though not perfect, has seemed to work for a 100 odd years…. ”
Which system is that?
let’s play a game. let’s name all the things a gun is meant for OTHER than ending a life, or target practice for ending a life, or carrying around so people know how quickly you can end their life.
I’ll go first…. you can use the butt as a pretty ineffective hammer that might accidentally kill you.
Or maybe to defend yourself. Ever stop to think that if there had been armed people in that church, the creep would have been taken out before he did so much damage?
The pastor would have been the first. He’d never see it coming. The rest scared unable to react. So enough with the gun nut crap
Obviously you have never been trained to handle a gun. My statement still stands. The best way to take out a bad guy with a gun, is to have a good guy (or guys and girls) with guns.
It seems that the preacher was targeted by the NRA for voting against open carry laws.
“Who will rid me of this damned priest?” asked the NRA with its rhetoric.
This is as close to a mass murder committed by the NRA that we have probably ever seen.
This blood is on the hands of the NRA.
@p “…whenever I, and my family and friends, travel overseas the most frequently asked question we receive is about guns and safety. We are constantly asked if we’re afraid to be living in such a society…”
And I always tell them I feel safer walking in the streets of their cities… and I actually do!
Most cities in the 1st world are far safer than ours. It’s like we’re trying for 3rd world status… or something.
The NRA has no blame. Look at the cities that have been controlled by liberals for the last half century. Take them out of the discussion and America’s gun death rate drops dramatically.
@RB “The NRA has no blame.”
The NRA get much blame for ALL the gun deaths in America, red or blue, rich or poor, city or rural. It’s a major health crisis that no other 1st world country has. It’s a health crisis by political choice. And that makes it all the more shameful.
I’m always apologizing to my foreign colleagues, for how crazy and corrupt America is. Given all of our natural gifts and our ideal location, America really should be better.
@RB “Obviously you have never been trained to handle a gun. My statement still stands. The best way to take out a bad guy with a gun, is to have a good guy (or guys and girls) with guns.”
Not if you’re 10x more likely to die from your own gun. Just look at the gun statistics! Having a gun is losing bet. Gun owners die at a MUCH higher rate from gun violence than non-gun owners.
p.s. I did learn to handle a gun (Boy Scouts, Order of the Arrow,…), but I put such childish things behind me as I became an adult.
It appears that the NRA is now rapidly trying to hide it’s fingerprints that are all over the death of Reverend Pinckney. This was a political killing.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/19/n-r-a-board-member-deletes-criticism-of-victim-in-church-massacre/
It seems that Saint Thomas More and Reverend Clementa C. Pinckney now have something in common.
“Who will rid me of this damned priest?” was asked by both Henry VIII and the NRA.
Defend yourself, RobberBaron? Why are you so afraid? It must be exhausting to always live in fear, ready to draw your gun.
@p “It must be exhausting to always live in fear, ready to draw your gun.”
America has a whole army of bedwetters.
There is a lot of money in making dumb people scared. A lot of votes also.
I am not scared and do not live in fear. I refuse to be a victim and will protect myself from the crazies. Anything else would be living like a sheep, you know, a liberal progressive.
Who are the crazies? Can you identify them? Are you living your life always ready to defend yourself from them? That’s the definition of living in fear.
The key to understanding is to recognize that the overriding emotion is one of fear. The impending collapse of civilization, hoarding food and gold, collecting firearms, building bunkers. Is there anyway to assuage that fear? Nope. Its origin is the dark abyss of their mind. Therapy might help, but therapy is a tool only for those who recognize they have a problem (I’m ok, everyone else is nuts). Even while the rest of us are not cowering in fear or arming ourselves to the teeth, they maintain a certainty that they are the only sane ones. And whose say they aren’t right to be a afraid?
Regardless, in the meantime, the rest of us go through life with its joys and sorrows without the constant burden of fear that invades their every waking moment (and probably their dreams as well).
@RB “I refuse to be a victim and will protect myself from the crazies.”
People who think like that ARE the crazies.
I am not scared and do not live in fear.
If you are armed to the teeth in defense of some imaginary hordes, you are already scared and living in fear.
Who are the crazies? Can you identify them?
You are pulling my leg, of course or are you that naive? How about Dylann Roof, Jared Lee Loughner and James Holmes for starters. Not my imagination. Very real crazy killers in public locations.
@RB “Who are the crazies?”
People like you… Because you cannot tell the difference between a rational fear and an irrational fear. You simply don’t have a clue, yet you’re willing to act on your ignorance and blow thousands of $$$ on utter junk. That money could be far better spent on your own family!!
Yeah- defending them from harm, if a situation ever arises. Fortunately, none have.
The ones that keep claiming they’re not scared are usually the most scared
Andy- I am guessing you are not scared?
Not particularly and I have no need for a gun
May I quote you? “The ones that keep claiming they are not scared are usually the most scared.” You later claim you are “not particularly” scared. Does that mean you really are? Liberalism needs no logic, just emotion.
The big difference is your fear has total control over your life.
And irrationality has total control over your life. I am a realist, you sir are not. Bad people do bad things from time to time. Good people need to understand that and prepare for the possibility.
Im Irrational because I don’t let fear control my life?
@RB “I am a realist, you sir are not.”
Realists know how to interpret statistics. You, my friend, are something like ten times more likely to die from a gun than Andy is.
…and why? Because you have made an irrational choice.
In the search for safety you have only brought more danger to yourself and your family.
Don’t forget… 90% of all gun deaths are family and friends.
p.s. Try not to have a really really bad day… (like >20,000 of your ilk have had in the last year).
“Realists know how to interpret statistics.”
Absolutely! When we do threat and risk analysis, we assess the threat, the degree of vulnerability, together with the probability of occurrence of the consequence if something does occur and then determine what mitigation strategies need to be put in place. It is very scientific and data driven.
RB obviously puts himself and his family in risky situations or lives in an area where significant risk exists. He also must have determined that he and his family are vulnerable and that there is a significant likelihood that an event will happen to put him or his family in danger. As result he feels the need to mitigate that threat.
Now if he has not done that analysis, then it is simply irrational fear that prompts his decision to be armed. I’m betting on irrational fear coupled with the fight instinct winning out over flight because of the abundance of testosterone.
Prudent measures are never out of place. And it may be that in some cases, being armed is a prudent measure. But making that choice in the absence of a significant threat actually creates risk for family and friends. The would be protector is actually endangering his family and friends.
For me personally, when a firearm is present, my strategy is to absent myself (and my family) simply because it is the prudent thing to do to mitigate the risk of someone who may or may not comprehend the danger of a loaded firearm (or a firearm they think is unloaded).
A realist would defend his family from diabetes.
A realist would make sure his kid wore a bike helmet.
Exactly, Dave.
But let’s walk through RobberBaron’s scenario. He’s at home with his family. Where is his gun? If it’s stored safely and securely (like all “responsible” gun owners always claim) is there enough time to get it when one of those “crazy” people break into his house? If it’s ready to go then it isn’t safe or secured. Can’t have it both ways.
And… where does he keep the gun? Upstairs in his bedroom? Downstairs? Let’s say it’s upstairs and he’s downstairs when the “crazy” person breaks in. What does he do? Run upstairs (away from his family – leaving them with the “crazy” person?)? What if the “crazy” person came in thru the upstairs window? Oops, maybe the “crazy” person gets to his unsecured gun before he does? (Pretty plausible if the gun is at the ready) Or does he walk around his house with a gun holstered to his hip at all times? And if his fear of “crazy” people is real then he should have a gun on him at all times – Right? Maybe he has a gun in every room of his house? (Like I do with Reader glasses!)
If he doesn’t walk around the house with a gun on his person at all times (or in every room – maybe even more than one gun per room depending on the size of the room) then is he really dealing with his perceived threat of a “crazy” person or merely giving himself a false sense of security?
I’ll skip over his vision of morphing into Rambo, because that’s utter BS. And given his perceived level of vulnerability/fear the odds of shooting before assessing the situation (bird flying into the window, children’s boyfriend/girlfriend/friend sneaking around/in/out of the house) are really high – which is what we see happening almost every day.
I just listened to Obama on the Marc Maron podcast. He mentioned that one of his strongest characteristics – one he tries to focus on consistently – is reason. He gave an economic example to illustrate this. The fact that generally speaking over decades the country’s highest growth coincided with the times of the highest tax rates not the lowest. It’s just an incontrovertible fact. He would hope that reasonable people would eventually understand that this fact cannot be dismissed and argue from there.
Same thing works here. We know for a fact that having a gun in the home makes the family living there incredibly less safe because of accidents and suicides. The statistics/percentages aren’t even close. Having a gun available most often mean that if something happens it’s bad not good. The idea of “protection” and “safety” is false. So Robber Baron can make all the statements she/he would like. Just remember that it’s a lie. She or he may sincerely believe the lie, but it’s false nonetheless.
The death penalty is about letting the state kill its own citizens
I wonder if this guy ever served and if he did was he ever in a true war zone? I don’t think the answer is yes
@A “I wonder if this guy ever served and if he did was he ever in a true war zone? I don’t think the answer is yes”
The people who served aren’t the bedwetters. Many of them have retreated from firearms (or at least lock them up really well).
It’s the guys like RB who pee their pants every time they hear a noise.
And it’s the “news” sources they listen to that made them that scared.
“!!They’re coming to get you!!” — said the commentator.
@p “Oops, maybe the “crazy” person gets to his unsecured gun before he does? (Pretty plausible if the gun is at the ready)”
I read that a significant fraction of women who are shot, are actually shot by their own gun in someone else’s hand. The fraction is large enough to make carrying one a rather questionable idea.