Five basic facts on the recent shootings in/near _Nashville_
Details of today’s shooting are still emerging, but these are the facts we have so far:
1) It is “too soon” to talk about how this shooting fits into our approach to gun control.
2) Our approach to gun control makes it easy for anyone [even people who “exhibited extreme erratic behavior and has made ominous as well as disturbing statements”] to get guns legally and kill multiple people.
3) In spite of the fact that every other western industrialized country manages to restrict criminals and the mentally deranged from obtaining guns, any changes (and I mean ANY CHANGES) in our approach to gun control are impossible because they would naturally and inexorably lead to tyranny.
4) Congress and the national headquarters of the NRA are both places which restrict 2nd Amendment rights.
5) The NRA took in over $300 million in revenue in 2013.
NASHVILLE, TN (WSMV) –
Metro Police confirmed the shooter at an Antioch movie theater is dead. Police responded to a shots fired call about 1:15 p.m.
The Nashville Fire Department confirmed that shots were being fired at the Carmike Hickory 8 Cinema on Bell Road just before 2 p.m.
Metro police spokesman Don Aaron said the suspect entered the theater armed with a gun and a hatchet. Nashville Fire Department spokesman Brian Haas later said the gunman also had pepper spray on him.
A South Precinct officer entered the theater where Mad Max: Fury Road was showing. There, he encountered the gunman in the projection room. The gunman and the officer exchanged gunfire.
Read more: http://www.wsmv.com/story/29717483/active-shooter-reported-at-antioch-theater#ixzz3hyOc1e9Z
Take away all the guns, it will solve our problems.
Déjà vu.*
*see also: Jason last post, and the one previous that, and so on.
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The basic facts are immutable across all shootings. We can’t change the status quo because the inevitability of tyranny. I think Brandon’s comment hinted at that, although I’m not sure he had the brain power to know the subtext of his own post.
By the way, Brandon, immutable means unable to be changed. Status quo means the the existing state of affairs, or the way things are now.
“Take away all the guns, it will solve our problems.”
No, just the shootings.
Apparently the headline for this story should read, “Man armed with pellet pistol, hatchet, and pepper spray commits suicide by cop.”
Which is not to say it is too early to talk about what this incident means regarding gun control, except to say that such an incident should actually have included a firearm.
For the record: the cops should have shot to kill; they had no way of knowing it was not a real firearm. But it should also be pointed out that this perpetrator (“mentally deranged” is an adequate description of a man with multiple hospitalizations for mental illness) apparently could not (or at least did not) acquire an actual gun.
That said, we do need to have the courage to have jason’s discussion.
You DO know rogue shooters pick theaters and schools because they are ” gun-free” zones…right?
You Democrats will never disarm the populace. And if by some chance I am incorrect about that, I know that as sure as gum sticks to a blanket that you’ll never disarm criminals.Guns are, unfortunately…a much-needed tool for self-defense against criminals. You want to REALLY protect good people and kids? Remove all gun-free zone signs. Make the psychopath with murder on his mind wonder just who might shoot back and drop his sorry ass!
“You DO know rogue shooters pick theaters and schools because they are ” gun-free” zones…right?”
Yes. It is clearly the victims fault for not being armed.
“Guns are, unfortunately…a much-needed tool for self-defense against criminals.”
Yes. Of course. Except that most shootings are among family members and people who know each other, so I hope your spouse is well armed.
“You want to REALLY protect good people and kids? Remove all gun-free zone signs.”
I agree. the only solution to gun mayhem is more gun mayhem. BUT why single out schools and theaters? Why are my rights taken away on aircraft, in airports and in Congress? That’s TYRANNY!
Arm everyone. It makes perfect sense. Just ask the entire rest of the western industrialized world. That’s how they handle it.
Thanks for the input.
I thought they picked theaters and schools because the talk radio rube republicans are incited by hatred of education and the arts
So, jason, if you want to have the real conversation with somebody who is far more a “gun rights” advocate than anybody else who will talk to you, let’s start with areas of agreement:
It is absolutely insane to allow teachers and school employees to carry firearms in a school setting. The chances of (a) a mentally unstable student getting hold of the weapon; (b) a mentally unstable teacher snapping and becoming the terrorist; or (c) some teacher or janitor thinking a guy walking into the building “looks suspicious” and pulling a weapon on him are–given the size of our national public school system, not only a statistical certainty, but a great candidate to produce more casualties and deaths over a ten-year period than armed terrorists will. By arming school staffs you are not reducing risk, you are merely spreading it around in a different fashion, and you are virtually guaranteed to have people get injured or killed who wouldn’t otherwise have been hurt.
I am a firm believer that the state is morally culpable for excising the money that paid for armed police officers in our schools here in Delaware. If the decrepit Cinemark Movies 10 in Newport can afford to always have an off-duty (but uniformed) police officer working there every night, the state government can afford to provide police protection within our schools.
That’s a start, but the problem with talking about gun rights “with somebody who is far more a “gun rights” advocate than anybody else” I talk with is that the same straw men…inevitability of tyranny, and the myth that guns are good for home protection, are always at the ready.
I think to have an actual conversation about gun rights and gun control in this country, you’d have to find gun rights advocates who don’t buy into the slippery slope fallacy at a core level of their being.
If these types of gun rights advocates exist, I’ve never met one.
Well, it is technically true that you and I have never met.
It was a pellet gun and a knife….all easily accessible by anyone without any background check…..where is the common sense? Are you seriously using this offense to question gun rights?…….do we outlaw bee bee guns and butter knives? It’s a shame it happened but you cannot use it to forward any anti-gun legislation.
Thank you. I know. Nothing can ever be used to forward any anti-gun legislation, ever. Otherwise tyranny. That’s the point.