Young Women Are Not So Impressed by Hillary
Running against the Clinton story that Bernie’s support comes mainly from only bros, women under 30 in Iowa voted overwhelmingly for Bernie Sanders.
In Iowa this week, women 29 and younger voted for Clinton’s challenger, Sen. Bernie Sanders, by a stunning margin of roughly 6 to 1, much as young men did, according to the poll of voters arriving at precinct caucuses conducted for the television networks and the Associated Press.
The problem is not rejection of feminism – surveys suggest millennial women are the most staunchly feminist group of voters in America. They want to see a woman in the White House. Just not necessarily this woman.
Nemski’s back.
Tags: Bernie Sanders, feminism, Hillary Clinton
Hey, Nemski’s back.
Just to balance out the Hillary support here.
Already balanced. Jason is for Sanders, as is Brian. I am for Hillary. I don’t know Cass’ and Pandora’s preferences, but Pandora has said she likes both of them.
” They want to see a woman in the White House. Just not necessarily this woman.”
Ouch!
I’m seeing the best liberal minds of my generation being destroyed by greed, corporatism and the Clintons. So sad.
These folks aren’t old enough to be cynical yet. They haven’t seen how low the Republicans will go to attack and destroy anyone. Bernie will be no exception. They’re holding back now, but you know it’ll come if he gets the nomination. If the specter of Socialism / Communism won’t work, they’ll go personal. I think Bernie is a good, upright man, but they’ll find a way to turn virtue to vice. They made a Purple Heart bad, for god’s sake. We just need to be prepared for that. Hillary has been battle tested, though her battle continues too and her scars are still growing. Again, I’m not anti-Bernie at all, but I’m not as optimistic that he will fare as well as Hillary in the general election as the polls currently show.
thats a pretty good point…. however, you dont have to be “old enough” to be cynical. you just have to have been paying attention since 2006.
What nobody acknowledges is that Hillary won’t get any more done than Obama did or Sanders would. She won’t be able to deliver incremental change. The GOP has cast its die with total obstruction, and that will prevail no matter which Democrat wins.
The GOP already has demonstrated that it won’t back ITS OWN SOLUTIONS once they’re embraced by a Democratic president, because they are afraid the Democrat will get the credit for it (as, for example, Clinton got credit for a surplus by signing the GOP budget into law).
This will be the case NO MATTER WHOM THE DEMOCRATS ELECT! So stop bringing that weak-ass bullshit in here.
preach! this year, we are voting to keep out a complete 3 branch takeover. that is it.
I wholly agree neither candidate, Sanders or Clinton, will get anything through Congress…but one of them must win. The Supreme Court is at stake. That’s why it pains me when people are tearing down either candidate….they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but the Democrats must enthusiastically support the nominee once chosen. Too much is a stake.
https://newrepublic.com/article/129115/bernie-sanders-will-unelectable-keeps
JM – It is patently absurd to say that Clinton supporters will not vote for Sanders, and/or Sanders supporters will not vote for Clinton when the alternative is an implied vote for Rubio, Cruz, or Trump.
it is just dumb. Stop linking to that nonsense.
If Clinton wins the nomination, I will vote for her while literally holding my nose.
Atta guy.
JM can’t help it. It’s in his Carper Cybornetics coding.
Eight years ago he told me John Carney had spent the past eight years preparing to be governor. I suppose he’d now say Carney has spent 16 years at it — and in all that time, Carney still hasn’t once stumbled upon a progressive position on an issue.
Yep, I like both of them, and just like in 2008 I will happily vote for the Dem.
What I don’t like (then and now) is using Republican talking points to attack our candidates. It would be great if we could stop doing that.
I’ll also point out that DL could sure use some more women’s voices – of all ages. This thread is a bit unnerving.
Jason – That is not what the article says. [Indeed, in the final paragraph, he makes some of the same points as you.]
Rather, the article points out the absurdity of “using the term ‘moderate’ as an epithet to describe deviations from his agenda.” The Sanders’ camp’s hollering on this topic yesterday betrays a lack of understanding of the long game.
nymag.com/thecut/2016/02/what-hillary-learned-about-running-while-female.html
One more thing… the argument that Hillary and Bernie won’t get any more done than Obama did bothers me because it lessens Obama’s accomplishments. A lot happened in the last 8 years. Given what he was facing he got A LOT done. Let’s not rewrite history.
He got none of it done by Congress except Obamacare, and let’s not oversell that horse-by-committee. Like Obama, either Bernie or Hillary would be relying on executive authority alone to get “things” done.
So your argument is actually the argument for Bernie — since either one will be reduced to governing by Constitution-circumscribed fiat, whose fiats would you prefer? I’d prefer Bernie’s.
Pandora wrote
Short of talking about Vince Foster, you’re making me pull all my punches.
Hillary says, rather ominously. that she wants to “get things done.” In a Congress which will only permit Republican things to get done, that worries me. I am reminded of Obama’s first term when he was flirting with Social Security cuts and Catfood Commission “tax reform” and austerity. Hell, he wasn’t flirting, he got to second base. Hillary might go all the way, in the name of “getting things done.”
@Mikem2784
“but the Democrats must enthusiastically support the nominee once chosen”
Based on 2014 data, 39% identify as independents, 32% as Democrats and 23% as Republicans. I have no doubt the Democrats will be enthusiastic, but unless 39% of the independents stay home, the enthusiastic 32% aren’t going to win anything, regardless of the candidate. The question is, how many Independents vote Democratic if Sanders or Clinton is the nominee?
Pandora asked for more female perspectives, so I thought I would throw mine out there. I know enough about government to know you need someone with experience, smarts, tenacity and managerial skills (etc, etc) at the helm. The best fit for me is Hillary. It has nothing to do with her gender, age, skin color or outfit. It has everything to do with the fact that she is the most experienced candidate and will be the most prepared to handle lord knows what on day one. Do I want to have a beer with her? No. A slumber party? No. I don’t want her to be my best friend; I want her to be my president. A good president is going to do things I don’t agree with, while pursing the goals we share. That’s life. That’s our government. It is just how it works.
Bernie? I love his ideas and ideals. I think we should pursue them incrementally. I want him to stay in the Senate where he can actually introduce bills, argue on the floor and push his agenda. I don’t see him as being a particularly strong administrator. And that’s really what I’m looking for right now.
So, am I excited about Hillary? No. And that’s ok. I will gladly be casting my vote for her. I can get excitement elsewhere.
What ED says is all true, and it’s why the enthusiasm gap exists. Very few people get excited by “incremental change” and “good management.”
What the Hillary supporters are asking of Bernie supporters is to give up your ideals and settle. There’s a time for that, and it isn’t before any votes have been cast.