Which candidate was a client of the DC Madam?
A lawyer who represented the so-called “D.C. madam” says he has phone records that could influence the outcome of the presidential election, and he’s threatening to release one or more names on the steps of the U.S. Supreme Court if he’s denied a hearing on his right to distribute them.
So let’s assume Montgomery Blair Sibley, the late “DC Madam” Deborah Palfrey’s attorney, does have information that ties one of the current candidates to some of the same prostitutes famously frequented by former Senator and presently disgraced pious blow-hard, David Vitter… which one is it? I have listed the candidates from LEAST likely to MOST likely:
1) Hillary Clinton. Least likely, simply because the clients of sex workers are typically men. Is that a sexists observation? I don’t know because I couldn’t find any good statistics to back up this piece of conventional wisdom.
2) Donald Trump. He is a guy who does not seem to be phased by committing adultery. He also ran his own beauty pageant during that period, a pageant which he used for setting up dates.
3) Bernie Sanders. A great deal of recent evidence shows that being a David Vitter-like, self-righteous, moralistic a-hole makes one more likely to hire prostitutes. Therefor, using the transitive property, being a easy going, live and let live type makes you less likely to hire prostitutes.
4) John Kasich has a foot in the self-righteous, moralistic a-hole club, but he is a punter compared to everyone’s odds on favorite…
5) Ted Cruz , a guy so self-righteous, moralistic, and creepy that David Vitter’s baby/mommy fantasies will probably end up looking like wholesome and healthy human sexuality by the time this is over.
I read this story last night. Could this primary season get more crazy?
What I read about this lawyer is that he’s a birther, so given that bit of nonsense my #1 pick is Kasich. Altho, I do see how he could want to help Trump (a yuuuge birther) by hitting Cruz. Either way, it rules Trump out for me.
And what’s with all the “is this sexist” comments? They’ve been popping up regularly on this site. Not aiming this at you, J. I’ve just noticed this happening and I’m not sure why.
Clearly Hillary
@pandora, You are right. That is becoming a bad habit that I’ll have to work on breaking.
I’m just gonna lob this turd-grenade… not because I actually think it, but I’m feelin cheeky..
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Bill.
No worries, Jason. I was just curious because I kept seeing them pop up and didn’t understand why.
Was Cruz even IN Washington during the heyday of the DC Madam?
If it was Bill or Hillary, I’d have to imagine that it would have come out years ago. But if it was Bill, is that really shocking? We already know he loves the women and has cheated before. Hell, it might be a plus. Hillary could divorce him live during the campaign.
Nah, my gut tells me it is not either Clinton. The clue here is “shake up the race.”
The only way it shakes up the race is if it involves Cruz, Kasich or Sanders. Maximum Shake-up-ability is Sanders. Least is Cruz, since I already assume he has 10 mistresses.
El Som… yes.. because his wife Heidi was. OOOOOOH. What if the Cruzes are swingers?
Maybe it’s Paul Ryan. He is the RNC’s presumptive nominee.
It’s also possible, given this dude’s ties to the Orange Horror, there isn’t anything. Remember when Trump was always one week away from releasing definitive proof of Obama’s Kenyan birth? All they have to do is imply it loud enough, and 65% of the GOP will take it as gospel.
He graduated from Princeton University in 1992, from Harvard Law in 1995, and was in DC from 1999 to 2003. Texas from 2003 to 2012 (but visiting DC as TX Solicitor General) , then back to DC.
Pamela Martin and Associates founded in 1993, closed down in 2007.
Wait, the theory here is that Trump wouldn’t pay the DC Madam because he already had other ways of getting tail?
That’s not consistent with research about johns, you know. Or egotists.
I vote Trump, and they’ll never release it.
And his wife had a position of some kind in the Bush Administration. So she would be in DC at some point between 2001 and 2009.
Brooke… men use prostitutes not for the sex, but for the silence. They want to have sex without the strings, without the complications of an actual mistress who has feelings and expectations.
I vote the guy is a crackpot — he represented that guy who said he was sleeping with Barack Obama too. If he was interested in this material getting out he would have sold it to Larry Flint who would be having a field day.
Wouldn’t it be cool if all of those ‘Just wait until the story comes out’ hints from the candidates ALL turned out to be true?
@deldem, although that may be one aspect of motivation for johns, other motivation includes request for behavior they don’t want to negotiate, curiosity, and, for want of a better word, portability. Links to some research is included here. http://www.livescience.com/19964-secret-service-scandal-prostitution.html
Trump was single from 1999-2007
Kasich most likely. He was a congressman 1983-2001, former alter boy, “strayed from his faith” in his early days in congress then converted to Anglican after his parents died, and has been a bible thumper ever since, even though nowadays he occasionally emphasizes “compassionate” over “conservative”
I’m with Ben, I don’t think it is anyone. If it is, it is probably a relative, associate, or former staffer of one of the candidates. Could be he has pictures of Cruz in Canadian Mounty fetish gear holding a fake copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate in one hand, while performing a same sex marriage ceremony.
One could only hope.
Ted Cruz has been working in DC since at least 1996. Yes, the ‘outsider’ has been working inside the beltway for 20 years.
Kasich was also in DC for 9 terms.
Most prostitution involves men paying women for sex. Hillary could be the one, but it is statistically unlikely.
My bet is Hillary, who prefers women to men.
FYI: The comment above is not our regular commenter Dave.
I’m going with a manufactured tempest in a tea pot, time will tell. I’m predicting fizzle, not fire. Total bummer but there it is.
I say it’s Bernie. Have you seen his wife?
Very “classy” Tommy boy. “Low-class” but very much so. Don’t you have a bridge over some cesspool to hide under? Do you ooze a slime trail when you move from place to place?
Representative John Kowalko
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Tom Kline is not actually a real person. It’s a Tea Party random phrase generator.
I think this is a shakedown. A form of blackmail.
Why shouldn’t we believe that Mr. Sibley is just waiting for someone to throw a bucket of money on him to shut up and go away.
There’s hundreds of names on that list. This will probably affect dozens of elections if all the names come out.
CRUZ!!!!!!! The guy most likely to have to pay a woman to sleep with him!! Hell Bernie could bag a chick in a bar long before Cruz closes it down solo!! He probably had to Bill Cosby them first thou. Hell even a hooker has a stomach!
If you feel it is morally correct then should way into your decision. Politics is already corrupt hiding ingo plays into there game..maybe just release the name will impact this run for president.no need to ruin the other 814 lives.
I lean towards Cruz being most likely, but that is an interesting notion that maybe it’s BILL Clinton. Sibley didn’t necessarily say that it was an actual CANDIDATE involved, just that the information was “relevant” to the election. We know Bill has a propensity for this kind of stuff. . .so would it be surprising? Not really, but it would definitely throw a monkey wrench into things. At best, it would be a yuuge PR disaster for Hillary’s campaign, requiring a ton of damage control. At worst, it could prove fatal to her campaign.
BUT….do we really think that an ex-President of the US would visit hookers and expect them to keep quiet? Sure, maybe he paid them hush money, but that rarely works so many years later. (See: Dennis Hastert). Anyway, like Trump, if Bill wanted to fool around he probably wouldn’t have had to PAY for it. More likely it was a low-level (at the time) part-time D.C.-er like Cruz, away from his wife back in Texas, who has already had rumors of infidelity swirling around him. My money’s on him, and if it turns out to be right I’m going to soooooo enjoy watching his Swaggart-esque mea culpa.
ANOTHER THOUGHT: Sibley also didn’t say that only ONE person involved with the 2016 race was in the address book. Theoretically, Cruz, Sanders, Kasich, etc. could ALL be on the list! (814 is a lot of names.) Pass the popcorn.
In the National Equirer article, it mentions 5 women that Ted Cruz had flings with, one being a DC call girl. I’m no mathematician, but I’m pretty sure that this adds up to Ted Cruz
If it’s true I would rank it as
1) Cruz (in Bush’s justice Dept and possibly before he met Heidi)
2) Bill with some Hilary acquiescence or a 3-some
3) Bernie a distant 3rd although he’s been around Washington awhile
The other 2 just don’t make sense to me. Trump has too many other options and women throw themselves at his money so why bother paying
I picture Cruz with young male prostitutes. I want to believe that Trump could not get laid without paying a lot (although I can’t begin to think what would be enough money), could be Bernie, but, what about Hillary with a male prostitute? She must have been pretty pissed at Bill at times.
It has to be Kasich! Why? Because Congress has been trying to keep it sealed! If it where Cruz,they would of released it back in December ,the Establishment hates Cruz and loves Kasich! That’s it in a nutshell! Protect the Establishment candidate! Think about it!
Consider how the story broke around 2007. Why did David Vitter’s escapades make headlines when there were 800 names on the list? Because he was prominent–a U.S. Senator. But Bernie Sanders was a U.S. Senator then too–so I have to think that he would have been outed then if he had been involved. Kasich, Trump, and Clinton were also prominent then too. Kasich was an 18-year congressman and 6-year chair of the House budget committee, a very big job in Washington. So my guess is that Sibley and/or Palfrey were trolling for big names. So who’s the only current candidate who was generally unknown then? Cruz, of course. Suppose that more recently, maybe because of published rumors on Cruz’s alleged infidelity, Sibley decided to revisit his data. Could he have found that a then-obscure philandering apparatchik in the Justice Department, the Federal Trade Commission, and the Bush campaign was none other than Ted Cruz? He’s the only one of the five who makes sense to me.
@jm “It has to be Kasich! … Think about it!”
No it makes no sense. The lawyer wouldn’t have a sense of urgency if it was Kasich. If it was him, it wouldn’t be urgent until the near the convention…
It’s got to be Cruz.
reb….that makes total sense.
It’s Trump (who’s poll numbers will undoubtedly go up with the news), both Clintons and Cruz, along with most everyone working in the White House since 1993.
George used to have big parties in the White House. Ever seen “Eyes Wide Shut”, Kubrick’s final prophecy? Actually, it’s from that old boys camp in northern California, Marin I think, but they did the same thing at those White House parties. I think maybe it’s the Bohemian Club.
Strange though, I alway though Cruz would be into little boys, but I guess that’s Kasich’s deal. And you’d have to figure, Sanders would be into free love, which I think now is legal or at least decriminalized (maybe not then), so you know he didn’t pay, unless it was a birth day gift to or from his wife.
So who’s left to run; Great, Patty Murray and Al Franken against Ron Johnson and Nikky Haley. Somebody find a fat lady or I’m gonna start singing (yeah that’s a threat).
What I want to know is, how come nobody ended up in jail?
Maybe, that’s why were trying to get to Mars.
No wonder faith, in the system, is lost, to everyone over 30.
The answer is Trump.
Look at it from this angle: lawyer claims revealing this info could change the course of the election, right? So, the loss of Cruz, Kasich or Bernie would not change the course of the election, because they are not the front runners.
Someone as narcissistic as Trump prefers to be surrounded by people who kiss (or suck) his a$$, or other parts, rather than listen to the voices in his own head.
Probably Cruz.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/photos/ted-cruz-sex-scandal-cheating-affairs-mistresses/photo/153405/
Top marks to reb. Perhaps also consider, the two week urgent deadline is just before, the New York Primary. And who wins those elections?
Or maybe Trump, who was hired by Clinton, (who was hired by everyone with money to protect the status quo related to the power structure) to remove the Republican field, hired Montgomery Blair Sibley, what a name, to further reduce the field, so that she could cake walk back into the the White House, especially, if Cruz and Jeb are on that list.
I think Trump (hate to give him credit, especially after all that crap he pulled in Jersey) might be to smart, to be the idiot he’s been. It’s as if, the entire time he’s been running, he’s in the Republican fox hole holding an unpinned grenade, asking, “dare me?”, and meanwhile systematically pissing off any swing voter, who might help him win in the general. He’s obviously not trying to win. Of course, I keep forgetting about the delusionality of anyone who’d want to be president. Dam! Wake Up America!
The pieces all seem to fall in place. The Enquirer article mentioned a Washington “call girl”. But what is more telling is Donald Trump’s tweet warning the Cruz’s that he might “spill the beans”. Everyone thought he was talking about Heidi Cruz but maybe it was Senator Cruz. Trump lives on the East Coast and has extensive contacts. He might have come across the information and for whatever reason, he has now decided to bring it out.
Why would that happen? Trump strongly feels that he is being cheated by obscure rules that are stealing away some of his delegates. If this is the case, then Trump has a connection with this lawyer and may have encouraged him to release the address the address book NOW. Trump has publicly stated that the GOP is not treating him fairly. And there was the recent closed door meeting with Republican power players.
In any case, Trump’s threat about “spilling the beans” could be a direct reference to Ted Cruz and not his wife. Perhaps Trump learned about the name in the book and has been sitting on it. With all that has happened, it might be the time to bring the information to the public. Perhaps he even has some influence on the lawyer who is holding the infamous address book.
As far as I am concerned, the GOP is getting what it deserves….. karma. All of that time and money they put into the impeachment of Bill Clinton after tricking him into lying about the famous blowjob. Despicable behavior from the Republicans.
Time for pay back. I hope the GOP pays the price.
Rick
I will bet you 100 dollars it has to be Cruz. Just look at his eyes, that fool like getting a nice and warm BJ after work. Something tells me that guy is cheating on his wife. If this scandal happens to be true, that fool could lose everything and possible a divorce just like the Alabama governor sex phone tape scandal. I can’t wait to see who’s number it is.
I think it’s Bernie… He’s the epitome of “self-righteous, moralistic a-hole!”
I’m not a regular here but curious about Cruz. I skimmed the comments here and think it is Cruz. He reminds of the kind of guy that is as cold as ice, beats his wife behind closed doors and makes excuses for her for not attending the church fundraiser and dutifully goes in her place. You know , the villain that wants to look like a saint and his wife is the problem type.
Anyway, I have no idea if this is credible but this url claims to have an interview with his D.C. escort. She claims to be concerned about harm from him since he is running for President whereas if he remained a Senator it wouldn’t matter much. She is going by the name of “Jane Doe”.
I thought this would also fit Cruz even though he claims to be Baptist.
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Jane Doe: Some clients do and some do not, he never said anything about being married. He seemed to need mothering of some sort, before we engaged in some of his requested acts.
Detective: Requested acts?
Jane Doe: sometimes I would dress as a catholic school girl for role play, that is popular with many clients though. Other times he would request for me to dress like a judge.
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Detective: What locations would you meet him?
Jane Doe: Houston/Dallas and I have been to Alexandria as well.
Detective: Virginia?
Jane Doe: Yes
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At this time, we are deciding to either pass this on to syndicated publication or what are our legal options. We will update once a decision is made.
https://avengersocial.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/interview-with-a-candy-wrapper-the-lollipop-edition/
Again, I have no idea if these folks are nuts or if they are legitimate. The facts I am sure of, is he is very creepy and has to pay for it. Also he has a very dysfunctional background and this could fit him.
Also here is another link on it and identifies the escort as Felicia.
Stew Webb Federal Whistle blower – Activist 31 years
US Intel Breaking News
Anonymous Threat Ted Cruz Alleged Prostitution Secret
http://www.stewwebb.com/2016/03/30/anonymous-threat-ted-cruz-alleged-prostitution-secret/
Any thoughts on this?
“Any thoughts on this?”
Yes. Who gives a crap?
Anyone else find it curious that this story has yet to show up on CNN?
I’m curious about why it’s shown up anywhere beyond the Enquirer. Don’t you people know how to access porn? If so, why are you obsessed with who ugly people like politicians do it with?
Rachel Maddow has led with this DC madam story a few nights in a row….so I don’t think its not total crap. I think the Supreme Court even put on their docket on whether to allow release of names…
It’s Hillary! Here is why: The Lawyer said that it is of “Great National Importance” in other words it would have a great impact on the outcome of the elections. On the National Polls, Hillary is winning over Trump, so Trump wouldn’t be elected, therefor it wouldn’t make any difference if shtuff came out about him. Cruz is behind Trump, no case to build there, so are the rest
In Hillary’s case though, if it is her or Billy and she kept silent like she did with Lewinski, and as she has proven she is very ambitious about becoming the first female president, I can very well conclude it has to do with the Clintons .
In the end, the WINNER IS…….SANDERS.
HAPPY ENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, no one else is very ambitious about becoming president. No ego involved. LOL!
US News & World Report thought it was worth the coverage, as well as NBC/MSNBC.
Lia, its clearly not Hillary.
Don’t you know by now the Clintons don’t pay for anything!
Hillary won’t even give a college speech for free.
“US News & World Report thought it was worth the coverage, as well as NBC/MSNBC.”
Just because profit-driven media has to pander to morons, that’s no reason for you clowns to turn this into your litter box.
aaanonymous says:
April 2, 2016 at 9:41 am
“Any thoughts on this?”
Yes. Who gives a crap?
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If that is the case for you, WHY are you here?
It matters!
The last thing we need in the WH Is another lying cheat.
Moving on …
BAD NEWS FOR LYIN’ TED:
Supreme Court Adds DC Madam Case To Official Docket
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Anonymous might or might not have already released the phone records showing Ted Cruz is the guilty party. You can read about that here and here.
Honestly, I am surprised that SCOTUS responded this quickly. Sibley just filed on Monday, and it was added to the docket today. It doesn’t automatically mean they will take up the case, but it does mean Justice Roberts is taking it seriously, as he should. And the other 3 courts who have been ignoring Sibley for months should be ridiculed and ashamed.
Blair Sibley, with his Texas-size cojones in full view, told MSNBC today he will release the list of names if the Supreme Court denies him. So this shit is absolutely, positively going to be released. Either legally or illegally.
http://dailybail.com/home/bad-news-for-lyin-ted-supreme-court-adds-dc-madam-case-to-of.html
It’s looking more and more like Rafael Edward Cruz more commonly known as “Ted”might be the guy with the HUGE moral flaw …. Justice Roberts DOES have things to hide tooo… so to keep his stuff hidden and how HATED Cruz is, he’ll probably legally okay the release and please the establishment machine who hates Ted.
No one would be shocked, and it wouldn’t change my support for Hillary if it were Bill, but weren’t he and Trump friends during this period? What if it was a three way Bill, Donald and a prostitute?
“If that is the case for you, WHY are you here?
It matters!
The last thing we need in the WH Is another lying cheat.”
Bullshit. You’re a bunch of sheet-sniffers.
Bullshit. You’re a bunch of sheet-sniffers.
If you are thinking outside of the box, why then you are sitting on the Round Table?
About the level of discourse I’d expect from a sheet-sniffer.
Notice that most of the commenters on this thread have never been here before and have nothing to talk about except gossip about who’s fucking whom. I think that speaks for itself.
Sheesh, AAA. Weren’t you paying attention to the comments? It has to be the only candidate running who has ambition.
Anyone else notice an excessive amount of tin foil this election cycle?
@pandora: This thread is like a magnet for tin foil.
calling Bernie Sanders a self-righteous, moralistic a-hole??? and saying hillary is the least likely? go fuck yourself. fucking bought out by hillary. cuckold.
This story has kind of died on the vine hasn’t it? We get a few hits because of the headline, but I haven’t heard of any new developments.