Monday Open Thread [7.25.16]
Here is the schedule highlights for the Democratic National Convention.
Monday’s theme: United Together
Gavel time expected at 4:30 pm Eastern
Headlining speakers: first lady Michelle Obama, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, DREAMer Astrid SilvaTuesday’s theme: “A Lifetime of Fighting for Children and Families”
Gavel time expected at 4:30 pm Eastern
The roll call vote to officially nominate Hillary Clinton begins Tuesday.
Headlining speakers: former President Bill Clinton and Mothers of the Movement, including Eric Garner’s mother Gwen Carr, Trayvon Martin’s mother Sybrina Fulton, Dontré Hamilton’s mother Maria Hamilton, Jordan Davis’s mother Lucia McBath, Michael Brown’s mother Lesley McSpadden, Hadiya Pendleton’s mother Cleopatra Pendleton-Cowley, and Sandra Bland’s mother Geneva Reed-VealWednesday’s theme: “Working Together”
Gavel time expected at 4:30 pm Eastern
Headlining speakers: President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe BidenThursday’s theme: “Stronger Together”
Headlining speakers: Hillary Clinton and Chelsea Clinton
Gavel time expected at 4:30 pm EasternHere is the full schedule.
Interesting, where is Tim Kaine? He will be added to the Wednesday schedule. The Dems have too much star power.
The headlining speakers speak during the 10 pm hour. That’s 6 hours a day of speaking time left, some of which will be taken up by adopting the Platform and the Rules (on Monday) and going through the roll call starting on Tuesday where we tally up the delegate votes between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. I wonder if Bernie will pull a Hillary here and move to accept Hillary’s nomination by acclamation, which is what Hillary did half way through the roll call in 2008. Bernie has been very restrained during this past weekend, and I actually appreciate that. He has not gone nuts over the DNC emails, except to rightly say he was right and to say that he has been calling for DWS to resign for months. That’s all fair. And while he delivered some mild criticism of Tim Kaine, he was still a happy warrior about the need to elect Hillary Clinton.
In other words, Bernie realizes he has won a lot. He won the platform. He won a Primary Process Unity Commission that will look at reforms for 2020 and he won an immediate reform of the Super Delegates, tying most of them to the vote in their states, and he finally got DWS fired. I think we will see a great speech from Bernie tonight.
All of these people will be speaking too:
Congressional leadership: Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (NV); House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (CA)
Members of Congress: Sen. Tim Kaine (VA), Hillary Clinton’s VP pick; Sen. Elizabeth Warren (MA); Sen. Cory Booker (NJ); Sen. Barbara Boxer (CA); Sen. Sherrod Brown (OH); Sen. Bob Casey (PA); Sen. Al Franken (MN); Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (NY); Sen. Amy Klobuchar (MN); Sen. Chris Murphy (CT); Sen. Chuck Schumer (NY); Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (NH); Sen. Jeff Merkley (OR); Sen. Barbara Mikulski (MD); Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (NY); Rep. Raul Grijalva (AZ); Rep. Joyce Beatty (OH); Rep. Xavier Becerra (CA); Rep. Brendan Boyle (PA); Rep. Bob Brady (PA); Rep. Joaquín Castro (TX); Rep. Keith Ellison (MN); Rep. Joe Kennedy (MA); Rep. Linda Sanchez (CA); Rep. James Clyburn (SC); Rep. Joseph Crowley (NY); Rep. Ben Ray Luján (NM); Rep. G.K. Butterfield (NC); Rep. Judy Chu (CA); Rep. Maxine Waters (CA); Rep. Ruben Gallego (Arizona); Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham (NM); Rep. Luis Gutierrez (IL); Rep. Adam Schiff (CA); Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (TX); Rep. Ted Lieu (CA); Rep. Nita Lowey (NY); Rep. Gwen Moore (WI); Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (Washington, DC)
Mayors: New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio; Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan; Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti; Chillicothe, Ohio, Mayor Luke Feeney; Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed; Flint, Michigan, Mayor Karen Weaver; Columbia, South Carolina, Mayor Steve Benjamin; Former Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa; Boston Mayor Marty Walsh; Tallahassee, Florida, Mayor Andrew Gillum; Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney.
Governors: Gov. Tom Wolf (PA); Gov. Jerry Brown (CA); Gov. Andrew Cuomo (NY); Gov. Mark Dayton (MN); Gov. John Hickenlooper (CO); Gov. Terry McAuliffe (VA); Gov. Dannel Malloy (CT); Former Gov. Howard Dean (VT); Former Gov. Jennifer Granholm (MI); Former Gov. Martin O’Malley (MD)
Democratic politicians, Democratic Party members, former officials: Former Rep. Gabby Giffords (AZ); Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom (CA); State Sen. Pat Spearman (NV); State Rep. Raumesh Akbari (TN); State Rep. Peggy Flanagan (MN); Majority Leader State Rep. Crisanta Duran (CO); Former State Rep. Bakari Sellers (SC); State party chair Jaime Harrison (SC); Former Sen. Tom Harkin (IA); State Sen. Ruben Kihuen (NV); Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes (KY); Former Congressman and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta; Former Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey; Former state Sen. Jason Carter (GA); State Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal (IA); DNC Vice Chair Donna Brazile
Activists, interest groups, motivational speakers: Jesse Jackson, civil rights leader;
DREAMer Astrid Silva; Cecile Richards, Planned Parenthood Action Fund president; Lee Saunders
, AFSCME president; Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO president; Randi Weingarten,
American Federation of Teachers president; Eric Garner’s mother, Gwen Carr; Trayvon Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton; Dontré Hamilton’s mother, Maria Hamilton; Jordan Davis’s mother, Lucia McBath; Michael Brown’s mother, Lesley McSpadden
Hadiya Pendleton’s mother, Cleopatra Pendleton-Cowley; Sandra Bland’s mother, Geneva Reed-Veal; Anastasia Somoza, intellectual and developmental disabilities advocate; Karla & Francisca Ortiz, undocumented immigrants; Kate Burdick, staff attorney at the Juvenile Law Center in Philadelphia; Anton Moore, founder of a nonprofit focused on educating youth on gun violence; Dustin Parsons, Arkansas elementary school teacher; Joe Sweeney, New York police detective during the 9/11 attacks; Lauren Manning, 9/11 survivor; Ryan Moore, health care reform advocate; Erica Smegielski, daughter of principal of Sandy Hook Elementary School, who died in the shooting; Felicia Sanders & Polly Sheppard, Charleston church shooting survivors; Jamie Dorff, wife of helicopter pilot who died in northern Iraq; Beth Mathias, Ohio supporter; Khizr Khan, father of an American Muslim who died serving in the US Army; Lily Eskelsen García, National Education Association president; Mary Kay Henry, SEIU president; Sean McGarvey, Building Trades president; Ilyse Hogue, NARAL president; Chad Griffin, president of the Human Rights Campaign; Gene Karpinski, League of Conservation Voters president; Sarah McBride, LGBTQ rights activist; Stephanie Schriock, EMILY’s List president; Neera Tanden, Center for American Progress Action Fund president
Celebrities, athletes, entertainers: Katy Perry, musician; Demi Lovato, musician; Lena Dunham, writer, actor, director; Chloe Grace Moretz, actor; Eva Longoria, actor; America Ferrera, actor; Debra Messing, actor; Captain Mark Kelly, astronaut; Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, basketball player; Jason Collins, basketball player; Tony Goldwyn, actor
Military: Gen. John Allen (ret. USMC); Rear Adm. John Hutson (Ret. USN)
Politico: “Stephanie Schriock, the president of EMILY’s List, is the leading candidate. In addition to running EMILY’s List, Schriock managed Senate races for Al Franken and John Tester and has very close ties with the Clinton campaign.”
E.J. Dionne Jr. at The Washington Post asks whether hope trump fear in Philadelphia?
Democrats will be battling what they see as a false equivalence in the media that casts both major-party candidates in the same light because of surveys giving each of them historically high negative scores. Clinton’s campaign wants Democrats (who will form a large part of the television audience) to come away with new enthusiasm for their candidate, and swing voters to see Clinton as far more ready than Trump, by experience and temperament, to be president.
Accentuating the positive will also be important because Trump has bet his candidacy on his ability to persuade a sufficient share of the electorate that the nation really is in the midst of a catastrophic crisis.
Here is where the minority of Americans who pay close attention to both conventions will suffer from an acute case of whiplash: Democrats will not only be arguing that Clinton offers a better future; they will be vigorously defending President Obama’s legacy.
Republicans may come to regret their decision to harness Clinton and Obama together as twin authors of a national apocalypse.
Nicholas Kristof finds the evidence pretty compelling that Trump is a racist. I also find the evidence pretty compelling that the sky is blue.
“Here we have a man who for more than four decades has been repeatedly associated with racial discrimination or bigoted comments about minorities, some of them made on television for all to see. While any one episode may be ambiguous, what emerges over more than four decades is a narrative arc, a consistent pattern — and I don’t see what else to call it but racism.”
Sanders has gained a lot of dignity and moral authority with this campaign ; HRC and DWS have their reputations in tatters! Damaged, flawed ‘ leaders,’ and I use that word loosely.
More about the emails. (But LE don’t let that stop you from falsely accusing me again that I’ve posted nothing about them.)
One of the emails actually shows some collision between a Clinton campaign staffer and the DNC regarding Sanders. That sherry surprises me.
http://wpo.st/dEWo1
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How did any of this undermine Sanders’ candidacy? It would have been malpractice for Clinton’s lawyer to not reach out to respond to allegations of illegal fundraising with the DNC. Is it collusion? Maybe. But if Bernie was going to accuse these groups of illegal activity, then it can’t be a surprise that these groups worked on a pushback.
I think you want to include Captain Mark Kelley with the military list, not with the celebrities and athletes list.
” I wonder if Bernie will pull a Hillary here and move to accept Hillary’s nomination by acclamation”
I’d like to see a poll about that. I would bet money or, since it’s summer, a bottle of fine unoaked chardonnay that he does not make that motion.
Aside from Obama, the person I would most like to hear is Rep. Gabby Giffords. Partially to see how well she has recovered. Her husband also might be interesting. Pretty decent lineup.
Tonight’s Keynote Speaker is Elizabeth Warren
If Warren was the nominee or even on the ticket, I would be working for the campaign in every possible way
The Agony and the Ignorance — In which we find Sanders supporters still repeating wingnut Clinton talking points — this time they are chanting “Lock Her Up” in Philly.
Seriously, I don’t care if you are still holding out for Bernie to be the nominee (because an indictment is about the only way that happens at this point) and I don’t care if you are still whinging about people not paying attention to your revolution (I’m a veteran of the Howard Dean campaign, so I know how this story works out), but repeating wingnut talking points? Toxic ones, at that. I do care that you are just being stupid now. We thought that the RNC was stupid for this mess last week and you don’t get a pass for repeating that stupidity this week.
“this time they are chanting “Lock Her Up” in Philly.”
The fringe of the fringe. Wake me up when they start chanting that inside the hall.
“If Warren was the nominee or even on the ticket, I would be working for the campaign in every possible way”
There will be enough work keeping Hillary’s agenda as progressive as possible. I am happy to have Warren in the Senate for that.
Oh my. That’s really stupid. And they are the fringe, but that doesn’t excuse ridiculous behavior. I’m sure they’ll get a ton of coverage.
Re: the poll
I have thought several times of how HST was basically born to cover this election. The going has definitely gotten weird.
So here is something I did not know. In some states or cities that have raised minimum wage requirements, there is a carve-out for employers that hire union to pay less than the minimum wage floor. Apparently there are ads being targeted to delegates (from an anti-union group) to tell them about it too.
So what would be the point of that carve-out? Maybe it makes the union workers more competitive, but it certainly does it at the expense of a better wage. Which isn’t exactly a union message.
@LG — that’s what I have been thinking since the beginning of the RNC convention last week and that is what inspired this poll. There isn’t a single day since last Monday where I wished I could open up RS and see what HST had to say about the proceedings.
” I wonder if Bernie will pull a Hillary here and move to accept Hillary’s nomination by acclamation”
I hope he does and especially now that the email scandal has brought more division to the party. If he doesn’t do it, I will be very disappointed.
Cassandra – This is the first that I’ve seen the union carve-out. If I were to guess, I would say that the unions are providing benefits that more than make up for the difference between the higher hourly wage at Walmart with no benefits.
Alternatively, the unions might have asked for it in order to give them an unfair advantage over other, non-unionized shops. That is certainly the less charitable theory.
@DG “More about the emails. (But LE don’t let that stop you from falsely accusing me again that I’ve posted nothing about them.)
One of the emails actually shows some collision between a Clinton campaign staffer and the DNC regarding Sanders. That sherry surprises me.”
Did you actually look at the dates on those emails.
Emails from when AFTER sanders had already lost do not make your case. Sorry. They just don’t despite how you pretend that they do.
Instead of just spouting crap, how about some real thought from you???
You have not posted ANY relevant emails.
To paraphrase Liberal Elite and cassandra_m: So you’ve found a smoking gun, but I need to examine the bullets.
So here’s the LA Times reporting on a carveout for union workers there.
BTW, I really like the lilly-white progressive marches in Philadelphia.
I haven’t tuned into the convention yet, nemski. What’s going on?
It’s just iPhone videos of marches in Center City on Facebook. I’d share them but they are quite shitty.
Thanks for that link… It’s a bit disturbing. It appears to be a gambit to lock the hotels (and other shops) into unionizing their employees. In light of declining membership for the past few decades, it’s a worthy goal, but this is a pretty crappy way to get there. It looks like everyone wants to solve the economic problems wrought by Reaganism on the backs of the poorest among us.
@LE Get off my case. It doesn’t matter how many primaries were occurring then for the actions of DWS to be wrong. But if you must know, 15 primaries were occurring in May and June, including the biggest and decisive one in June: California. So your attempt at this diversion has also failed.
http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/
So you’ve found a smoking gun, but I need to examine the bullets.
It’s more like I can see people waving around guns, now show me who got hurt.
Okay, I just popped over to the convention twitter feed. Did Bernie just get booed by his supporters? Am I reading this wrong? Is this the press spinning as usual?
One hopeful sign in the platform is that it speaks of the minimum wage as a “living wage,” I think for the first time (not sure). This clearly breaks from the pretense that a minimum wage is intended to be an entry level or training wage.
I think there is a case for a sub-minimum entry level or training wage, but only in the context of a real career path with real marketable skills at the end of the rainbow, like an apprenticeship. Perhaps with a lifetime one-year limit on receiving that entry-level wage. Or a cap on having more than 10% of your workforce receive the entry-level wage.
I came back here to post this Politico article that reports that Bernie just got booed. A friend of mine is in the room and she hasn’t reported that out yet.
I took it the booing happened when Bernie mentioned Hillary.
@DG “But if you must know, 15 primaries were occurring in May and June, including the biggest and decisive one in June: California.”
Only Bernie Sanders and a few of his crazed followers believe that there was still any sort of race after NY. If emails after NY show the DNC trying to push BS off the stage, then good. That’s exactly what they should be doing.
“So your attempt at this diversion has also failed.”
Diversion? You’re the one with outrageous claims followed by vicious pontification. When called on it, all you did was bob and weave and post non sequitur crap.
So… Exactly which email(s) should I be ashamed of???
I’m still rather unclear on this point.
When he asked his supporters to support Hillary is when he got booed.
Well, at least we have learned one thing from this election. As Tom Tomorrow so ably points out in today’s bonus-length RNC cartoon, the fact that robots from the future have not shown up to intervene proves time travel is impossible.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/25/1550560/-Cartoon-RNC-recap
“When he asked his supporters to support Hillary is when he got booed.”
That’s a boo for Hillary.
Okay, I just found videos of Bernie supporters protesting. Nemski is correct in his unflattering description. Goodness, these groups look like that photo of Republican interns. 😉
“When he asked his supporters to support Hillary is when he got booed.” Such a classy group.
“Only Bernie Sanders and a few of his crazed followers believe that there was still any sort of race after NY.”
Every analyst said that it was mathematically possible for Bernie to win the nomination up through California. So you are just lying now. As long as it was still possible for Sanders to win, DWS should have remained neutral. Anyone not morally challenged finds that obvious. But you don’t. You are just trolling me at this point. You keep instigating me to answer irrelavancies. Stop it.
I hate to sound like a turncoat, but cold all we non-Republicans focus for a minute here?
Once Hillary Clinton is elected, we will have four years to hector her over her shortcomings — though I suspect that, as with Obama, the attacks from the right will be so over-the-top I’ll have to end up defending her even when I don’t agree with her.
As I said to Fighting Blue Hen yesterday, we are not waging a normal political contest here. If Trump were running against Bush, I’d vote for Bush (I admit that if he were running against Cheney, I’d have to abstain.) Trump is an insult to the entire American enterprise of a self-ruling democratic republic. If he is elected, we might as well acknowledge that we are incapable of governing ourselves. He simply cannot be allowed to win. All other considerations pale in comparison.
“Every analyst said that it was mathematically possible for Bernie to win the nomination up through California”
Many things are mathematically possible, if not probable. I can’t recall the exact percentages (DD posted them often), but in April didn’t Bernie need to win every remaining primary by 60%+? That percentage grew higher after every primary, so, yeah, the math was in – the primary was over. A fact we all understood in 2008.
“When he asked his supporters to support Hillary is when he got booed.”
Revolutionaries do not support an individual, they support revolution. Sanders is not the leader he is just in front of the herd. If he slows down they’ll trample his a**. His inability to stem the stampede by turning the herd is simply a reflection of his capabilities.
“but in April didn’t Bernie need to win every remaining primary by 60%+? That percentage grew higher after every primary, so, yeah, the math was in – the primary was over. A fact we all understood in 2008.”
So is the implication that DWS didn’t have to be neutral at 60%? Maybe not at 51% So what is the point you are making? That she’s off the hook in May in being a neutral administrator? That would be crazy.
Actually, the onus is on the ones who are inclined to suggest DWS did nothing wrong. Why did she resign after these emails came out when they showed nothing ethically wrong? Why are even Hillary’s campaign team spokespersons suggesting that it’s good she resigned if she did nothing wrong? If she was supposed to work to get Bernie out of the race in May, then why is she leaving if she’s squeaky clean?
My Iphone 5 is dying and they are so expensive. Abusive monopoly with this cell phone crap
@DG “So what is the point you are making? That she’s off the hook in May in being a neutral administrator?”
This is what all party centers do. Do you think the RNC didn’t play a role at shooing their 18 losers off the stage???
“That would be crazy.”
No. Crazy is pretending (and acting on that presence) that it wasn’t over when it really was.
Oh.. And you know full well it was over… so what are you doing???
For the love of the FSM. No one here has defended DWS or the DNC. You are rewriting a lot of history. Funny how in 2008 math mattered. We actually prided ourselves on it.
DWS is gone. If you want to keep at this fine, but you can play with yourself. Because I have no idea what your end game is on this. She’s out. What more are you looking for?
“Goodness, these groups look like that photo of Republican interns. ”
Are we white-shaming now? To me, they looked like the protesters who brought down LBJ and speeded the end to the Vietnam war.
“Such a classy group.”
You fight a revolution with the revolutionaries you have, not the ones you wish you had.
Is white shaming like reverse racism? 😉
And Nemski called them lily-white! (Yep, that’s me throwing nemski under the bus. 🙂 )
The DNC trying to get “intel” (think of the implications of that word) from members of the Sanders campaign itself. Wanting to get (or use?) moles.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4776
I ashamed of being a white male
That’s true and I love when the banking industry piggies have to testify in the senate and how they squirm when Warren questions them
I would vote for Trump over Cheney. Trump is just an egotistic idiot. Cheney is a torturer and murderer who profited from being a butcher
The theme of the day so far has been, “Bernie was right.” Don’t you wonder what else he will be proved right about?
YES. Great theme: “Bernie was right.!”
DWS blown off the stage, Elizabeth Warren talking populism and finishing with Bernie!!!
“DWS blown off the stage, Elizabeth Warren talking populism and finishing with Bernie!!!”
All in all, a very successful day for the revolution.
Why did she resign after these emails came out when they showed nothing ethically wrong?
No one here is making the argument about ethically wrong.
Yeah, that’s not the theme. I turned on the convention and the press are wallowing in the “Sanders booed by supporters. Sanders can’t control his supporters.” That’s sooooo not fair, but it’s the theme on every flipping channel.
Bernie texts his supporters: “I ask you as a personal courtesy to me to not engage in any kind of protest on the floor,” Sanders wrote in a text message to his delegate whips, Yahoo reported. “Its [sic] of utmost importance you explain this to your delegations.”
The text was signed “Bernie.”
Meanwhile… Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-OH) was named the permanent DNC chair and was booed during her speech opening the convention.
And… Chuck Todd (Ugh!) just said this convention is worse than the RNC convention and that Sanders can’t control his people.
There’s the theme right now and it’s such BS.
Well, Bernie supporters will now be blamed if Hillary loses. Good job guys.
Go Bernie! Give Humpty Hillary a run for her money..
Here’s Digby’s take on DWS and the emails:
http://www.salon.com/2016/07/25/she_had_to_go_schultzs_resignation_will_hopefully_start_the_healing_within_the_democratic_party/
Meanwhile, Nate Silver has put Trump in the lead.
So @LE why did the DNC apologize to the Sander’s campaign if they did nothing wrong? Where’s your sense of embarrassment for excusing and minimizing what what virtually no one now thinks is inexcusable?
@a “Meanwhile, Nate Silver has put Trump in the lead.”
No he hasn’t. Not for either of his prediction methods.
Right. I’m making it up.
http://www.salon.com/2016/07/25/shock_poll_nate_silvers_election_forecast_now_has_trump_winning/
@DG “So @LE why did the DNC apologize to the Sander’s campaign if they did nothing wrong?”
To appease angry people.
“Where’s your sense of embarrassment for excusing and minimizing what what virtually no one now thinks is inexcusable?”
Look… I don’t like the emails any more then you do, but I’m not going to spout lies about them.
Bottom line. The emails you cited did NOT support your claims or your admonishments. And now you want to litigate a different story and try for different admonishments??
…and even the one you just posted (4:03PM), was from well after Sanders had already lost.
You cannot claim that anyone tilted the primary election for something that was written after the election was over and done.
Anonymous, are we talking about recent polls or election forecast? Because I’m at 538 and here’s the headline:
Election Update: Trump Gets Convention Bounce, Drawing Polls To Dead Heat
But the forecasts (right hand side at top of 538 politics page) still show Hillary leading.
It seems like they’re referring to the “now-cast” which is if the election were held today – after the the RNC convention and before the Dem convention, so I’m not sure what that means.