Friday Open Thread [8.5.16]
Watch this video to see President Obama jamming out to Eminem. And some other pretty great behind the scenes stuff.
NATIONAL–PRESIDENT–NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl–Clinton 47, Trump 38
NATIONAL–PRESIDENT–McClatchy/Marist–Clinton 48, Trump 33
NATIONAL–PRESIDENT–Reuters/Ipsos–Clinton 43, Trump 39
FLORIDA–PRESIDENT–Suffolk University–Clinton 48, Trump 42
GEORGIA–PRESIDENT–Atlanta Journal-Constitution–Clinton 44, Trump 40
A New Latino Voice poll in Florida finds Donald Trump getting just 12.9% support from Hispanic voters, “a historical low for a Republican candidate.” Mitt Romney and John McCain each won roughly 40% of the Hispanic vote in the state.
Paul Nehlen (R), who is running against Speaker Paul Ryan (R) in a Wisconsin primary and has been praised by Donald Trump, told a radio station that the United States should have a “discussion” about deporting all Muslims from the United States. Said Nehlen: “The question is, why do we have Muslims in the country?”
.@washingtonpost: Donald Trump can’t stop bringing up imagined stories that involve evil Muslimshttps://t.co/lXpSAJUUx4
— Jesse Lehrich (@JesseLehrich) August 4, 2016
Josh Marshall on what we should glean from the recent polls:
First, Clinton got a sizable bounce out of her convention. That bounce appears not only to be persisting but actually growing. That’s a big deal. It’s still too soon to say we’re in the post-convention period. I’d say we need about a week more to be there. But historically speaking where the polls are a week or two out of the conventions tends to remain fairly stable. There aren’t a lot of opportunities to really change the game. The debates are the big exception. But for all frenzy, there have been few cases where the presidential debates have really reset the race. People say a lot that three months is a long time, that polls are only a snap shot of the race as it stands today. All true. But we’re coming up on the phase of the campaign where polls really start to matter and become much more predictive of the outcome.
Second, it’s not just a Clinton bounce. Trump’s support appears to have eroded significantly. What counts as ‘significantly’ or ‘a lot’ is relative of course. We’re only talking a few percentage points. But national elections, especially in this hyper-partisan era, play out in a highly constrained band. And Trump has fallen below what I and I suspect most other observers consider a key benchmark, 40%. […]
The last point is where this goes from here. Of course, we don’t know. But the events of the last couple days suggest the institutional GOP, the top elected officials, stakeholders, funders and so forth are at something of a breaking point with Trump. Unfortunately they don’t have any clear place to break to.
Secret Service agents walk on stage during Hillary Clinton rally https://t.co/Btp1na4Pxt
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) August 4, 2016
A little context here, the protesters were from this really really fringe of the fringe group that believes animals have constitutional rights and thus cannot be eaten. One of them rushed the stage, and you can see Hillary not take her eyes off the rusher until he was contained. But that was a quick comeback from Hillary on Trump’s killing animals.
“When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different.” — Donald Trump, quoted by the New Yorker.
“I don’t know why we’re not leading by a lot. Maybe crowds don’t make the difference.” — Donald Trump, quoted by Politico at a large campaign rally.
No shit. On both counts.
"That’s what 21st century feminism is about: The idea that when everybody is equal, we are all more free." —@POTUS https://t.co/6Ou7XEOE3j
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) August 4, 2016
Several hours after Tennessee state Rep. Curry Todd (R) was arrested on a warrant charging him with stealing primary challenger Mark Lovell’s (R) campaign signs, the incumbent was due to be released on bond, the Memphis Commercial Appeal reports.
And who posted that $100 bond? None other than Lovell himself.
Explained Lovell to the Washington Post: “Shoot, I felt sorry for him. Wouldn’t you be sad if you were a state representative and nobody would come bail your ass out of jail?”
Jonathan Chait says Trump proves that I, Delaware Dem, was right all along about the nature of the right’s opposition to Obama: “As careful studies of the tea-party movement revealed, what animated Republican voters was a fear of cultural change. Their anti-statism was confined to programs that seemed to benefit people other than themselves. Racial resentment and ethnocentrism, not passion for limited government, drove the conservative base.”
“Almost alone within the party, Trump understood this. That is why his comically long list of ideological deviations never hurt him. Trump’s racism demonstrated to most Republican voters that he stood with them on the essential divide that ordered their political world — one defined by identity more than ideology.”
“In the conservative elite’s imagination, the romanticized history of the tea-party revolt — a story of liberty-loving Americans rising up against Big Government excess — still prevails. It is a story that attributes the party’s extraordinary opposition to the president’s policies, not to the primal fears he aroused. Trump has not only disproven the conservative movement’s theory of its own base. He’s disproven its history of the Obama presidency.”
They opposed him with such vehemence because they were and are racists. And being racist explains why Trump has won the GOP nomination. The GOP is racist. Trump is racist. It is a match made in hell.
…the events of the last couple days suggest the institutional GOP, the top elected officials, stakeholders, funders and so forth are at something of a breaking point with Trump. Unfortunately they don’t have any clear place to break to.
I have a theory. Republicans are going to openly and secretly adopt this guy:
It will further divide the GOP between the Cruz-ite Jesus lovers and the “establishment” but it will also isolate the Trumpian White Nationalist Party. And nobody wants to be a part of that catastrofuck.
It has been my dream for a while that the GOP must die, and be replaced by the Libertarian Party. The Libertarian Party is the true opposite of the liberal Democrats in terms of the view of government and fiscal policy.
If we are to have a two-party system, the opposition party to Democrats will naturally be an electoral minority. The Reagan coalition isn’t coming back.
DD: It seems like a natural fit, doesn’t it? The GOP is already halfway there, what with its hatred of regulations and all.
But here’s the problem: Business does not really want government to get out of the way. Business wants government to serve business’ interests. You see this in a microcosm on the immigration issue — business interests want the cheap labor, which hurts the people they count on for votes. And, to quote a famous Republican, a house divided against itself cannot stand.
Libertarians are against government handouts for anyone, poor people or corporations, and they’re notoriously cheap. Who’d pay for the election campaigns?
That’s a good point, and one that Uncle Noam makes time and again. It isn’t “smaller government” it is “smaller government for poor people” large and generous government for everyone else.
That isn’t to say that Libertarians couldn’t put on the skin of “smaller government” business republicans and keep the gift going. When they realize what’s in it for them, they’d probably be eager to.
https://youtu.be/13WnKLc9JB0
“Trump is on message. His message is being a loudmouth dick.” – Republican strategist Liz Mair
Well put.
““Trump is on message.”
Ye reap what ye sow. He is the GOP’s worst nightmare. For the rest of us, he is our greatest hope. This calamity must be seen through to the end. And the rest of the GOP ticket must suffer. They created Trump by pandering to the cretins that are Trump’s supporters.
America needs a robust two party system. Any country under a unitary party system is bound to creep towards the extreme in the long run. A strong counterweight ensures that there are some constraints. I know how the GOP got to this point. What I don’t understand is why didn’t they foresee this outcome? Maybe the GOP are the Whigs and the Libertarians will become the responsible counterweight.
“catastrofuck” – best new non word I have learned in a while!
Oh, look! While Wilmington falls apart, some of the old-time hacks have gotten their clubhouse! Williams’ desperation at work:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/08/04/major-step-forward-wilmingtons-african-american-heritage-center/88041578/
^^^Yes. I am stunned that the City gave them this building without any real funding stream to keep it up or to develop it. There was a great deal o controversy when then Mayor Baker gave the $1M he was holding for an African American History museum to the DHS instead of to these folks. There was a solid reason for that.
Must read tweetstorm of the day from Sarah McBride Who Shuts Down Clint Eastwood’s Defense of Donald Trump’s Racism
Boooooooo!
Joe went through with the DWS fundraiser in Miami:
This is too good to not share, as a follow up of the video above.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/5/1557066/-Ever-wondered-how-Clinton-and-Trump-would-react-to-the-unexpected-Now-you-can-watch-and-see