I had to turn the sound down, so I’m just watching and reading you guys. The way HRC’s voice grates other people, these smooth-talking tones grate on me.
We forget that this is what politicians sound like. We have been spoiled by the intelligent and on-point discourse from Obama, from Bill Clinton, and even Hillary.
Live Facebook feed from The Late Show with Stephen Colbert at the North Shore Animal League — image of cats playing in a pen with a TV in the background. Much easier to deal with this way.
Pence was a cool customer. Kaine kept interrupting and was very annoying, Kaine was also over prepared and not loose. The moderator had no control of this thing. Pence helped himself. He worked it hard with the GOP party folks on the pro- life issue. He will pull all the Ted Cruz supporters in the party now,
@c ” He will pull all the Ted Cruz supporters in the party now,”
They were already there.
The most telling thing is that the prediction markets have failed to move at all for Trump. In fact, his prediction market value just lost about 5% of its value sometime during the debate. That’s not much, but it makes a liar of anyone claiming a big win for Pence.
I suspect that the reason for the drop in Trump’s betting numbers reflects a lost opportunity to change the race, and Trump is simply running out of such opportunities.
Pence did a decent job of attacking Hillary’s foreign policy.
If the Republicans hadn’t elected guy who literally can’t go 5 minutes without saying something outrageously stupid they’d probably be beating Clinton. The problem is that most of the attacks Pence could have used would be directly refuted by idiotic things Trump has said. His budget is fiscal Armageddon, he’s a 2nd Amendment”supporter” who wants to randomly stop and frisk people, he’s lost on foreign policy and cozying up to the Russians, and he’s completely ceded the personal accountability high ground with the combo of tax returns/Trump Foundation craziness. It’s like Christine O’Donnell on the National level, complete with stiffing people who you owe money to.
She’s pretty vulnerable on Iraq (even though the SOFA wasn’t her fault), Russian aggression, the Iran deal, and the Arab Spring.
Either way, I don’t see this changing the race. Tim Kaine didn’t disqualify himself, Pence was handcuffed by the top of the ticket on most of his attacks and even if he hadn’t been he is not the type of guy who is going to pull in independent/3rd party voters. He shored up a base that was already shored up. Maybe they’ll win Alabama by 22 points instead of 19 now or something.
Can we all give up the notion that moderators can control the participants? When they do, we complain they don’t let us hear the participants. When they don’t, we complain they have no control.
Maybe we should ring a bell and let them spar, go at it in three minute bouts with a break for a new question. Which is what we got last night.
Kaine needs to smile and not be bitchy. Pence needs to not fall off the stage.
The GOP pulled down their webpage explaining, in some detail, why Pence won the debate.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-website-announces-mike-pence-debate-winnerbefore-debate/story?id=42570234
Now we can all see how completely FOS that whole operation really is.
Pence could fall of the stage, and they’d still say that he won.
If I didn’t understand English I’d say Pence is making a better impression.
I don’t know how long I can take Pence’s bullshit. He just spins up all of this talk show crap.
I just tuned in. The two of them look like cousins.
Or maybe all white guys look alike.
That’s the excuse I use.
i think kaine should chill a little. i wish pence would be kidnaped by aliens and never come this way again.
I’m liking Tim Kaine occupying all of the corners here.
I had to turn the sound down, so I’m just watching and reading you guys. The way HRC’s voice grates other people, these smooth-talking tones grate on me.
If Americans had to choose between these two, I think they’d vote to take a nap.
Law enforcement has more than enough tools. And why the Feds need to fund local police needs, I’ll never know.
Perhaps fund mandatory training to deal with bias.
There’s way more people who are here legally inflicting plenty of tragedy on people.
He dodged the answer on how people will be removed from the country.
I’m with Paula can’t take the empty drone coming from Pence.
https://youtu.be/h4zp5ylVpaU
Not crazy about the Pence drone, but Kaine is not giving an inch on this talk radio bullshit.
We forget that this is what politicians sound like. We have been spoiled by the intelligent and on-point discourse from Obama, from Bill Clinton, and even Hillary.
Live Facebook feed from The Late Show with Stephen Colbert at the North Shore Animal League — image of cats playing in a pen with a TV in the background. Much easier to deal with this way.
So Pence didn’t defend Trump here, right? Just kept saying that Trump didn’t say any of this stuff.
The commercials will write themselves. Pence denying Trump said things followed by video of Trump saying those things.
Pence was a cool customer. Kaine kept interrupting and was very annoying, Kaine was also over prepared and not loose. The moderator had no control of this thing. Pence helped himself. He worked it hard with the GOP party folks on the pro- life issue. He will pull all the Ted Cruz supporters in the party now,
@c ” He will pull all the Ted Cruz supporters in the party now,”
They were already there.
The most telling thing is that the prediction markets have failed to move at all for Trump. In fact, his prediction market value just lost about 5% of its value sometime during the debate. That’s not much, but it makes a liar of anyone claiming a big win for Pence.
I suspect that the reason for the drop in Trump’s betting numbers reflects a lost opportunity to change the race, and Trump is simply running out of such opportunities.
Pence did a decent job of attacking Hillary’s foreign policy.
If the Republicans hadn’t elected guy who literally can’t go 5 minutes without saying something outrageously stupid they’d probably be beating Clinton. The problem is that most of the attacks Pence could have used would be directly refuted by idiotic things Trump has said. His budget is fiscal Armageddon, he’s a 2nd Amendment”supporter” who wants to randomly stop and frisk people, he’s lost on foreign policy and cozying up to the Russians, and he’s completely ceded the personal accountability high ground with the combo of tax returns/Trump Foundation craziness. It’s like Christine O’Donnell on the National level, complete with stiffing people who you owe money to.
She’s pretty vulnerable on Iraq (even though the SOFA wasn’t her fault), Russian aggression, the Iran deal, and the Arab Spring.
Either way, I don’t see this changing the race. Tim Kaine didn’t disqualify himself, Pence was handcuffed by the top of the ticket on most of his attacks and even if he hadn’t been he is not the type of guy who is going to pull in independent/3rd party voters. He shored up a base that was already shored up. Maybe they’ll win Alabama by 22 points instead of 19 now or something.
Can we all give up the notion that moderators can control the participants? When they do, we complain they don’t let us hear the participants. When they don’t, we complain they have no control.
Maybe we should ring a bell and let them spar, go at it in three minute bouts with a break for a new question. Which is what we got last night.
Falcor, I didn’t watch. And I didn’t realize it at the time, but I didn’t watch because I was waiting to read your 12:40 am summary comment. Thanks!
Jason…..you must be overjoyed to see a butterface goblin reaching so high.
Peace to you bro! Keep hope alive!!!!
Wa alaikum assalaam, to you as well.