The October 28, 2016 Thread
PRESIDENT
NATIONAL–ABC News Tracking–CLINTON 51, Trump 44
NATIONAL–Economist/YouGov–CLINTON 46, Trump 41
NATIONAL–CNBC–CLINTON 47, Trump 37
NATIONAL–Pew–CLINTON 50, Trump 43
NORTH CAROLINA–Quinnipiac–CLINTON 47, Trump 43
IOWA–Quinnipiac–CLINTON 44, TRUMP 44
GEORGIA–Quinnipiac–TRUMP 44, Clinton 43
NEW HAMPSHIRE–UMass Amherst/WBZ–CLINTON 43, Trump 38
PENNSYLVANIA–NY Times/Siena–CLINTON 46, Trump 39
MISSOURI–Remington Research–TRUMP 50, Clinton 39
MICHIGAN–Detroit Free Press–CLINTON 41, Trump 34
MICHIGAN–FOX 2 Detroit/Mitchell–CLINTON 48, Trump 42
WASHINGTON–Univ. of Washington–CLINTON 53, Trump 39
LOUISIANA–SMOR–TRUMP 50, Clinton 35
MASSACHUSETTS–Boston Globe/Suffolk–CLINTON 57, Trump 25
TEXAS–UT/Texas Tribune–TRUMP 45, Clinton 42
MISSOURI–Mason-Dixon–TRUMP 47, Clinton 42
ARIZONA–Saguaro Strategies–CLINTON 48, Trump 46
A new Suffolk University/Boston Globe poll in Massachusetts finds Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) leading former Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling in a U.S. Senate race, 58% to 24%.
A new Associated Press-GfK poll finds that 64% of Donald Trump’s supporters say they’re more likely to have serious doubts about the accuracy of the vote count if the Republican nominee is not the victor. By contrast, 69% of Hillary Clinton’s supporters say they’ll accept the outcome if Trump wins.
My mom is an immigrant and my dad and his family have served this nation in uniform since the Revolution #ILSEN pic.twitter.com/ehEBHswFMs
— Tammy Duckworth (@TammyforIL) October 28, 2016
Tammy Duckworth is of mixed race heritage. Her mother is a Thai immigrant. I am not sure the heritage of Duckworth’s father (from the picture, it looks like he could be African American or Caucasian), but his family has been in America since the Revolution. Indeed, his family fought along side George Washington during the war. But racist Republican Senator Mark Kirk assumed that could not be so, since Duckworth was an Asian, and therefore that means her parents were Asian, which means they can’t be Americans and they could not have been here in the 1700’s.
Senator Mark Kirk mocks disabled Iraq war vet Tammy Duckworth in debate for her mixed-race heritage: https://t.co/3Znpd2Uvfq pic.twitter.com/cpWYBKri4l
— Deadspin (@Deadspin) October 28, 2016
Fuck you Mark Kirk. Your coming defeat will be delicious.
“Speaker Paul Ryan’s suddenly shaky future as House speaker is already prompting closed-door talk among House Republicans about who’d take over if he steps aside or is spurned by archconservatives,” Politico reports.
“Between his falling out with Donald Trump and his ongoing standoff with the House Freedom Caucus, some Republicans are speculating that Ryan might just step aside if he can’t muster the votes. The question preoccupying everyone: Who would replace him if that happens?”
Clinton eyes Biden for secretary of state https://t.co/xC550fZKCe #hailhydra
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) October 28, 2016
I don’t think Biden will take it.
“Donald Trump’s claim that the 2016 presidential election is ‘rigged’ against him has become a central part of his closing argument to voters in the final days of the campaign, as the GOP nominee insists that a growing range of ‘corrupt’ public institutions are to blame for his sharply narrowing path the White House,” the Washington Post reports.
“As he heads into a potential loss on Nov. 8, Trump has expanded the scale and scope of his accusations to include Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, the media, establishment leaders from both parties and unidentified ‘global financial powers.’”
And you thought your Thanksgiving was gonna be messy! pic.twitter.com/t5jCFhtGni
— Lauren Duca (@laurenduca) October 28, 2016
S.E. Cupp says Trump has set the GOP back decades: “As a conservative woman who wanted very much to support the Republican nominee, it’s been a deeply disappointing year and a half. After helping the Republican National Committee address some of the troubling deficiencies the party faced after 2012, as outlined in its so-called autopsy report, and witnessing some real progress in our outreach to women in the ensuing years, I did not expect an egomaniacal arsonist to come along and set all that ablaze.”
“Mr. Trump has sent the party back to the Dark Ages — or at least the 1950s — with his provincial notions of masculinity and misogynist notions of femininity, his cartoonish bombast, his vulgar jocularity and his open hostility to women who question him. In short, he’s reaffirmed the worst stereotypes about Republicans that Democrats have pushed for decades.”
North Carolina Republicans challenged voter registration of 100-year-old black woman. This is outrageous https://t.co/NZt2W93dHq pic.twitter.com/9FXEGxbRAT
— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) October 27, 2016
“Senate Republicans are choosing sides ahead of a brutal conflict over how to handle the lingering Supreme Court vacancy, with Jeff Flake firing back at a suggestion by Ted Cruz that the party could indefinitely block any nominee from Hillary Clinton,” Politico reports.
“The internal GOP battle over what to do about Merrick Garland — President Barack Obama’s choice for the court — and any future Clinton nominee will dominate the lame duck session of Congress after the election. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is holding the seat vacant for the next president — but Cruz has suggested that Republicans could continue to block Democrats from appointing a new nominee for much longer.”
White privilege in action seems about right https://t.co/JoX6ht6Eum
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) October 28, 2016
“And just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump, right? What are we even having it for? What are we having it for?” — Donald Trump, quoted by Politico. Talking about himself in the third person? Check. Wanting to be a dictator? Check.
Trump's White Supremacist Sturmabteilung:
Vote for Donald Trump and David Duke. pic.twitter.com/Y7760ccv4Q
— Jeff Gauvin (@JeffersonObama) October 27, 2016
Matt Bai explains how the Trump campaign’s nightly news show on Facebook isn’t only about reaching Trump’s voter; it’s about consolidating his new consumer base, too, which he describes as the “working-class consumer who watched his show and came to his rallies, who aspires to wealth but can never afford a room at the Trump International.”
“Trump’s feed, streaming live from the ‘war room’ in Trump Tower, is remarkable in that it self-consciously mimics everything about your conventional cable show. There’s lively banter between the hosts, a parade of genial guests who appear to have just dropped in, a platinum blond bomb-throwing commentator with no particular qualifications in anything. There’s breaking coverage of Trump’s evening rally, perfectly timed to make air. It shows you, basically, how easy it is for any moron with a laptop and a dream to perfectly imitate the cheerful vacuousness of most TV news.”
Jason Chaffetz blows it https://t.co/GlkkAWfW4s automatically undermines the legitimacy of any reasonable oversight f
— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) October 27, 2016
A must-read Businessweek piece explains how Donald Trump’s campaign has “three major voter suppression operations under way” aimed at three groups: idealistic white liberals, young women, and African Americans.
On Oct. 24, Trump’s team began placing spots on select African American radio stations. In San Antonio, a young staffer showed off a South Park-style animation he’d created of Clinton delivering the “super predator” line (using audio from her original 1996 sound bite), as cartoon text popped up around her: “Hillary Thinks African Americans are Super Predators.” The animation will be delivered to certain African American voters through Facebook “dark posts”—nonpublic posts whose viewership the campaign controls so that, as Parscale puts it, “only the people we want to see it, see it.” The aim is to depress Clinton’s vote total. “We know because we’ve modeled this,” says the official. “It will dramatically affect her ability to turn these people out.”
Rick Hasen: “Standing by itself, what the campaign describes may be odious, but it is not illegal. There is no law against negative campaigning, or discouraging people from voting through legal means (not by, say, giving misinformation about where to vote).”
“But the Trump campaign also has promoted ‘poll watching’ and other operations which many see as a sign of voter intimidation. Trump has engaged in so much of this activity, that the DNC is trying to use it to extend the consent decree against the RNC for voter intimidation activity extended for up to 8 more years. These brazen statements from the Trump campaign marginally increase the chances of success of that effort, because they confirm that the campaign has an interest in making it harder for likely Democratic voters, including minority voters, to come out to the polls and vote.”
I've covered a lot of political rallies – I haven seen many where the crowd was THIS excited. pic.twitter.com/lnyYwozYlt
— Asma Khalid (@asmamk) October 27, 2016
“In short, he’s reaffirmed the worst stereotypes about Republicans that Democrats have pushed for decades.”” —- No Ms Cupp, your party did all the reaffirming.
Trump didn’t come out of nowhere. The GOP is exactly what it’s critics have always said it is.
That’s the new line from “responsible” conservatives — that they’re not like Trump, and Trump is like a liberal caricature of a “real” conservative.
There’s something funny about the mirrors in conservatives’ houses. They look in them and they cannot see themselves.
Duckworth is going to beat Kirk soundly, but holy shit…that clip. I love how Kirk’s stupidity just hangs there in space as Duckworth doesn’t reply, but lets Kirk slowly turn like a rotisserie chicken.
sorry, but i can’t get behind the scorched-earth notion that anybody anywhere at all to the right of the progressives must demonized. for one thing, the far(ther) left needs to align with other groups to defeat the irrationality of the trump movement. i know some of you think you’re already mainstream, but not really. incrementalism, folks. this idea of my way or the highway seems, well, trump-like.
Where did you find that notion? I didn’t see it above.
I’m not sure where that notion came from either.
The Trump wing should be demonized. They are not the “mainstream” any more than anarchist leftists are the mainstream. That said, making excuses for them and saying “all opinions matter” allows their theocratic fascism into the mainstream and that cannot be allowed to continue.
one example: putting “responsible conservatives” in quotes to suggest there is no such thing.
Yeah, Ex-Anon… I am well known for being a Pragmatic Progressive who stands against purity progressive and purity politics in general. I know full well that progressives are not the majority of this country, but progressives have made major strides in taking over the policy direction of the Democratic Party. Still, there are fights to be fought and more progress to be made. But I don’t demonize your more traditional liberals and moderates in the Democratic Party. I will be critical of Tom Carper and John Carney and Chris Coons when they move in a moderate direction in pursuit of their holy grail of bipartisanship. Because, quite often when they do that, they are negotiating only with themselves in a futile effort to win over Republicans. Which is just stupid to begin with.
I think he is referencing Ms Cupp. The fact is all Republicans will distance themselves from Trump sooner or later. “Sane” GOPers like Cupp want credit for getting there sooner, but people like Charlie Copeland will get there on election day + 1 minute and will be expecting just as much credit.
With respect to reasonable conservatives, I challenge you to find one.
If Trump were winning, S.E. Cupp would be celebrating him.
ben: i’m all for demonizing the trump wing. my point is that not all conservatives should be demonized. maybe they didn’t see trump coming (and should have) but many are against him now. some of you seem to want to reject them because you might have to give up some ideological purity in areas far less awful than trumpism. it’s not only in this thread, but lots of others.
and you also see it on national progressive web sites.
Jeb! and Mittens are the only two republicans who are allowed to claim they have always been against Trump ….any only Mittens SORT OF, since he groveled for that 2012 endorsement.)
This is less about support to Trump than it is about spending 30 years laying the groundwork to make a Trump possible. There’s not gonna be many clean hands there.
Without Jeb, Mitt, McCain, etc. there would be no Trump. “Reasonable Republicans” are what gave us Trump. He didn’t spring out of thin air.
What Cassandra said.
Ben, I’m not at all a Kasich fan, but he has not endorsed, like Rubio and Cruz. I really respect President Bush (No. 1) for actually telling some folks he is voting for Hillary, although he gave us Clarence Thomas.
well, i guess you could put all the anti-trump conservatives who didn’t see trump coming into re-education camps. then you’d have your one-party system.
They saw him coming. They grew him. Immigration? Reproductive rights? Tax cuts? Minorities? Minimum wage? Wars?
There’s a reason why Trump won the nomination. The Republican base had been groomed for him for decades. Pretending that didn’t happen doesn’t help the problem. Pretending that “reasonable republicans” have clean hands is a lie.
Trump only says bluntly what the others on the right have been insinuating for decades now. Their condemnations are hollow.
Of course they say him coming. Palin was Trump 1.0. Rush Limbaugh has been spewing that shit for years and the GOP just clapped and played along.
No one is going to any camps ex-anon (because the movement inclined toward camps is going to lose) get over the hyperbole. They WILL become politically irrelevant and (hopefully) permanently marginalized, but I DARE you to make a case for allowing racists and bigots a “seat at the table” .
The immigration thing is on the base, not on the Repub establishment. Republicans have been happily profiting from the toleration of illegal labor for decades. They were aghast when Trump vowed to send their cheap illegal workers home.
The grooming dates back at least to the Southern Strategy that Nixon and his enablers created that made blacks ‘the other’ that they all could unite to oppose. Right after passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.
More than anything, this racial appeal has been at the core of the modern Rethuglican Party.
Which, BTW, is why I’m not shedding Biden-like crocodile tears at the D abandonment of white working folks. They bought Nixon’s and Reagan’s shit/hatred decades ago. Yes, we should appeal to working class voters. But if the racist dogwhistles play more effectively than appeals for a living minimum wage and health insurance for all, then the fault is theirs. And, yes, they only have themselves to blame as they’ve voted against their self-interest for decades now.
I’m sorry, but that’s a reality check as far as I see it.
That reality check checks out.
There is no “Trump wing” of the republican party, Trump IS the republican party and they should be ridiculed and shamed accordingly.
The base chose him, and put him in this position because he reflects their “values”
There are no sane republicans left. They started leaving during the Bush years.
The crazy bullshit that Trump spouts is the stuff conservatives talked about for years in private meetings in the 2000’s.
Changing topics for a moment…
The first test of Clinton’s leadership for me, will be how she responds to the DAPL.
The videos coming in from the military raid on a peaceful encampment on sacred ground make me sick. I know her current stance of KeystoneXL is opposition, but we’ll see if that is a political move based on a high profile item, or if she truly believes in stopping the flow of poison through our country…. and if she will stand against America’s continued genocide of Native people.
Stopping the flow of poison through our country. Interesting. As far as I can tell, that battle is definitely lost.
I’m very unhappy abut the way that the protesters have been treated here (especially since the Bundys got away with their “protest”), but what is true here is that law enforcement is moving the protesters from private land. Not from their emcampment on Federal land. There’s probably a treaty dispute here somewhere, but I have no doubt that the police are hamhandedly responding to issues of private property.
Still, you should not be surprised if this pipeline gets built, but the Feds take up these requirements for new efforts as discussed this week:
“I really respect President Bush (No. 1) for actually telling some folks he is voting for Hillary, although he gave us Clarence Thomas.”
I’d respect them a lot more if they weren’t so obviously smarting from Trump kicking Jeb’s ass. Let’s not confuse sore loserism with integrity.
@ex-anon: The “reasonable” Republicans are the problem. Trumpkins wear their bigotry on their sleeves, which I prefer to the “reasonable” ones, who back all the same policies (except the ban on cheap immigrant labor).
I know it’s not popular, but I’ll say it again: Liberals have not attacked Republican economics since Reagan even though they know it doesn’t work, and they have kept their mouths shut because they were too busy fighting the culture wars to pay attention to the economic wars. THERE IS NOTHING REASONABLE ABOUT REPUBLICAN ECONOMIC THEORIES.
Didn’t anybody understand what Lee Atwater said? He gave the game away and we STILL won’t fight them on this. And by fighting, I mean educating the public.
You know what leftists used to do? Real leftists, I mean — the socialists, the IWW, etc. They trusted working people to understand these issues once they were educated about them. And, once upon a time, without attending a minute of college, millions of blue-collar workers DID understand those issues, because the socialists educated showed them how they mattered. Hell, the people in the Free Silver movement understood economic issues better than most current Americans. The prosperity of the ’50s eased the labor-capital pressure in the US, and educating the labor force to the issues that affected their lives fell away with the anti-Communist fervor.
So now that we’re on our way to every working person being entitled to a full shit sandwich instead of only half, can we go back to trying to upgrade what’s between the bread slices?
Follow the Clinton money!!!
Here’s one for lovers of our vaunted legal system:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/juror-explains-bundy-acquittals-arrogant-prosecutors-failed-to-prove-armed-takeover-was-conspiracy/
This country’s citizens are too stupid for self-government.
The Fat Lady is walking towards the microphone.
Yeah Kline. This Comey letter to Chafitz is great news for McCain/Palin. Keep hope alive.
“The Fat Lady is walking towards the microphone.”
Now you’re fat-shaming her?