Hillary Clinton’s Fake Ass Book
On the list of things I don’t need, Clinton’s cloying homage to herself it #1. Cancer is #2.
If you don’t know what is wrong with that… what is REALLY wrong, at the heart of it, then you should not be involved in politics.
The quicker we all ignore this disgraceful embarrassment the quicker it should go away. (Although with a Clinton this is wishful thinking, maybe.)
Drumps approval number tick up slightly every time she opens her mouth. As long as she is on TV, she represents the Dem party.
If the book is a cash grab, I get it. If she thinks it is “healing” … oy. More proof of why she lost.
BTW. I agree with both comments. No more HRC from me and the sooner the Dems find some Dem leadership, the better
I have no problem with most of what’s going on with the book and the book tour as long as I can avoid it. It can serve as therapy for both her and her supporters.
But when she blames Bernie Sanders for pointing out the truth about her money-grubbing speeches to the corporate power brokers of the D Party, and somehow suggests that Trump NEVER would have picked up on this line of attack if not for Sanders, she underlines all I can’t stand about her. The charges were true. Just like her screwing up of the e-mails was true. She brought these problems upon herself. Instead of blaming the messengers, she should look in a mirror.
It really sucks. We need a left of center democrat on the ticket and not corporate white bread with mayo.
Dumping Pelosi will be first step toward progress. Younger fresh leadership needed.
Som, it wont be therapy for her supporters, it’ll be red meat and get them all bitter and angry at Sanders and real progressives again.
Remember, the official Dem party line….. if any part of you wants to see jobs and wages improve in the mid-west… even if you also support it happening everywhere else, even if those jobs are renewable energy, you’re basically the Klan. Support for Sanders is support for genocide.
“Dumping Pelosi will be first step toward progress. Younger fresh leadership needed.”
Are you in favor of dumping her for any valid reasons, or just the stupid one you gave?
I think she’s still kind of hot or is that sexist?
Ben nailed it.
Having recently been accused of white supremacy for suggesting that talking jobs during campaigns might interest white voters, I feel your pain.
Get off the stage Hillary, you lost. Again.
alby, having some idea of possibly a couple of the folks making that accusation, they have one move.
Chest thump for themselves, while supporting shit-heal centrist party hacks, make up things to call others in a way that isnt quite as witty as your standard Russian twitter-bot.
It’s very.. how you say… “modern presidential”
Here’s also what bugs me. As progressives, how often have we voted for the ‘lesser of evils’ b/c, well, we voted for the lesser of evils? Even any consideration of not voting is met with derision by the Third Way crowd. We read it constantly on this blog, perpetuated by Hillary’s would-be proctologist.
When the tables are turned, however, the Third Way types have no problem voting for R’s. Even when polls show time after time that progressive goals are popular. It’s a two-way street, folks. Except, of course, it isn’t.
Which is why I wish the whole lot of them would just STFU.
The centrist types will be telling us how a wall isnt really THAT bad once Chuck N Nancy tell them to. I can see it coming… trade the Wall for DACA becoming law. President Kelly played the dem leadership like a cheap violin.
More Hillary primary voters cast their general election ballot for McCain in 2008 than Bernie primary voters did for Trump last year. Fact.
They don’t want to acknowledge that this is about worldview, and theirs is not longer in the ascendancy. “America is already great” is something they actually said and believed during the last election.
If they don’t see a problem, how can they even think about solutions?
They want to make America better in the same way that Carper wants to make Obamacare better.
speaking of carper…. Is anyone lined up to primary him for his refusal to back single payer?
RE.. “More Hillary primary voters cast their general election ballot for McCain in 2008 than Bernie primary voters did for Trump last year. Fact.” I believe you, but could you provide the backup for that? I intend to use it and want to use sources.
@El Som: That is, at no cost to but great benefit to their corporate benefactors. So never a word about outlandish executive salaries or Wall Street’s job-sucking financial machinations.
I wish I had a dime for every “Democrat” who tells me that so long as every person has the opportunities to succeed everything is swell. It never occurs to them that tweaking the rules so that more people succeed might be a more worthy goal, or that what they are saying is exactly what Republicans with consciences say.
Pelosi–
shes 77, been in office over 22 years, and has been the leader of her caucus for SEVERAL defeated cycles without making progress in House D numbers. If you can’t get it done, time to let others take the helm. She does not help her challengers in swing districts due to the SF liberal label. When coaches don’t win, they move on.
The concept is accountability, not royalty. It’s why over a quarter of her caucus voted against her in the last go around….total frustration with status quo, but they didn’t want that backbencher from Ohio Tim Ryan.
So in other words, you don’t know shit about the day-in, day-out responsibilities of the job or how well she performs them, you just want results. “Winning elections” has never been part of the job description for Speaker or minority leader.
You and fucking Donald Trump — just watch TV and react to what you hear. Lazy motherfucker.
El Som wrote:
Given that Mrs Clinton was (supposedly) a sure winner, you could have declined to vote for the lesser of two evils, and voted third party. How many DL regulars actually did that?
Alby wrote:
When House Republican candidates lost five seats in the 1998 elections, worst performance since 1934 by the party not controlling the presidency in a midterm election, Speaker Newt Gingrich resigned.
Gaining majorities, and or keeping majorities, is the ABSOLUTE #1 job of being the damn Speaker. The Speaker spends tons of time fundraising for members and appoints and supervises the Chair of the DCCC which is the political/ election arm of the caucus. In the House, if you are in the minority party, you have NO POWER. It’s not the Senate.
Ben… Knock yourself out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/
All the pertinent links are in the Washington Post piece above.
From The Washington Post: Hillary Clinton’s clear warning to Democrats: Don’t be like Bernie.
She’s still fighting the 2016 primary campaign.
“When House Republican candidates lost five seats in the 1998 elections, worst performance since 1934 by the party not controlling the presidency in a midterm election, Speaker Newt Gingrich resigned.”
You do remember, I presume, that this came after a disastrously received government shutdown that was widely blamed on Gingrich, who pursued the losing strategy. I would maintain his performance as in-game captain, rather than his poor recruitment record, led to his departure before the foot his his ass.
And nobody ever resigned before or since over the loss of five seats.
Your claim represents the ad hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
“Gaining majorities, and or keeping majorities, is the ABSOLUTE #1 job of being the damn Speaker.”
No, it’s not. The job of the speaker is managing legislation; if the president is of the opposing party, it’s leading the opposition. The GOP has demonized Pelosi by name and location, not function.
“The Speaker spends tons of time fundraising for members and appoints and supervises the Chair of the DCCC which is the political/ election arm of the caucus.”
To the extent this is true, it’s a very recent, and very unwelcome, development in the history of the office. To pretend it’s a vital function of the job is a joke, and shows you have no sense at all of what you’re talking about. Raising money simply isn’t part of the job.
“In the House, if you are in the minority party, you have NO POWER. It’s not the Senate.”
In which case it doesn’t matter who holds the job. Really, you’re embarrassing yourself.
Interesting; seems like mostly male voices on this whole string and where, or where is feminism represented? Where are the male and female champions of capable, smart and courageous women fighting an uphill battle for participation even in the progressive wing of our Party? Pathetic, Delaware.
Pathetic yourself, Stan. This blog is for the liberals who aren’t busy defining themselves by identity sticker. You want the Blue Persun Group.
Mr Merriman wrote:
Given that anyone can comment here, if there are no women commenting on this thread, it is because they have chosen not to do so.
And, from what little I’ve seen of this site, Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) seems to be the second most popular ‘national’ politician amongst the regulars here. It’s not like the participants here are making the ‘battle for participation’ an uphill one.
Heck, I’m one of the few conservatives who visits here, and my Republican primary campaign choice was Carly Fiorina, because I thought she’d make the best President of anyone running.
Idiot.
I actually prefer Warren to Sanders, but not because of gender. On the other hand, I think the smart pick for 2020 at this point would have to be Kamala Harris, and her gender does play into my thinking. Women and minorities, especially African Americans, are the core of the Democratic Party, and I think those constituencies will respond most enthusiastically to someone who represents them.
Post-Trump, I’m thinking, it’s going to be a long while before white men are trusted with power again, at least by women and minorities.
I agree with that point alby, but don’t you typically argue that Dems should be appealing to WWC voters?
I, for one, think they can do that without being racist. Kamala Harris, while my odds-on favorite (not necessarily first choice) among other things, is from the Left Coast. I dont see her doing well in flyover country. We can assume the same playbook that was successfully used against Clinton will be used against her with a dash of Willy Horton thrown in. Im all for being defiant in the face of hatred, but not if it gives dump another term.
No, I don’t think Dems should specifically appeal to white voters, just working class ones. And even there, not because we should pander but because it’s the smartest economic policy.
I don’t give a fuck what their side says about any Democrat. Everything said about Clinton had been said about her for 25 years. It’s all about driving Democrats to the polls. Trump’s vote total was well below Obama’s, as was Clinton’s. It was lack of enthusiasm for the candidate from her supporters, not hatred from her opponents, that did her in.
HIllary’s biggest problem was the lack of a unifying message for her platform, along with a belief that people were satisfied with the status quo. That won’t cut it anymore.
Democrats have watched as Republicans elected people who put a willingness to fight for their horrible beliefs up front, and sure enough they have derailed progressives’ plans for a more equitable country, which is all they elected them to do. Today’s Democrats want fighters, not compromisers, and yesterday’s Democrats better get out of the way if they won’t put up their dukes.