Is it time for liberals to go on strike against the radical centrist Democratic Party?
Look. “Angry liberals” will get blamed for the failure of the radical centrist Democratic Party anyway, so maybe it is time to earn that scorn and reprobation we are going to be getting no matter how badly centrist bomb throwers fuck shit up?
Maybe it is time for all left of center Dems to quit the party or at least provide zero votes (or money) to the party or to any Dem candidate until it reigns in the centrist zealots who are committed to failure?
“Liberals” have been the most loyal but most routinely ignored part of the Dem coalition. It seems to me that it is time for the party to pay a price for being in the thrall of radical centrism.
I guess I’ve been forced into being a Democratic nihilist. I now agree with bamboozler that nothing will change until the existing Democratic party is burned to the ground.
And to extend the metaphor – it will not be the liberals doing the burning. It will be us just not trying to put out the fire any longer.
Gee, seems I was rained on profusely for suggesting the same thing a month ago. Here’s how I see it: If we continue to support the party that backs “centrists” like Coons, nothing will change. I believe that the Democratic party does take us for granted and actually likes things just the way they are. At the very least we should not vote for centrists like Coons, Carper and LBR. I’ve done this for decades, it’s my little way of giving the finger to the people who I detest.
If you don’t want to vote for Coons & Carper you could have voted for Witzke, Arlett & Christine O’Donnell.
Or not voted at all.
Which may have left the door open for Witzke, Arlett & O’Donnell.
The problem with striking against the Democratic Party is if the Democrat loses, the Republican wins. Do you really want them running things?
“The problem with striking against the Democratic Party is if the Democrat loses, the Republican wins.”
Huh.
It is very strange to me that you don’t see how successful Republicans have been while pursuing the same strategy you view as a “bad strategy” for Democrats.
Doesn’t this argument break down in Delaware? You can complain about the federal delegation, but over the past couple of cycles we have elected many younger, more progressive candidates to go to Dover. We may have some more in 2022.
Are you telling me that you don’t think any of them will be up for a challenge to the Coons/Carper/LBR ticket in 2024/26? If not, why not? Thus far, none of the progressive challengers to any of them have had any name recognition, political accomplishments or had even won an election. That is changing. Progressives are building a bench here.
Meanwhile, the Republicans in Delaware have self-destructed by doubling down on the right-wing and ONLY mounting challenges against the upper echelons of power.
I would suggest that the Georgia model is a better one. Stacey Abrams brought an electoral history of success and experience and has unified the Democrats of all stripes to come together and elect Dems that push the needle leftward.
I agree with you–mostly. The exception being that the RWNJ’s are fielding candidates for school board elections.
The burgeoning progressive movement in Delaware is what keeps me involved, and keeps me blogging. I’m all in on 2022 being the year where we get a progressive State House to go along with the Senate. The bipartisan paternalism of the Delaware Way is on life support. I hope that, along with it, the Kop Kontrol of the House goes away forever this year.
Not voting has usually been my choice. In any election if no candidate receives more votes than the number of eligible non voters, the office should be left vacant.
See, this shit is how Coons keeps winning and our country keeps sliding to fascism. I’m done with that shit. If Witzke wins, maybe the dems will learn. Fuck it.
My calculus has always been keep the Senate D no matter what. But if we are going to lose the Senate (and by most meaningful measures we already have), then I need a new calculus.
Republicans have done well by purging their party of their centrists. They never regretted purging Mike Castle. Their purity purges were driven by a relatively small group of crazies.
We aren’t going to get rid of Coons by having a handful of lefties cast no-votes. Because of Coons’s weird incumbency name-recognition spell on voters, the only way to get rid of Coons in the voting booth is to elect his Republican opponent.
Here, here. I’m in for that.
So you’re really saying you would prefer Lauren Witzke be one of the two senators from Delaware, just to teach Democratic moderates a lesson?
Yes. And to get rid go Chris Coons in order to beat Witzke’s ass with an actual Dem in the following election.
It’s like using maggots to cleanse rotted flesh.
Isn’t this kinda telling on the suburban corporate mindset if you think a progressive Democrat would lose to a niche lunatic reactionary in a statewide general election? Like all the spiteful HRC voters who went McCain in ’08?
I don’t believe it would happen, but if it did is it the fault of progressives who dare challenge capital’s status quo or the spiteful suburban Democrat who votes for Lee Murphy? Who’s the “real Democrat” then?
Come on. This line of argument is so stale.
“if you think a progressive Democrat would lose to a niche lunatic reactionary in a statewide general election”
The progressive would win that match, but first the progressive has to win their primary.
Yep. We’re heading in that direction anyway. The party of Biden Schumer and Nancy is powerless to stop it. Slam on the gas pedal and let this shit fall apart so we can get to building something better.
The thing keeping me from total nihilism is the slim hope the details of the Jan. 6 conspiracy will become public with indictments for Trump and his henchmen. And then if that happens, Trump might become toxic to enough voters that all the candidates who tied themselves to Trump will sink like a stone.
Hey, I said it was a slim hope.
very slim
If trump were somehow even indicted the wacks would martyr him and their cause would become even more fervent. they may start calling him Jesus Trump.
A caller to WGMD once said that Democrats want to murder Jesus.
Even if Garland grows enough of a spine to take on trump… and even if we can find 12 Americans impartial enough to hear the trial…….He would run from prison and beat biden. The “heroic political prisoner” narrative would be too juicy for the media to ignore. His hand picked SCOTUS will says he’s president and that’ll be the catalyst for CW2.
About Garland growing a spine: Doesn’t an organism first need be classified as a vertebrate to in fact have a spine?
Isn’t it funny that even a TDS-afflicted contributor on a rabid liberal forum can agree that even an incarcerated version of Dear Orange Opponent could win against Piss Pants Biden, father of a literal crackhead (hey, Joe did say that Hunter is the smartest guy he knows).
And speaking of “hand picked” SCOTUS, I’m sure you still have the taste of sour grapes from the denial of Garland’s Barry Soetoro nomination. If you are old enough to remember, I’m sure you didn’t mind that tactic being employed by Joe in the early 90’s as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Anyway, I digress.
Do you really think a “hand picked” SCOTUS decision would be accountable to or biased in favor of Trump? The same SCOTUS that didn’t hear a single 2020 election case? Please. And tell me more about this cw2 catalyzed by Republican election fantasy of yours! Sounds neat!
To think something as terrible as a civil war will spark off due to partisan politics demonstrates that you are what they call a useful idiot. I don’t blame you for that. I blame the media. If it happens, it will be the .Gov vs We the People. If you don’t know what the World Economic Forum is, I earnestly suggest you check it out. If you agree with that agenda, then put on your brown shirt and bend over for Daddy Government.
“Bend over for Daddy Government.”
The shape of your fears says a lot about you. You apparently fear being ass-raped by your father. Sad.
I haven’t had much luck finding sources for info on the attack that’s substantive enough to open people’s eyes. What sources should I use? I’ve been keeping to myself but now I want to try to show family what really happened.
This article on the arrest of the Oath Keepers founder provides some good initial info:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/14/stewart-rhodes-oath-keepers-january-6-us-capitol-attack
The truth is today’s Progressives are merely yesterdays rank and file Democrats, nothing we want is even remotely radical, just additions for the most part of programs already in place (unless you consider adding dental insurance to Medicare to be radical) As noted the Republicans purged all the liberals and moderates out of their party long ago, should be noted It Did Not Harm Them to any great extent.
With both sides purging their moderates, the “radical center” might become an even larger group and, without influence from the left, probably more to the right than any of us want. Not a great situation either way. But, you know, half a loaf, lesser of two evils and so on. Maybe it’s idealism vs. realism, and I can see why the idealism would feel better. Or we could just blow it all up, which is what the Trump people are trying to do. Maybe fear and loathing of the Trump people should override everything for now. It’s hopeless to expect anything at all from them. If they get their way, all bets are off. But you’ve heard all this before.
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“With both sides purging their moderates, the “radical center” might become an even larger group and, without influence from the left, probably more to the right than any of us want. ”
*eyeroll* Always the liberals fault. It must be comforting to have a worldview that keeps the real scoundrels in sharp focus at all times.
That’s OK Rev, I can hear it all in my head.
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