Laughing my ass off at weak-ass Democrats
That’s what I’d be doing if I was a Republican. If God ever created a species as weak and gutless as a modern Democrat, I’d like to see the spineless, translucent blob masquerading as a living organism.
I’m standing with Al Franken 100%. Any so-called Democrat who wants him to quit is a lowlife dumbfuck in my considered opinion. I will add that these Democrats are also the political geniuses who thought Hillary Clinton would be a good candidate, and who continue to think that the Republicans will reveal themselves go be honest partners in good government.
Comment Rescue: A friend of mine, a moderate agnostic, suggests that because few liberals go to churches, they turn to politics to demonstrate their morality. I don’t know if that’s true, but an awful lot of people yesterday wrote that Franken had to resign so Democrats could show they’re not hypocrites.
The notion privileges their own sense of morality over every other consideration, and they then pat themselves on the back over what good people they are.
I can’t say it often enough: This is why Democrats lose. Would you want to be ruled by people who think every unpleasant thought or interaction is a micro-aggression that someone should be punished for? I can tell you who doesn’t want that: 62 percent of American men.
Hear hear dammit!
There are plenty who thought Clinton was a shit candidate and are more than happy to toss Franken off a cliff to prove a point. I dont understand this omerta reaction. It really shows a lack of principles.
Ben- It isn’t omerta. it is “24 hours in – don’t swallow the GOP line on this so uncritically because you get your jollies off proving how pristine your principles and ethics are”
Jesus Christ on the cross, We all know what the GOP is, right? We know, at long last, who we are dealing with, right?
A friend of mine, a moderate agnostic, suggests that because few liberals go to churches, they turn to politics to demonstrate their morality. I don’t know if that’s true, but an awful lot of people yesterday wrote that Franken had to resign so Democrats could show they’re not hypocrites.
The notion privileges their own sense of morality over every other consideration, and they then pat themselves on the back over what good people they are.
I can’t say it often enough: This is why Democrats lose. Would you want to be ruled by people who think every unpleasant thought or interaction is a micro-aggression that someone should be punished for? I can tell you who doesn’t want that: 62 percent of American men.
Very well put.
@Jason: The Republicans certainly know who they’re dealing with. They want Democrats to run on exactly these issues.
It’s not about pristine principles. It’s about showing politicians I, at least, have no loyalty to them whatsoever. They are either an asset to what I see as important progress or a liability. Franken just moved from an asset to a liability. He needs to go.
Shit, I have said a billion times Chuck Schumer needs to be kicked out of party leadership and that is not only because he is a centrist flake, but also because he is a caricature of a snotty east coast liberal. Franken was useful while he was useful. He is no longer useful.
Start viewing our elected officials as the utter tools they are. Every last damn one of them should start out on strike 2.
While some Dems are, I’m not letting Fox News dictate usefulness. IF you look at his entire record, Franken is one of the few true Dems in the Senate. I’m not throwing him in the trash bin because the GOP wants me to.
“Franken was useful while he was useful. He is no longer useful.”
Your understanding of what’s useful in politics is flawed. How is he a “liability,” except you now can’t point to all Republicans and say all Democrats behave better than that? In what regard does he now drag down the party, except in the pristine principles department?
Every single Senator is a shitbag in one way or another, or they never would have risen high enough to get elected. If your project is to build a better world, U.S. politics is a damn strange place to do it.
Seriously, all you SJWs should join a church. We do all kinds of projects helpful to the community at mine. But we don’t mistake politics for mission work. I work alongside diehard Republicans who love Trump and hate liberals, because we’re all working together for a cause.
I think my friend is right. Y’all have mistaken the statehouse for the church.
Franken supported Clinton.
Keep using social justice warrior as an insult. It’s really really hurtful and effective /s/
You both sound like Moore’s defenders. ‘thats just the way the senate is’ ‘that’s politics”. Of course you also sound like DNC apologists of yesteryear (well, last year) We mustn’t make the party look bad by criticizing it right?
There’s more to the Franken story that is unfolding as we speak.
@Ben: Don’t try to deflect your concerns onto us. I don’t care what the party “looks like.”
Hurtful? For Christ’s sake, that’s a word that should never be used in politics. Never.
You should be insulted. You will never achieve social justice through law. Never. You have to persuade people, and y’all have done a piss-poor job of it. Y’all hate Trump but you never blame yourselves for providing what 62 percent of American men saw as a worse alternative.
Im sure there is. As alby said.. he was on SNL in the 80s.
Strap in folks….
You misinterpreted my sarcasm, pal. You’re goddamn right I fight for social justice. I’m proud of the moniker.
You know.. In all my years of blogging, I’v never heard anyone say, “I’ve reconsidered it and I think you are right, and I was wrong.”
Instead, when found to be wrong, people dig themselves more and more elaborate and illogical rhetorical redoubts to defend their initial position.
It would be refreshing as all fuck to get a simple “I see your point” once in a while.
I voted for Sanders in the primary… you know this. Screw BOTH Clintons. They should have retired after Obama beat HIllary in 08… So, chill with that line of argument.
I am aware you cant achieve social justice through the law. That is why we force undesirables from office, drag their names, and condemn them in the court of public opinion. You can ruin someone’s life without filing a single charge.
Be the change you want to see, jason 😉
Yeah, the difference between us is that I don’t hold politicians to a higher standard than other humans, because they can’t meet it. Most can’t even meet the standards of normal humans.
You can be finished with Franken. We’re under no obligation to agree with you.
As for the fact that you’re proud of being a SJW, that’s the problem I’m talking about, right there. You have bound your self-image with your political positions.
The SJW left is in a bubble thicker than the one the right has constructed, and it’s why they couldn’t believe that America was not so appalled with Trump’s behavior that they would refuse to elect him.
Republicans love to mix religion and politics, but even they aren’t so stupid as to believe their own posturing bullshit when an office is on the line.
“Would you want to be ruled by people who think every unpleasant thought or interaction a micro-aggression that someone should be punished for?”
Isn’t that what the Catholic Church is in business for?
“Be the change you want to see.”
I don’t want to see a future of being lectured by the likes of Pandora and Cassandra, which is why I want no part of the social justice movement in the political sphere.
Women are treated badly? Yes. So are most men.
@CT: Must be on RWNJ media, because it’s nowhere on the mainstream.
That’s would be another sign that this is a set-up that landed Republicans a boat full of gill-netted SJWs.
@CT: Not seeing anything at Drudge, either. Without a link, you got bupkis.
I pay good money to be lectured by smart powerful yoga women.
Mouse, gotta admit, you have the life. Enjoy a brewski this weekend and toast those of us who aren’t allowed to anymore.
The Republicans got what they wanted out of this: Democrats who were making hay by calling on Moore to resign (pro tip: they knew damn well he wouldn’t) are now fighting among themselves about whether Franken should resign.
The GOP’s main interest right now is getting Moore out of the headlines, and this worked.
He was always gonna win. The difference is, he will be in the senate during the mid terms and franken wont.
Why won’t Franken? You really think an ethics committee is going to unseat him? Or do you think the hand-flapping brigade will hound him from office?
Moore, by the way, was not “always gonna win.” He might not even win now.
If y’all would STFU about forcing people to resign — always somebody else, I notice, it’s never you people who resign yourselves — you wouldn’t be in the spot you’re in now. It’s your own extremism that’s making y’all look like headless chickens at the moment.
Have your guilt-gasm somewhere other than the political arena, please.
well, seeing as I dont have a senate seat to resign from….
And never trust the polls. People could be saying one thing to a pollster, but when they get into that booth, their inner-alabaman will shine through like a hillybilly search light.
I don’t trust the polls. I simply said it’s no guarantee that Moore will win. You do a lot of pessimistic prognosticating. It says more about you than about the future.
And no, you don’t have a Senate seat to resign from. But I don’t know of any liberal who has quit her job because her employer wasn’t living up to her moral standards.
Im rarely let down.
Yes, if you start at ground level, you can never be let down.
I think you’re beginning to understand.
I always did understand. I used to be like you many years ago. Optimism is a choice.
BTW, The Atlantic’s Peter Beinart agrees with you. He says Moore is more likely than Franken to be in the next Congress. Here’s part of his conclusion:
If I thought that sacrificing Franken would actually change men’s behavior, they might have a point. But social justice Democrats are like a cat with a laser pointer. They keep chasing it and chasing it and they’ll never catch it because it’s not there. That’s the problem with trying to pursue morality through law.
Another thing to notice about the comparison: What was revealed about Moore is not offensive to conservatives. They don’t see this as pedophilia (which it’s not, it’s technically ephebophilia, an attraction to mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19). They see it, as has been widely noted, as Biblical, which is understandable — there are several Yahweh-sanctioned rapes in what Christians call the Old Testament.
What was revealed about Franken IS offensive to liberals, so it puts liberals — and only liberals — on the horns of a dilemma.
If you wanted Republicans to abandon Moore, you’d have to find him waving a flag with Arabic script on it.
It’s slowly coming out…
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360726-stone-appeared-to-know-franken-allegation-was-coming?amp
I don’t know if we’ll ever find out any more than that. Obviously the woman knows people in the conservative mediasphere, so it’s not surprising word would leak beforehand.
It has the sulfurous stench of Bannon about it, does it not? It benefits Moore, not McConnell.
Alby, I’ve been in the sober club for 12 years now but I do enjoy my vicarious thrills in Dewey! So fortunate to live at the beach!
Not all Democrats are fleeing Franken. Ohio Supreme Court Justice Bill O’Neill announced that he’s leaving the bench to run for governor, and did so with the announcement that he had nothing to hide on the issue of his past sexual relations.
Ohio Democrats are reacting with the self-righteousness Republicans can count on them for.
Please note that both women are candidates for the same nomination, but there are plenty more similar quotes at the link. They could have been written in advance, because they all say the same thing, and they’re all aimed at the manipulating women into enough outrage to contribute to one of these women’s campaigns.
It’s politics, people.
Assuming this is some conservative media conspiracy to take out a dem, I’m pretty shocked that it’s the best they could do.
It’s not about taking out Franken. It’s about soiling him. Forevermore anything he says will be dismissed as coming from a predator. Why? Because we made that the standard for dismissing people.
The actual, immediate goal here was to take the spotlight and pressure off Moore, whom even Bannon has to consider unstable. That spotlight gets hot enough, he’s gonna blow.
So it worked, at least in the conservative media. They don’t have to conspire when they all think alike. Remember, to Bannon and Stone, the enemy is McConnell.
Talk about not waiting a full 24 hrs.
The news cycle everywhere but Fox is already moving on. Hell, even Franken’s victim says she doesnt want him to go….
hey jason… ready? Looks like you were right about this one.
We’re also still a good 4 weeks from the Alabama election. In order to really combat Moore effectively, ya gotta pull out all the stops right at the end. I thought you understood this game.
What do you mean by “combat Moore effectively”? This was not engineered by Democrats or the Jones campaign.
McConnell sees Moore for what he is — an advertisement for how backward their party is, and he knows that in office he’d be a continuing sore spot as a new member of the RWNJ caucus. So they still hope to get Strange in. They’d like to make it look as if Democrats did Moore in, sure, but it’s not essential to the program. If he stays in long enough and holds a lead in the polls with a week to go, they’ll of course solidify behind him.
So whatever the Democrats have for the end, they haven’t shown it yet. They haven’t had to do squat while the Republicans are muddying each other. A win, apparently, hinges on black turnout, so I would expect your “all the stops” to aim at boosting it.