Delaware Gun Nuts Urged to Call Their Senators Re HB63 – But Why?
A gun nut site that I don’t want to link to is urging readers to help protect the right of irresponsible gun owners to act irresponsibly. That’s predicable, but someone help out understanding this part of it:
The gun nut’s opposition is based on the “fact” that HB63 makes it impossible for gun nuts to defend their homes from home invasions by the bloods, crips, Sinaloa Cartel, the United Nations and the non-equity touring cast of Godspell.
They specifically claim that law would makes “firearms useless in self-defense situations”, and that the law seeks to “place the blame” on irresponsible gun owners for the criminal actions of their curious children.
And yet on its website, the NRA says:
ALWAYS Keep The Gun Unloaded Until Ready To Use
Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.
So which is it? Are the crips going to run wild if your gun is safely stored according to NRA guidlines, or not?
These people are defective. They should be returned to the manufacturer.
While cowardly Delaware legislators are knuckling under to the gun crybabies, even an odious politician like New York’s Andrew Cuomo is taking the fight to the NRA:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/national-rifle-association-fundraising-letter-we-could-shutter-very-soon?ref=home
The problem with the bill is it puts the home owner in a 5th amendment glitch where the original crime could be ignored (breaking in a door or window) and prosecutors would zone in on the gun that was under the mattress. “Home owner, where was the gun? You followed the law and reported it stolen, where was it though? It wasn’t in a safe?”
Yes, the gun is secured (in the home) as would be the jewelry, electronics, computers, etc. Why wasn’t the Xbox and TV in a safe too? Is a safe even good enough to secure a firearm?
This bill would require a biometric or quick access safe by the bed for the homeowner to buy, but those could very well be grabbed by the thief and busted open later. Might as well just keep it under the mattress.
All in all the home needs the considered the “safe” and the thief who broken in needs to be charged first with the burglary, then now a felon, he needs to be prosecuted for possession and theft of a firearm. The home was locked a evidenced by the broken door frame, that should be good enough. But now the home owner will have to defend himself and will probably lose.
Granted, if a child has access to a firearm, then the homeowner has failed. Interesting how this bill tosses in the word “child” for dramatic effect.
But, long story short, this bill is nothing but another control method to discourage lawful citizens of dealing with the red tape and bureaucracy to be able to have a gun for sport or self defense. Ironically, the politicians who push this bill are the very same who work and associate everyday with armed security.
No, Sam, it would require you to put the gun in the safe in the morning. What’s so hard about that? Unless you have little kids coming into your bedroom at night, you can still calm your jittery nerves by keeping it by your bedside and then PUTTING IT AWAY once daylight comes. Or are you so petrified that you think you’re in danger in your own home in broad daylight? If so, fucking move.
red tape = well regulated.
“The problem with the bill is it puts the home owner in a 5th amendment glitch where the original crime could be ignored (breaking in a door or window) and prosecutors would zone in on the gun that was under the mattress. ”
The problem with that arument is that it is nonsense. It is pure fantastical thinking unbound by any contact with reality. The law into play when a minor or a person prohibited by law is allowed accesses your machine guns. Not when the crips break in to your bunker.
“Granted, if a child has access to a firearm, then the homeowner has failed.”
I’m glad you conceed that much.
Jason330, your response shows the true ignorance of the supporters of this bill. First, the “nonsense and fanatical thinking.” Well, its pretty much being aware of how the prosecution could go, standing on this bill. What would be the reality you state if someone broke into a home and stole the gun? You don’t think the homeowner would be on the chopping block? That is unrealistic to think otherwise.
Machine guns. That in itself shows your ignorance. Not saying you are stupid, just ignorant. You may not know what a machine gun is and that they are pretty much unobtainable unless layers of licensing and whole new field of regulations.
BTW, if you are going to play along, be accurate and informed in your discussions here. If the tables were turned, you would be insistent that I was.
BTW, this website is fun. Often times has a satirical feel to it.
Thanks!
“Why wasn’t the Xbox and TV in a safe too?”
Next time a burglar breaks into my house, I’ll fire my Xbox at him. I rarely call out stupidity when I see it because I value civility, but you’ve jumped the shark there.
“All in all the home needs the considered the “safe”…”
There are very few homes that are configured as a “safe.” Even a single window compromises the integrity to the extent that it is not a safe. Typical houses will never have a Amsec BF rating.
If there were no irresponsible gun owners some children would not die and some criminals would not be able to obtain firearms. If you are a responsible gun owner you would support the bill because it would not effect you – assuming you are responsible gun owner.
The fact is that in 65% of burglaries where someone is at home, the victim knew the perpetrator (bjs.gov statistics). If you have those kinds of friends, perhaps you need make your house a safe.
Just like if you own a car and leave the keys in it, if you own a gun and keep it where someone could steal it, you are not a victim. You are just chum.
“What would be the reality you state if someone broke into a home and stole the gun?”
You’ve moved the goal post from your first fantastical, unbound by reality example. And yet, even in the revised scenrio it is pure fantasy to think the person breaking in would not be prosecuted. I should not have to point this out but – stealing a gun is still a crime under the bill.
“Machine guns.” Intentionally used. I don’t play the semantic games that the gun nuts fequently use to derail reasonable disussion.
The law only asks gun owers to be responsible and store guns according to the NRA’s own guidlines, and keep them away from children and mentally unfit people like the Sandy Hook murderer.
How is that any imposition for resposible gun owners?
Also, this:
“If there were no irresponsible gun owners some children would not die and some criminals would not be able to obtain firearms. If you are a responsible gun owner you would support the bill because it would not effect you – assuming you are responsible gun owner.
The fact is that in 65% of burglaries where someone is at home, the victim knew the perpetrator (bjs.gov statistics). If you have those kinds of friends, perhaps you need make your house a safe.”
AR stands for Assault Rifle. You cannot change my mind on this.
Dave, AR can stand for whatever you want, but I stand against this bill, you cannot change my mind on this. The shitbag criminal shouldn’t have broken into a home. And a “responsible” gun owner isn’t going to want to fumble around with a safe (that still could be broken into or stolen itself) in order to defend or subdue. (Don’t understand the liberal mindset of self defense and why they are so opposed to it.)
Breaking a window with the intention to burglarize (referencing Dave’s post above) is a crime and the perp needs to be under the jail. Don’t blame the homeowner for having windows.
Just because one knows someone, doesn’t mean they are a friend.
All in all, this bill is stupid, and could very well put a “responsible” (definition yet to be determined and has moving goal posts as well) gunowner in jeopardy because of a criminal act done by someone else. Plus a gun owner will always be a “chum” if the view of some, but yet these same folks are protected daily by folks with guns. Hmmm. Hypocrisy.
As I said, I enjoy this blog, even though its always the same 4 or 5 posting on it, but someone, me, has to get back to work to help pay for these ignorant legislators.
“responsible”
I love it when privileged white people are afraid of legal jeopardy. It’s adorable.
AR stands for arrogant redneck. I won’t be reading replies.
“white people”
Vanella= racist fuck
care to explain? are you triggered? feeling faint?
would you like me to explain what racism is or would you rather stay wildly ignorant?
i’m cool either way. i find white-bread mayo-brained nonsense very funny. just pointing out a factoid, my dude.
It’s simple. He’s afraid. Very afraid. Hence the gun.
“And a “responsible” gun owner isn’t going to want to fumble around with a safe (that still could be broken into or stolen itself) in order to defend or subdue. (Don’t understand the liberal mindset of self defense and why they are so opposed to it.)”
First, I am not a liberal. Second, most guns are not stolen when the “victims” are home and if you aren’t home, you aren’t personally defending home and hearth. That gun you keep under the mattress (where every half smart criminal looks) could have been put away in a rated safe. Lastly, if you know anything about safes, you know that safes are rated for intrusion, and if you bought a little jack in the box safe, then that’s on you.
Your arguments do not stand up against critical thinking and analysis. They are simply emotional responses against a perceived limit on your right to do as you wish regardless of the cost or damage to others.
And just for the record, if you lived out in the woods somewhere and not as member of a society, I would recognize your right to having no societal obligations and to act as you wish. However, you don’t. You enjoy the benefits of civilization and society and consequently incur the obligation to your fellow citizens and society. If you cannot or will not fulfill those obligations, I have no objection to you relocating to that place where you can do as you wish. Give Murica my regards when you get there.
so some one breaks into my house at 2am in the pitch dark, into a house they dont know the lay out of, gets past my 2 dogs, sprints up the stairs (without knowing where the stairs are), directly to my bedroom (where i am still sound asleep with the dogs going nuts and a window has been broken to gain entry) kicks in my locked bedroom door and runs directly to where i have my handgun safe and steals it. they do all this before i can key in the 4 digit code to open the safe? those criminals have nothing on danny ocean.
As with all gun threads, when unpacked there is only one argument they can come up with.
Just as one drop of beer on the tongue will inevitably turn a person into an alcoholic, so one drop of gun sanity on the tongue of America will turn the 2nd amendment into dust.
That is the fear they live with day in and day out. That and the crips breaking down their doors. This are the fears they live with day in and day out.