DL Open Thread Tuesday, Oct. 1, 2024

Filed in Open Thread by on October 1, 2024

Israel has let slip its dogs of war with a military invasion of Lebanon. If the idea is to wipe out Hezbollah, well, it didn’t work last time, it almost certainly won’t work this time, and it won’t work next time they try it, either. Biden was willing to get us out of Afghanistan. Why won’t he pump the brakes on this murderous partnership?

A judge in Georgia, Robert McBurney, struck down the state’s six-week abortion ban. Noting that many women don’t even know they’re pregnant at six weeks, McBurney wrote,

When a fetus growing inside a woman reaches viability, when society can assume care and responsibility for that separate life, then – and only then – may society intervene.

For these women, the liberty of privacy means that they alone should choose whether they serve as human incubators for the five months leading up to viability. It is not for a legislator, a judge, or a commander from The Handmaid’s Tale to tell these women what to do with their bodies during this period when the fetus cannot survive outside the womb any more so than society could – or should – force them to serve as a human tissue bank or to give up a kidney for the benefit of another.

It’s good to have jurists who’ve read the classics.

East Coast dock workers, as expected, went on strike at midnight yesterday. Higher wages are the headline ask, but the sticking point appears to be the union’s demand to ban automation in a field that’s automating rapidly in the rest of the world. If this tactic worked throughout history, all our sweaters would still be woven by hand.

Pete Rose, baseball’s boorish all-time hit king, was found dead in his Las Vegas home. I didn’t realize he lived there, but it’s a logical place for a guy who was banned for life for gambling to sell his memorabilia. Who’s more likely to overlook your vice than a bunch of guys who share it?

The floor’s yours.

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  1. All Seeing says:

    I loved Pete Rose and he was flawed like me. You are right about guys forgave him because they did the same activities. Hypocrisy is not my thing but I still think he should have been forgiven. Look at Trump what he got away with and he was President, flaws and all. God bless America and Pete Rose too.

    • Alby says:

      He was a stone-cold asshole for a lot of reasons beyond his gambling. “Boorish” was me being polite.

      • Al Catraz says:

        Agreed. However, we do seem to ask a lot of people whose primary qualification is the ability to hit a ball with a stick, etc.. On the other hand, basic decency is not a big ask.

        Speaking of which, in my final Jerry Price report, he’s handing out f-bombs on his front page message board.

  2. puck says:

    It is disingenuous to say Israel has “invaded Lebanon.” It would be more accurate to say Israel is attacking Hezbollah in south Lebanon.

    Hezbollah controls south Lebanon with the uneasy assent of the actual elected government, which has been relegated to the North. It’s sort of as if some US militia group took over, say, the US Northwest, and ignored Federal control (while still not seceding).

    If the West wants to help, they can assist the elected government of Lebanon to expel Hezbollah from its borders.

    Anti-Israel westerners would like to lazily cut-and-paste their Gaza slogans to apply to Lebanon. But south Lebanon/Hezbollah is a totally different can of worms.

    Hezbollah is the crown jewel in Iran’s stable of terrorist proxies, which also includes Hamas and the Houthis. This allows Iran to conduct a war against Israel but with Palestinians having the dying and destruction. Which bolster the far-right religious regime in Iran.

    Netanyahu seems to have some clue that degrading Hezbollah power will destabilize and possibly topple the regime in Iran. Not saying he is correct, but seems like a worthy objective, and I’ll put Israel’s knowledge of Iran internal politics over mine.

    • Alby says:

      It is disingenuous to pretend that sending your soldiers into another country isn’t an invasion.

      To play Ellie’s game, if we sent US soldiers into Mexico to confront the drug cartels, would that or would that not be characterized as an invasion? Not by us, sure, but it would be by Mexico.

      • puck says:

        Pretending Lebanon is a single sovereign country is what I find disingenuous. “Lebanon” doesn’t control or defend its southern precincts – Hezbollah does.

        Thanks to Iran (and open ports of entry), Hezbollah has a much larger military force than the Lebanese government.

        • letterbox says:

          You are the kind of bigot who is enabling genocide. I guess you won’t be happy until you see hundreds of thousands of disarticulated Palestinian limbs and the Strait of Hormuz closed? Enjoy your six dollar gas, fucko.

    • puck says:

      Oddly, Hezbollah denies Israeli forces have invaded, and at this early stage the whole thing might be Israeli disinformation designed to keep Hezbollah and Iran off balance. Hardly a dramatic full-scale land invasion:

      An Associated Press reporter saw Israeli troops operating near the border in armored trucks, with helicopters circling overhead, but could not confirm ground forces had crossed into Lebanon….

      Neither the Lebanese army nor a U.N. peacekeeping force that patrols southern Lebanon have confirmed that Israeli forces entered…

      Hezbollah spokesman Mohammed Afif dismissed what he said were “false claims” of an Israeli incursion…

  3. elliej says:

    Heczbollah ATTACKED Israel on October 8th. If a terrorist group had initiated hostilities toward us by lobbing rockets, say, New England from Canada and we had to evacuate a large swath of our north to keep America safe, wouldn’t we have tried to take out the terrorist so our citizens could safely return to their homes? WHY IS ISRAEL ALWAYS SEEN AS “THE AGGRESSOR WHEN THEY RESPOND TO ATTACKS INITIATED BY OTHERS????

    • Alby says:

      Because of how they respond. There are a lot of ways to respond. They choose methods so disproportionate that they lose all sympathy on the world stage.

      I’m sorry I had to explain what is blindingly obvious to most others.

  4. Wayne S Whirld says:

    Israel is doing what they need to do. Iran is the bad party here not Israel. US has tried to tie Israel’s hands in this conflict just like we are doing to Ukraine. US gives weapons too late and then says don’t use them. Less people would have died if Israel and Ukraine would have been allowed to defend themselves without restrictions. It could have been settled months ago.

  5. letterbox says:

    Is everyone other than Alby in the comments section smoking crack today?

    There is a GENOCIDE happening in Palestine and anyone who celebrates a Lebanon incursion is a bigot or an idiot (or both).

  6. Eric Blair says:

    A resistance leader may be killed, but the resistance continues.

    Yeah, to racist ethno-nationalists segregationists (Zionists) everything is permitted.

  7. Eric Blair says:

    CNN’s Jim Sciutto confirms Israel is using human shields as their command and control centers are in populated areas Tel Aviv.

  8. Alby says:

    The great part about revenge is that after the first bad act, every bad act that follows is “justified.” It’s even greater when the initial bad act is viewed as a good act by the side that commits it. That way they can argue forever about which was the initiating bad act and keep the game going forever.

  9. nathan arizona says:

    Blame on both sides. Here you got your Hamas and Hezbollah, and over here you got Netanyahu. It’s a crazy world.