The Governor Of Utah (Yes, Utah!) Fails Conservative Litmus Test
Via John Cole:
Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr.’s appearance at a Michigan county Republican Party event was scrapped this week after the county chairwoman said that hosting the moderate Utah governor would mean abandoning the party’s conservative principles.
Kent County Republican Party Chairwoman Joanne Voorhees abruptly canceled the party fundraiser scheduled for Saturday.
“The voters want and expect us to stand on principle and return to our roots. Unfortunately, by holding an event with Governor Huntsman, we would be doing the exact opposite,” Voorhees wrote in an e-mail quoted in The Grand Rapids Press.
Voorhees did not specify which issues she felt were contrary to the party’s principles and did not return messages left at the party headquarters and on her cell phone.
The group Campaign for Michigan Families praised the cancellation, attributing it to Huntsman’s support of civil unions, and urged the Oakland and Kalamazoo county parties, where Huntsman is also scheduled to speak this weekend, to do the same.
Guess he failed the civil unions test. It seems even Republican litmus tests have litmus tests. It’s almost as if they’re trying to out conservative each other. We are witnessing political suicide, and I’ll put money on that 21% dropping lower.
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OMG.
I love this story so much that I’d marry it if I were not already married and getting married to stories of GOP swirling down the toilet bowl was legal.
I always thought the conservative roots were shooting a couple rounds of golf at the country club on a Tuesday and having some butler-services cocktails afterward while your stockpiles of cash works for you?
It is just simply amazing. None of us have witnessed the collapse and death of a political party before. The last time it happened to a major political party was in the 1850’s when the Whigs died. No, the Bull Moose Party and Perot’s Reform Parties were not major parties.
So the implosion is spectactular to witness for all of us. Personally, I am really surprised it is happening so quickly. I thought what is happening now would happen after the 2012 reelection of President Obama over Sarah Palin. I think the GOP has about six months of life left to it. I think it will break up at that time.
Repubs ought to be experiencing a new wave of retirements soon… they will get some fresh blood then. I’d expect the first wave to get slaughtered, but they’d be gaining political experience.
On the other hand, they might just bring forth an army of Mike Protacks.
I don’t know anon. How many potential candidates want to jump on board with the Republican party now? The only people they’ll be able to attract are the Michele Bachmann-type nuts, who can only win in overwhelmingly gerrymandered Republican districts.
In fact, right now, I’d say that Republicans have too much voice relative to their actual effectiveness. Republicans are basically now the party of white, conservative, evangelical, Southern men, and their opinions represent only 21% of the nation although they take up the majority of the Sunday talk show guests. I guess the Democrats are the party of everybody else.
anon,
How are Republicans going to attract people under 40? Under-40s (under 30s, especially) don’t care about gay marriage, but do care about the environment and science. None of them will be able to pass the purity test.
I just cross-posted this at DP.
My war is so on now.
UI, you hit the nail on the head. They’ve lost the next generation of voters. Lost ’em. Hell, most of their leadership don’t even believe in evolution.
RSmitty, your war is with yourself.
A1…shhh….I’m having a moment.
Most people under 40 don’t buy gay marriage either. The younger people are the more likely they are to oppose abortion. They are like myself.
Now let’s look at the tea parties, who showed up? A lot of people under 40. The Democrats just made a temporary comeback because of the ineptness of the GOP and they think that it is some generational shift. In ten years that attitude will be stuff of jokes.
Smitty is right in regard to his post. I believe this is puzzling at best, rude and stupid at worst, but unrepresentative of the party.
Most people under 40 don’t buy gay marriage either. The younger people are the more likely they are to oppose abortion.
Cite your sources.
David wrote Most people under 40 don’t buy gay marriage either.
Goodness, stop pulling facts out of your ass. Recent polling in California states that 55% of those 18 to 39 support Same Sex Marriage.
Way to create your data as you go along, David.
People under 40 certainly do support same-sex marriage in a pretty decisive majority.
Oppose abortion and want to make it illegal, or just oppose it? It is possible, David, to not like abortion and still want it legal. That’s a pro-choice position. Just like choosing to have a baby does not equate to pro-life.
We’ll assume David’s abortion statistics have the same fecal smell.
31% of those over 40 support gay marriage, 57% of those under 40 support it.
From recent nationwide NYTimes/CBS poll
Let’s see 55% in liberal CA and 15% in MS, MO ect does not a majority make. Your own numbers make my case as does the exit polls in every state a vote was held. Even in CA and WA when they go to the polls people vote for tradition. In those states they may be afraid to tell someone on the phone because of threats to their jobs and businesses. The left has become dictatorial and intolerant. Thank God for secret ballots.
Hey David,
What part of “57% of those under 40 support it” are you finding difficult to understand?
The irony about Huntsman is that, in a party that had not lost its sanity, he would project as likely the most electable candidate the R’s could nominate for President.
Hey, let him come on over. The D’s wouldn’t mind winning a US Senate seat in Utah.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/general_current_events/religious_denominations_weigh_in_on_same_sex_marriage
2/3 of Americans oppose same sex marriage that is why President Obama is afraid to say what he believes on the issue. In 2004 55% of the people considered this an important issue and overwhelmingly supported Bush. President Obama understands that this issue could end the Democrat comeback as quickly as it came. Not even a majority of Democrats favor it. Fortunately the rest of the left does not.
I think that you have a misread that poll you quote because it doesn’t match other polls or the results of elections. Not to mention if 55% of under 40 in CA takes that point of view and less than 20% of under 40 across the south take that point of view that averages to less not more than a majority. Use what little common sense you have and not your political spinning.
First of all your quoting quoting Rasmussen which has a known Right-tilt.
Second of all you quoting 2004 numbers — the world has changed since then or maybe you haven’t noticed.
Time will resolve this issue, David.
Nate does the math.
And if you get to use Rasmussen I get to use 538 – and Nate’s track record is better!
pandora, that’s because Nate uses . . . facts.
Those are not 2004 numbers in the link. The reminder about the Bush victory is for perspective. Even with questions about the war, this issue had the power to win his reelection. The world hasn’t changed more than 2 points from all the polling I sift through, even in CA you guys can’t win with all of the stops pulled and the courts giving cover.
As for Rasmussen, he is the man when it comes to accuracy. The independent studies show him to be the most accurate pollster of all of the public polling firms. Not to mention that he accurately predicted the Presidential election to the point and predicted every state, every senate seat, every governorship, and the house gains. I don’t care if he is right, left or martian. He is on the money.
Spiritual revival will resolve the issue. There is a quite demographic shift. People are becoming evangelicals at a rate significantly exceeding the birth rate. Add to that fact immigration is mostly of Catholics, Muslims, and Pentecostals. The ground will shift alright, 25 years from now this will be seen for the sad joke that it is.
Huh? So the GOP is set to become the standard bearer for a fundamentalist nation? That’s not going to help, either.
Good luck Smitty.
It is the future. The numbers don’t lie. This post modern crap is a failure and it will collapse in pile under its own weight.
David, the influx of people you are talking about have brown skin. You guys don’t let them into your country clubs, let alone play well with immigrants.
It’s been awhile since a lococito has hijacked a thread.
Made El Somnambulo realize how much he hasn’t missed it.
I love people with “brown skin” and a majority GOP will sport a lot more with brown skin so get used to it. 🙂
The left will alienate them. In 2004 Hispanics were as likely to support Bush as Kerry. Hopefully by 2012 the GOP will be able to talk secure borders without sounding like it wants to round up everyone with an accent. Bush was right the GOP needs to look to the future. Its natural base includes socially conservative blacks, Asians, and Hispanics.
Its natural base includes socially conservative blacks, Asians, and Hispanics.
Good economic policies will trump social conservatism any time. People still out of work or underemployed in two years’ time aren’t going to vote for the rich white guys who support the rich white guys’ right to make as much money as they want.
When you go to the great white throne judgment, God won’t ask your tax policy. He will judge your abortion policy. Money is not the be all end all.
Besides your long run economic policies are scary. There won’t be many rich white guys left or black women or Latinos for that matter. The American dream will be on life support until Sarah Palin comes and saves us all.
When you go to the great white throne judgment, God won’t ask your tax policy. He will judge your abortion policy.
Isn’t there a corollary to Godwin’s Law that covers arguments like this?
The American dream will be on life support until Sarah Palin comes and saves us all.
Will she be wearing a superhero costume? I’d stick around for that.
I pray to God every night that Sarah Palin is your nominee, David.
With both of us praying for it, hopefully it happens.
When you go to the great white throne judgment, God won’t ask your tax policy. He will judge your abortion policy.
So, when does the nation stand before God?
On a personal choice level, fine. I can’t argue. On a government level, I can and I will. My Christian beliefs tell me I can NOT impose my will (personal Christian beliefs) upon someone else, as that needs to be a free will choice of that person. That’s why, when I hear/see how the Republican Party will lead this nation into, or through, a spiritual revival (on way to becoming a Fundamentalist nation), I say, “not a freaking chance.”
Shhh…don’t bother David with facts. Keep flogging the gay marriage things, it’s a surefire winner for the GOP!
God judges nations as well as individuals. The founders understood this. We can pretend otherwise to our peril.
The Republican Party will not lead a spiritual revival. The revival is occurring and it will naturally affect politics. It could be a new third party or a changed Democrat Party as well as the GOP only 60% of Christians are Republican and that can change quickly if the social left takes the party off the cliff.
60% of christians are republicans? what percentage of Nazis were christians david?
btw good to see ya again
turd
and that can change quickly if the social left takes the party off the cliff.
The Republicans are far too beholden to its base. The Democrats could actually afford to pay a little more attention to the lefties. We have been right about everything after all.
Lefties are right?
It took me 38 years (last year) to finally learn my left from my right and you just put my brain into a tizzy!
What a week I picked to quit sniffing glue!
Send in the card now, Smitty.
David’s not citing his source for this, but I’m pretty sure it was a conversation God had with him last week. God also told David to invest in mortgage securities and that Nicholas Cage movies were “awesome”. Oh, and God wears Crocs.
What the founders understood best was that they weren’t entirely sure what God was like or what His plan was. These were men who rejected the idea of dogmacracy from a King who was also the head of the church.
For what it is worth Gay Marraige has never won in a public vote only when Judges and some legislatures bypass the voters. Precisely why Obama and all other major Dems oppose gay marriage.
Civil unions are another matter. That test has never been put to the voters and the outcome might be in the affirmative.
Mike Protack
X,
#44 . Awesome.
X-44 was my morning chuckle!
And you guys like Huntsman? Oh we got more where he came from!!
Joanne,
I don’t know about everyone else but I don’t automatically hate Republicans. I just can’t stand the ones in power right now. I long for the days of sensible Republicans.
FWIW, I hate crocs. Am I going to hell?
Delaware Republican, Civil Unions have been put to the test. In AZ, people did not want to close the door on them. In OH, MO, and MS they did reject them in a Constitutional amendment. In CA people accept them enough that the opponents did not even try to repeal them. It varies state by state.
UI- Thanks for not coming equipped w/ your auto pilot option.
But FTR, I hate Crocs too–on adults–really cute on lil’ kids though–so if you are going to Hell, then I guess I am too–so maybe that’s why it’s Hell?
I’m really not the one to ask about these spiritual issues. I gotta get my humanity issues nailed down first. I guess I’m just defaulting to a life lived intentionally, not institutionally.
So, from the latter part of this thread, I am getting that for the Republican Party to loosen the hell up and welcome back the moderates, centrists, Progressives, etc., we have to go to Salt Lake City for the awakening?
Wow. Irony is certainly rich.
P.S.: crocks are ugly, too expensive for shaped plastic, and murder for foot support.
“For what it is worth Gay Marraige has never won in a public vote only when Judges and some legislatures bypass the voters.”
When legislatures bypass the voters? This is someone who wants to be governor (or any other office he can find)? A guy who believes that a vote in the legislature is a way of “bypassing the voters”?
This is the pinnacle of conservative thought in Delaware, all righty.
I’m with you Geezer. Aren’t your elected officials supposed to represent you? If they don’t, they should be voted out of office for someone better. That’s what elections are for.
Yes, Smitty I do find it ironic that we’re looking at Utah for moderate Republicans. I think the term “moderate Republican” has actually been redefined to mean “not batshit insane.”
LOL, Joanne, I think you’re right that they make you wear crocs in Hell.