Comment Rescue: Selander Asks…
“Why not call President of the Senate John Carney as well? Carney tells everybody all the time that he has the experience to get things done in the legislature. Why doesn’t he use this experience to actually get this voted on? The Senators who are holding this up are all on the leadership of his campaign committee.”
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John , if you want my vote, you are going to have to do something to get Bluewater past the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. They’re your guys.
If you pull it off, you gain a lot of credibility.
If you don’t, how can you expect us to have overwhelming confidence in your ability to get things done for the next four years?
I was going to call him but he is probably on his way to Newark for the DEM dinner here tonight. I will ask him in person.
Even better.
He has publicly stated he supports the wind power initiative. Maybe he’s backpedaling like our putative Governor, or maybe he’s not.
Let’s see what influence he really has, and let’s see whether he’s willing to roll up his sleeves and work on this. For me, it will be a defining issue for the fall. Does he plan to be Delaware’s governor or Delmarva’s governor?
Jason – you still haven’t answered the question I posed in the comments section of another posting on this site.
If this does happen to get through the Senate, are you going to be as vocal in your accolades of Carney for getting this done?
Now that we have Jack Markell’s lap dog Selander chiming in (fetch doggy, fetch) it seems even more relevant a question.
I find your silence on this very interesting — your more than happy to call Carney out for having these Senators as his supporters. Can we expect you to acknowledge his role in helping get this deal done if it moves in the Senate?
Lets hear it.
Fonz,
Tell Mr and Mrs. C we said hello. Richie and Joanie, too.
Certainly. If John Carney, who followed Jack’s lead as a statewide proponent of wind power, manages to help get the Senate to vote in support of a proposal that has a 90% approval rating among the public, I at least will certainly thank him for it.
Fonzy’s been bending over for Carney’s schlong these past few months. I actually enjoy his pompous appearances.
If this does happen to get through the Senate, are you going to be as vocal in your accolades of Carney for getting this done?
If Carney gets Adam, McDowell and DeLuca to relent I would be be vocal in my acolades.
My vocal accoades would put your vocal accolades to shame.
My vocal accolades are a million times more kick ass than your vocal accolades.
My middle name will be “muther fucking vocal accolades all over your bitch ass.”
I hope Carney put me to the test.
Brian:
Other than issue press releases about wind power, what has Jack Markell actually done to get the Bluewater deal approved? Seriously – name one *actual* piece of work that he has done aside from press releases and collateral campaign literature.
And no, to answer your question in advance, writing a letter to the PSC or Delmarva doesn’t count if it was only written to accompany a press release or a blog posting on his campaign site. That’s shameless self promotion posing as actual work — something that Jack is exceedingly good at by the way.
He has a phone in his office, and even if most of the elected Democrats in the state don’t support him, he certainly doesn’t lose anything by calling them and asking them to support the proposal. Someone who truly supported the cause of wind power wouldn’t think twice about this.
Who in the Senate has he called and urged to support this proposal? Please do share some names and dates with us.
Thanks in advance.
Jason:
Glad to hear it. Your not as big a pussy as I thought you were.
basically, jason is saying that his oral is fucking awesome and way better than your oral fonzy
I’d like Carney to surprise me on this – but my sense is that he works or Adams & Co.
Fonzy – Part of being a public servant is building public support for issues. Jack was, far and away, the most vocal proponent of offshore wind for months and helped build statewide support for the issue.
Once the poll came out that 90 percent of the state supports it, others joined on.
As fun as it might be to share Jack’s personal phone logs with an anonymous internet commenter, your leather jacket’s cutting off your circulation if you think that will happen.
Selander — You’re reaching. In fact, you passed “reaching” a long time ago.
The list of “most vocal proponents” goes to about page 3 before it ever lists a statewide elected official. You saying otherwise does a great disservice to many volunteer activists who suffered greatly and sacrificed a lot to see wind become a reality.
Markell did what he does, which is to latch on to a politically popular idea and try to become the face of it like he tried to do with Oberle’s college investment plan & M.R. Henry/Nehemiah Gateway’s EITC program, among others.
All of this while the state debt doubled on his watch…
Come on, Brian. Level with the people.
Plus, I’d like to see some evidence of Jack’s support of the wind farm BEFORE the release of the UD poll. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but I don’t remember it that way.
FSP – you raise a good point. I should have said the most vocal statewide elected.
Brian:
I think there is a reason that Jack has been so quiet on this issue of late. (And lets face it, Jack Markell not promoting himself is like Mike Mathews without a turkey drum in each hand — its a rare thing.)
I think its something you and others in the Markell campaign don’t want anyone talking about — Jack Markell wants the Bluewater Wind deal to die.
Here’s why:
Ever since Markell got outflanked by Carney on this issue — by getting Babcock & Brown to agree to put all of the new wind power jobs (not just those from the Delaware project) in this state — it has been a political liability for him. That’s precisely why he has been silent on this issue for months, and why he’s willing to stand by now and remain silent.
If the deal gets done now, it is Carney who will be the hero, not Markell. If it fails, not only does Carney not have this advantage but Jack will get to claim that John can’t get his own supporters in the Senate to pass proposals he favors.
You’ve already telegraphed this argument with your comments that started this thread. I have friends in Dover that tell me that the Markell camp is spinning this line of logic something fierce. It only works if the Bluewater wind deal dies.
Do the political calculus people — who in the Democratic party has more to lose politically if this deal goes through? Who has more to gain if it dies?
The answer is simple; Jack Markell.
This is sickeningly cloying to me since you are Charlie are working for Delmarva now.
The list of “most vocal proponents” goes to about page 3 before it ever lists a statewide elected official. You saying otherwise does a great disservice to many volunteer activists who suffered greatly and sacrificed a lot to see wind become a reality.
Fonzy’s argument is not unlike R’s arguing that Dems root for bad news from Iraq b/c political gain trumps all. It is both demagogic and sickening.
I will give John Carney loads of credit if he is able to make Bluewater work. I’ll probably vote for him.
His entire raison d’etre is that he is best able to lead b/c of the relationships he’s developed with people like Sens. Adams, McDowell and DeLuca. If he is able to get them and Delmarva’s top lobbyist and Carney supporter Joe Farley to come together for the greater good, he will have demonstrated true leadership ability.
If not, it will raise the question: Who is leading and who is following?
Fonzy — Because of you, I now forever will hate the rest of the Muppets. Thanks for that Dave / Fonzy.
Um, I think you’re mistaking his name for “Fozzy,” if you’re thinking of the Muppet bear.
“Markell did what he does, which is to latch on to a politically popular idea and try to become the face of it ….”
Like the Senate Repubs w/ open government.
Thanks Al — I slipped into a coma reading his drivelpiss and got those two icons from the late 70’s jumbled — Leather Jacket / Pleather smokescreens…I’m good now.
I think that you all are being unfair to Carney.
1. It was Carney who got BWW to agree to put its turbine manufacturing facility in DE if the contract went through.
2. It was Carney who worked out the deal w/ Del Tech to provide training/a program in alternative energy technology in anticipation that the deal would go through.
You don’t do those kinds of things if your support for offshore windpower is token, confined to a few edifying press releases on the subject.
It would be great if Carney could persuade Adams, McDowell & DeLuca (who I heard from one report might be changing his view…I pray that it’s true), but that is an unfair test. Adams is the most powerful politician in DE bar none. If he were supporting Markell. Jack couldn’t get him to change his mind if Adams wasn’t a mind to change it.
But, hey, who knows? Maybe Jack Markell can use some of his DLC connections and Brian’s old pal Torture Tom Carper, to get Adams to change his mind. Why isn’t that the test?
Selander’s original post is the smoking gun. That guy is one of Markell’s closest campaign advisors, and it reads like he almost couldn’t help himself but telegraph the argument. Again, that argument only works if the Bluewater wind deal dies.
Hey, if I’m wrong I’m sure we’ll hear lots from Jack Markell on this issue in the weeks ahead.
If I’m right we won’t — unless the deal finally does go south, and Jack’s argument will sound a whole lot like the one Selander made at the begining of this thread.
ummm I don’t think Markell or Selander will have much pull with ole Torturin’ Tom or Vermin Adams. Just my thoughts tho
“Markell or Selander will have much pull with ole Torturin’ Tom ”
Really? Brian worked for Tom & Tom & Jack are long time DLC bros (actually, both have held official positions w/i the DLC).
I think Selander AND Markell (BOTH) ought to use their influence w/ Tom and see if he’ll talk to Adams.
Why would a United States Senator who had an admittedly rocky (although ultimately successful) relationship with the legislature when he was Governor have more impact than the President of the Senate?
On the politics of this – This isn’t me speaking up for Jack. I want Bluewater to happen. It’s the right thing for Delaware.
While I appreciate the psychoanalysis, my real thinking here is that, hopefully, pressure on Carney at least gives him the ability to go to Adams, et. al and say “do this for me. I need this.”
Here’s what I would have said if I was doing this as a pro-Markell pitch:
I’m not at all moved by the “John got BWW to promise things” argument. At this point, BWW needed the “…and unlike on-shore wind, we’re bringing new jobs to Delaware!” line to offset Delmarva’s latest round of arguments.
If their choice is “put some jobs in Delaware and get a multi-Billion dollar deal” or “don’t sweeten the offer and not” it’s an easy choice.
BWW is also bidding in other states. Having Delaware under way would likely be a plus to their scoring on those other bids.
If John’s point is “look at all that I got them to promise” but the State Senate is blocking it the entire time – it’s an empty promise.
Fonzy – you do have me curious about who you are. Why not use your real name?
Carney is most assuredly having to deal with the Del. (Corporate) Public Policy Institute, and the other think tankers in Delaware!
He will do as they say! Same for the rest of the gang.
“Why would a United States Senator who had an admittedly rocky (although ultimately successful) relationship with the legislature when he was Governor have more impact than the President of the Senate?”
That is is a false dilemma. Why can’t BOTH Carney & Carper try?
“This isn’t me speaking up for Jack. I want Bluewater to happen. It’s the right thing for Delaware.”
“Why would a United States Senator who had an admittedly rocky (although ultimately successful) relationship with the legislature when he was Governor have more impact than the President of the Senate?”
That is is a false dilemma. You can both want BWW to come to DE and use this as a political opportunity for Markelll–which it appears that you are doing. Otherwise, no one would have to point out to you that BOTH Carney and Carper could try to influence Adams.
But perhaps you know, as well all do, that Adams is the soul of stubbornness and Jesus Christ probably couldn’t get him to change his mind. That way Carney gets all the blame.
“I’m not at all moved by the “John got BWW to promise things” argument. At this point, BWW needed the “…and unlike on-shore wind, we’re bringing new jobs to Delaware!” line to offset Delmarva’s latest round of arguments.
If their choice is “put some jobs in Delaware and get a multi-Billion dollar deal” or “don’t sweeten the offer and not” it’s an easy choice.”
If it’s so easy, I wonder why Markell didn’t score it. But it is curious that Markell can write a few press releases supporting Blue Water and show up at a few meetings and say a few words supporting it and that counts as huge & meaningful support. But Carney getting BWW to promise jobs and that counts for nothing.
I notice you forgot to mention the Del Tech training program as well. No doubt that was also proof of Carney’s insincerity.
I guess Carney needed to put out a few more press releases.
“If John’s point is “look at all that I got them to promise” but the State Senate is blocking it the entire time – it’s an empty promise.”
Well, if the Senate turns it down, I guess Markell’s press releases of support will be empty support as well. 😉