QOD
Why are people more worried about the lazy, black (ooops) poor person gaming the welfare system for a measily 10k a year and not more up in arms about corporate america gaming the FILL IN THE BLANK?
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It makes them feel superior.
At least they’re(corporate america) working.
obviously h. hasn’t worked in corporate america.
The sheer volume of weekday blog posts here from contributors “working” in corporate America proves Nemski’s point.
The answer lies in an extension of Pandora’s comment. People complain b/c they aspire to make 6 figures in corporate America for doing nothing. It’s actually nice for a while but alas if you have a conscience in becomes difficult to sleep at night. I know from personal experience. I haven’t had a good night’s sleep in two years without the aid of Maker’s Mark and Stella Artois.
Stella?
What are you? A Ghey Euro-lovin’, Merican-hating, Marxist wannabe, metro-trash-sexual?
Drink Bud or die!!!!! Oh wait…..
Yes and yes. I also love Stella’s old slogan in the UK. —“Reassuringly expensive”
Maker’s Mark is distilled in Kentucky though.
InBev bro…
I will only address lazy. And it is generally more than 10K per year. And many times it is given (welfare benefits) because of hidden assets–and I’m not talking off shore accounts, but under the table earnings, vehicles (can’t be assesed in inventory for qualification), non-documentation of parenthood or spouse, etc., etc., etc., which I ask and learn everyday. If you readers and writers would remember that Medicaid, with few exceptions (chronic child disease, pregnancy), was to be reserved for the poorest of the poor, to access healthcare to the best, you would be angry too. It is the Gold Card in this state. And no it’s not about feeling superior. It’s about being tired working 2 jobs (one for health care coverage), and it’s about being the “player’s” chump to pick up the tab. Sit with me 3 days on the phone, or the front desk as recipients no-show for their appointments, cancel because they will be in DisneyWorld, switch off weeks because they won’t be back from Hawaii, and explain to a mother that teeth whitening is not a provided service for her daughter in a Miss Delaware pageant, and that no insurance I know of will pay for that. Ah yes, fraud is fraud. Top to bottom–at least I know corporate America at some point in time was a contributing member of society. But neither is greater or lesser in my POV. They all undermine a greater mission, and give caution to aid those who really need and can’t provide for themselves.
Xenophobia.
Phil Grahm’s bank UBS aided 17,000 people like Olenicoff avoid paying billions in taxes.
I smell a pardon.
I rest my case.
wow, a few people that are lower-class are gaming the system and bilking us for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
A few companies go bankrupt and our pension system paid by the taxpayers get’s hit for 3,000,000,000.00 and JC laments about a couple going to Disney.
Oh the tragedy
Damn that republican congress, always putting profit ahead of the people’s welfare. If only we had a solid democratic majority to end this silliness.
to answer the question… because it is easier to be upset about the day to day abuses on a one on one basis than it is to be upset that a machine larger than you can imagine is being babied by another machine larger than you can imagine using numbers larger than you can comprehend.
It’s all perspective. The same people bitch about getting charged $4 for a twice-scanned item at the supermarket, but doesn’t price shop when it comes to signing a loan for a car worth half what they are paying for.
Its also hard to believe that the HOPECHANGECHANGECHANGEHOPE! democrats you all voted for really don’t give a fuck
Good Catholic’s like Tom are typical. You’d think though, I guy that loves his church so much wouldn’t vote GOP. Even the pope was against the War.
please don’t use foul language tom. I don’t want you to go to hell.
The war on the working class continues. Notice how upset the Republicans are about all those greedy autoworkers and their healthcare benefits but barely utter a peep about AIG using taxpayer money to pay executive bonuses.
Don, if you’re going to speak about Catholic doctrine you should make a point of knowing it.
“The war on the working class continues. Notice how upset the Republicans are about all those greedy autoworkers and their healthcare benefits but barely utter a peep about AIG using taxpayer money to pay executive bonuses.”
http://inthesenewtimes.com/2008/10/03/house-roll-call-how-they-voted-on-bailout-bill/
While I am disappointed in how the republicans behaved in regard to be bailout I am even more disappointed in how the democrats behaved. And you probably should be too.
While I am disappointed in how the republicans behaved in regard to the bailout I am even more disappointed in how the democrats behaved.
That doesn’t make any sense. Unless you mean to say that no matter what Republicans do – you hate Democrats more. Is that it…?
All of your conservative dream policies have been enacted. Now you want to be mad at Democrats. What’s the deal Tom? Those Bad Demcorats in congress didn’t give “trickle down” a real chance?
“That doesn’t make any sense. Unless you mean to say that no matter what Republicans do – you hate Democrats more. Is that it…?”
No, I’m saying I hate taxpayer money being used to fund AIG executives’ bonuses just as much as you do. However, I put the bailout in the lap of the democrats and bearing out the voting pattern I don’t think that is unreasonable.
“All of your conservative dream policies have been enacted. ”
Far from it. Taking the financial sector as an example Freddie and Fannie were still manipulating the market to the last.
No… it seems that after voting for Bush twice he’s no longer considered a “real” conservative by Republicans. Ditto for those House and Senate Republicans Tom cheered on for the last 8 years. Suddenly Bush and the last 8 years don’t count. It isn’t that conservatism failed… it’s that it wasn’t implemented correctly by all those phony conservatives. Is that enough spin for ya?
The catholic church supports the war in iraq?
didn’t think PJ2 did…
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0223-09.htm
I’m pretty sure I know they don’t support unjust war’s Tom.
jason,
don’t you know, the theory works fine, it’s just man gets in the way of letting it work itself out. If we get the right people in office. We can make it work!
you’ll see!
“No… it seems that after voting for Bush twice he’s no longer considered a “real” conservative by Republicans. ”
No, while no president will live up to everyone’s standards (I’m sure in a year you all will be qualifying your support for Obama) I am generally satisfied with George Bush. However, to say he is the pinnacle of Conservatism is like saying Bill Clinton was the pinnacle of progressivism.
“Ditto for those House and Senate Republicans Tom cheered on for the last 8 years.”
We only picked that up in 2002 and we lost it in 2006
And if you think Mr. Castle has ever gotten my vote, or anything close to my respect you should reconsider.
“Suddenly Bush and the last 8 years don’t count. It isn’t that conservatism failed… it’s that it wasn’t implemented correctly by all those phony conservatives. ”
The last 8 years most assuredly do count and we do have things to learn from them to to characterize Conservatism as anything near “tried and failed” is grossly inaccurate.
I’m more than aware of the Church’s position on the war. I’m also aware of its position on abortion.
ahhh, the we have to go backward before we go forward strategy.
I’m sure tom supports the death penalty too. you know one of those devout Catholics. You have to kill people to make them better Christians and all that stuff
I’m more than aware of the Church’s position on the war.
so then you are one of those wishy-washy catholics then. got it.
Tom S,
“In the just-ended 110th Congress, obstructionist Senate Republicans, led by human roadblock Mitch McConnell, mounted a record 104 filibusters… To put that number in context, in the previous Congress, the 109th, in which Democrats were in the minority, there were just 54 filibusters.”
Plus the moron repub with the veto pen.
So, quit your dumb repub complaining about the Dem majority when it is your party that is blocking the will of that majority. What ever happened to your repub whining for “up or down votes”?
Repub stupidity like yours should make you blush.
“The last 8 years most assuredly do count and we do have things to learn from them to to characterize Conservatism as anything near “tried and failed” is grossly inaccurate.”
Hey Tom! You did try and you did fail. You don’t get a do-over.
“to characterize Conservatism as anything near “tried and failed” is grossly inaccurate.””
Not here it’s not. Here, truth is defined and history is written simply by what gets repeated the most often.
“to characterize Conservatism as anything near “tried and failed” is grossly inaccurate.””
No it isn’t. It is 100% accurate comrade. Get used to hearing it.
“Here, truth is defined and history is written simply by what gets repeated the most often.”
“Get used to hearing it.”
See?
OK, FSP, when in the last 60 years has conservatism been tried nationally and succeeded?
If he says JFK raised taxes – I would say that he did so without tearing up the social compact which was put into place by FDR and included progressive taxation and a social safety net.
Under JFK’s tax plan the top tax rate was a patriotic 65%.
No way I’m having that conversation here.
But I will say that asking someone to give 65% of their earned income to the government is most certainly obscene.
Run away, run away!
But I will say that Dave thinks the 17,000 tax cheats who used USB to hide billions during a time of war were patriots.
I love your recent history of telling people what you think I think. Or what you want people to think I think. Or whatever you’re doing.
The top marginal tax rate has been above 65% from its inception until 1982:
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213
Nowadays we are just quibbling about the difference between a 35% and 39% top rate.
Dave,
If I am wrong, go ahead and say that they were not patriots then…I dare you.
Fact is, you can’t because your whole corrupt values system tells you that they were right to defraud the government. You think that people who pay taxes are suckers.
You are going to have to live 100 good lives to make up for the karma you have piled up being a Bush Republican.
defrauding the government is part of the game. You see, that isn’t unpatriotic to him, it’s just taking back what never belonged to your government in the first place. So, if it didn’t belong to them in the first place, how can it be unpatriotic to take it back?
Serving the government and being patriotic has nothing to do with supporting the government financially. That is something for someone else to have to do. Rich people pay enough and so do their “businesses” which just happen to be corporations. None the less, that big corporation is really just a mom and pop general store from main street that the poor people set up and should be entitled to every penny it makes.
It’s a great concept if you think about it.
It appears that Dave offers the perfect case study of how enduring humanity has the capacity to continue forward, even after one’s value system has struck an iceberg and sunk beyond recovery.
Although his attempts up to this point are pathetic, he still shows the same spirit as the New York Giants last year, even after they lost their 6th game.
lol
I had a Conservative pooh this morning. How do I know. It hurt coming out, it was rather messy and it destroyed my toilet.
I love it. Now I have multiple people erroneously telling me what I think. Please, continue. I need to know these things.
If you could only think…
simple question then. Yes or No.
not paying taxes by setting up illegal tax shelters is patriotic?
Dave –
Nobody has to wonder how you think. You blab it on the radio and write it in the comments section of blogs like this one.
There is no mystery.
are you kidding dave is an enigma, wrapped in a shirt that is too tight for his frame!
“not paying taxes by setting up illegal tax shelters is patriotic?”
No.
“There is no mystery.”
Not until you get involved, pal.
thanks nipples!
“I’m sure tom supports the death penalty too. you know one of those devout Catholics.”
My position on capital punishment is in line with the Church; it has little place in this country.
“so then you are one of those wishy-washy catholics then. got it.”
One party offers me a war in which hundreds of thousands of innocents may die and the other offers me state-sponsored mass-murder from which tens of millions have already died. I don’t see how choosing the latter would be more Catholic.
“No it isn’t. It is 100% accurate comrade. Get used to hearing it.”
In that case did you folks have jimmy carter and both houses of Congress. Why do you get another chance?
“you can’t because your whole corrupt values system tells you that they were right to defraud the government. You think that people who pay taxes are suckers.”
You need to get out more. Know thy enemy and all that.
“It appears that Dave offers the perfect case study of how enduring humanity has the capacity to continue forward, even after one’s value system has struck an iceberg and sunk beyond recovery.”
Didn’t yours do that some time around 1979? And you lot kept trucking.
“simple question then. Yes or No.
not paying taxes by setting up illegal tax shelters is patriotic?”
……………….no
Gentlemen, do try get out of your cave from time to time.