The December 21, 2016 Thread

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Well, I am glad the beltway pundits at Politico are on board.

President Obama “blacklisted 15 Russian individuals and companies for their dealings in Crimea and Ukraine, creating an early test for the new administration of President-elect Donald J. Trump, who is widely expected to roll back the pressure campaign against Russia,” the New York Times reports.

“The Treasury Department designated seven individuals and eight corporate entities involved in a range of projects, including the construction of a bridge connecting Russia to the Crimean peninsula. It also targeted businesspeople who are associates of President Vladimir V. Putin or are involved in activities that aid in Russia’s destabilization of Ukraine.”

Flint II.

In the latest HuffPost/YouGov survey, half of the respondents were asked if they agreed or disagreed with the following statement: “Over the past few years, blacks have gotten less than they deserve.” The other half was provided with the exact same statement, except the word “blacks” was switched to “average Americans.” You know what is going to happen, don’t you?

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Among those who voted for Hillary Clinton, there was no difference in the two samples. But among those who voted for Donald Trump, nearly two-thirds agreed with the statement when it pertained to “average Americans” while just 12% though the same for blacks. Yep. It’s all Economic Anxiety.

Maybe the pattern will become obvious to Usay and Qusay Hussein. If you want to do unethical shit, you will get bad publicity and questions.

Seth Masket: “Given the closeness of this election, it’s plausible that any number of things could have made the difference. Had Russia never hacked Democratic National Committee data, had Comey not made his public insinuations about Clinton a few weeks before the election, had the Clinton campaign had better polling data, etc., we’d likely be calling her president-elect today. But it’s hard to know what lesson to draw from that to use in future campaigns. It’s easy to say that you shouldn’t take your lead for granted, but exactly how do we translate that into a specific recommendation for the next campaign?”

“Perhaps the most important lesson is that any major party nominee, no matter how seemingly awful or unpopular, has a shot at winning. This is a lesson not so much for the general election campaigns, but for the parties: Be careful whom you nominate. Pick someone you’d be comfortable seeing in office. You’d be surprised who can lose. And who can win.”

Vanity Fair: “Throughout the year, the tapes were a subject of almost mythical fascination within the media. People involved with The Apprentice had received calls from reporters at the Associated Press, BuzzFeed, Politico, The New York Times, CNN, the Huffington Post, and The Washington Post. Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign would also obsessively try to find the tapes up until Election Day. In fact, one person close to the Clinton campaign told me that he had spoken to someone, on the Sunday before the election, who said he had a damaging clip of Trump…”

“Nevertheless, the Clinton campaign, which had seen Trump survive previous raucous scandals, refused to give up its own search. Two days before the election, one entertainment executive with ties to Clinton contacted someone in the industry who had said he had a copy of a tape depicting Trump that could create problems for the then candidate. Would this person be willing to pass him the footage to give to the Clinton campaign? Since the latest poll numbers indicated it was clear Clinton would win the election—likely in a landslide—this person didn’t want to risk it.”

“A newly unsealed search-warrant application confirms the Federal Bureau of Investigation found thousands of emails potentially linked to Hillary Clinton on a laptop used by former congressman Anthony Weiner, who was then married to top Clinton aide Huma Abedin,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“The search warrant application doesn’t offer any new revelations or insight—if anything, it repeats and reaffirms past assertions by officials about the case regarding how and why they decided to search the laptop in the final days of a heated presidential campaign.”

John Cassidy asks if the Iraq War led to Trump: “While the connection between the war to depose Saddam and the election of 2016 is indirect, it is etched in history. Without the invasion of Iraq, and the disillusionment with the U.S. political establishment that its terrible aftermath created, it is hard to see how a demagogue like Trump could ever have gained traction in national politics.”

“Yes, many factors played into his rise to power: deindustrialization, stagnant wages, racial resentments, class resentments, sexism, a craven broadcast media that gave him huge amounts of free airtime, strategic blunders by his opponent and her campaign, and the last-minute intervention of James Comey, the director of the F.B.I. Indeed, the problem with trying to explain Hillary Clinton’s defeat is that it was overdetermined: all sorts of arguments can seem persuasive. But the popular perception of a world gone haywire, a perception that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped to create, was also an important factor.”

Actor Tom Arnold claims to have video of Donald Trump “using racist language, obscenities and denigrating his own son in outtakes of The Apprentice,” The Guardian reports. Said Arnold: “I have the outtakes to The Apprentice where he says every bad thing ever, every offensive, racist thing ever. It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children.” Arnold said “he did not release it because of a confidentiality clause and the expectation that Trump would lose.”

Thanks, Tom. Lots of courage there.

Politico: “Among the key appointments that are expected to be announced in the coming days are political director (a post for which sources say former Chris Christie aide Bill Stepien is considered the favorite) and communications director (sources say senior communications adviser Jason Miller is the leading option). Other appointments expected soon include advance director (campaign advance chief George Gigicos is seen as a lock) and body man (sources say campaign trip director John McEntee is likely to get the post).”

“Republican National Committee chief strategist Sean Spicer is the heavy favorite for the press secretary post.”

Also interesting: “One of Trump’s earliest and most loyal staffers — former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski — is not expected to be included in the first wave of prime White House jobs, and the fate of another top campaign aide, David Bossie, also is unclear.”

McClatchy: “Obama is trying to put the people and policies in place that he wants to outlast his presidency in the final weeks before Donald Trump takes over. And his supporters want more, way more.”

“Every president tries to push through last-minute policies before their time in office comes to a close. But this year has a more frantic feel as special interest groups push Obama to do more, not just because the president-elect is of a different party but because few people know what he will do.”

“With six weeks remaining, their to-do list for Obama is long.”

More Obama action, this time to protect the environment:

President Obama moved to solidify his environmental legacy Monday by withdrawing hundreds of millions of acres of federally owned land in the Arctic and Atlantic Ocean from future offshore oil and gas drilling.

Obama used a little-known law called the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act to protect large portions of the Chukchi and Beaufort seas in the Arctic and a string of canyons in the Atlantic stretching from Massachusetts to Virginia from oil exploration and the potential for spills.

The announcement by the White House late in the afternoon was coordinated with similar steps being taken by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to shield large areas of that nation’s Arctic waters from drilling. Neither measure affects leases already held by oil and gas companies and drilling activity in state waters.

White House officials said the withdrawals under Section 12-A of the 1953 act used by presidents dating to Dwight Eisenhower cannot be undone by an incoming president. It is not clear if a Republican-controlled Congress can rescind Obama’s action.

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  1. Prop Joe says:

    Tom Arnold… What a chicken-shit asshat… It doesn’t matter what the lawsuit amoung filed against him would have been. He could GoFundMe and raise twice the amount to cover… Dick…

    That being said, Trump could have done speech after speech using the N-word, C-word, R-word, and I’m not entirely convinced it would’ve changed a goddamn thing!

  2. Cassandra M says:

    Bill O’Reilly tells an inconvenient truth.

  3. Delaware Dem says:

    I agree, Prop Joe. Especially with Comey tipping the scales (which I think is more important than Russia and Putin).

    Cass, I saw Jamelle Bouie say the same thing:

  4. RE Vanella says:

    While I agree that the survey/graph proves disgusting racism I’d submit that people like this don’t really think in these term politically unless there’s another pressure.

    And even if I’m wrong, what political strategy do you think we could implement to make these people not racist? And why haven’t we tried it yet?

    It’s all well and good to support the claim. Now what?

    And, yeah, Cassandra is correct. EC was conceived to protect land owning slaveholders. It’s white supremacy in action and should be discussed in those terms. Agree 100%.

  5. Prop Joe says:

    What are the odds that Trump asks Comey to continue on as FBI Director? I mean, shit, he’s rewarding every other douchebag sycophant, so why not one more…

  6. RE Vanella says:

    Here’s another question. Do you think Comey, like most of us and establishment types, assumed HRC would win anyway? So by his calculation he/the bureau was better off going too far than remaining silent. If it came out after a HRC victory that he withheld info then the problem would have been worse by his measure.

    I’m not agreeing with what was done. No at all. I’m just postulating another reason for him to have done it.

  7. Disappointed says:

    Not just the EC, the whole Constitution was written to protect the power of white male property-owners.

  8. RE Vanella says:

    Fair enough. We’ve dealt with a few of those things since then. Put down a rebellion over it in fact. EC still stands though.

  9. RE Vanella says:

    Also, There’s a new BBC documentary called ‘HyperNormalisation’ available on YouTube. I strongly recommend taking the time to watch it.

    Here’s an interesting exchange from Robert Parry (AP/Newsweek/Frontline)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_(journalist)

    …Reality became less and less of an important factor in American politics. It wasn’t what was real that was driving anything or the facts driving anything. It was how you could turn those facts or twist the facts or even make up the facts to make your opponent look bad. So perception management became a device and the facts could be twisted. Anything could be anything. It becomes how you can manipulate the American people.

    …. And in the process reality becomes what?….

    Reality becomes simply something to play with to achieve that end. Reality is something that is not important in this context. Reality is something that you handle…

  10. Jason330 says:

    I can’t believe that Ham is winning the poll. Unless it is sliced thin and on some good bread, ham is gross. I’d rather eat sea creatures than ham.

  11. Delaware Dem says:

    I’m the exact opposite. I like thick cuts of ham, on Christmas day or Easter only. I rarely like thinly cold cut ham. But I do prefer Turkey. Love Turkey.

  12. anonymous says:

    ” Yep. It’s all Economic Anxiety.”

    If you thought about it for 10 seconds, you’d see that the question is actually measuring economic anxiety. They didn’t say blacks were getting more than they deserve; they said they themselves were getting less.

    I thought liberals were the ones who thought it wasn’t a zero-sum game.

    You’ve got things exactly backwards. People lash out when they’re under economic threat. They might be racist underneath, but when times are good it stays buried. It’s when times get tough that people start looking around for someone (besides themselves, of course) to blame.

  13. Dave says:

    “EC was conceived to protect land owning slaveholders. ”

    EC was conceived primarily because there was fear that the general public would not be able to make an intelligent choice. There was a belief that only the educated were sufficiently knowledgeable to make such a decision.

    Wealthy landowners were more often educated than the general population. Wealthy landowners were also slaveholders. There were other collateral issues (equalization of power among big and little states, etc) which the EC was intended to mitigate.

    Correlation does not imply causation. The EC was conceived as means to manage populism and regionalism.

  14. Dave says:

    ” I like thick cuts of ham”

    I also like ham. I draw the line at green eggs though.

  15. RE Vanella says:

    Ah the old big state, little state fake out. Worked great then too. I guess the confederates rebelled because of federalism and states’ rights?

    I think were all aware of the narrative, yeah.

  16. Steve Newton says:

    Regardless of how the EC was conceived, it has–like other elements of the Constitution–often operated in different (and sometimes beneficial) ways than anticipated.

    Without the Electoral College in 1860, for example, Abraham Lincoln would not have won a clear victory in the Presidential election, and in either a run-off or a House or Representatives vote (assume whichever mechanism you like) it is close to a certainty that Stephen Douglass, the advocate of “popular sovereignty” on slavery, would have become President. Douglass as President, no secession, no Civil War, and no emancipation for at least another generation.

  17. RE Vanella says:

    No doubt. I’m not even sure what I think should be done re: the EC. Regardless of the various outcomes it has produced (beneficial or bad depending on your view) it just strains reason at this point.

  18. puck says:

    “EC was conceived to protect land owning slaveholders. ”

    slavery is abolished in the US but EC continues to protect the interests of the less populous states and regions of these united states.

    Without the leverage provided by EC, Rust Belt voters would have to watch helplessly as coastal tycoons and financial centers shipped heartland jobs offshore or filled them with imported labor. That horse left the barn a while ago, but the voters struck back, and their blow was felt only because of the Electoral College.

  19. Jason330 says:

    “Without the leverage provided by EC, Rust Belt voters would have to watch helplessly as coastal tycoons and financial centers shipped heartland jobs offshore or filled them with imported labor.”

    Preach it Comrade!

  20. RE Vanella says:

    I think you’re missing the definition of “conceived.” I’m not talking about now. I’m talking about its conception, see?

    Although I don’t necessarily disagree with you. Which is why I’m not sure what I think should be done about it.

    But please let’s not pretend that Trump or anyone else is going to do anything about coastal tycoons with mountains of capital continuing to marginalize labor. Trump is an east coast tycoon who exploited a failing NYC government to hoover up cheap real estate over-leveraging with the backing of financiers beginning in about 1975.

    Just because people believe a story doesn’t mean it’s true. I refuses to buy this narrative that our friends in the Rust Belt just stuck it to the man. They most certainly did not. Their “blow” was hardly a blow and they will continue to watch what they’ve watched for the last 20 years.

  21. puck says:

    “Just because people believe a story doesn’t mean it’s true”

    And just because it’s not true doesn’t mean people don’t believe it.

  22. RE Vanella says:

    That is also accurate and regrettably much more widespread. I think we’re onto something.

    One of my favorite retorts in an argument in which “what people believe” is offered… I don’t respect beliefs. I evaluate reasons.

    For the very reason you said.

  23. jason330 says:

    Just looking at today’s stats and it appears someone came here by searching for: is bowling stupid?

    I hope they found the answer and I hope that answer was, yes… yes bowling is stupid.

  24. RE Vanella says:

    Unless the searcher wanted to know if cricket bowling is stupid. In that case it certainly is not. Whether fast, swing, off-break or leg spin, it’s all great.