I love this statement
Regarding a “Do Over” in Florida…
call me f’ing crazy, but wouldn’t the solution have TO FUCKING NOT HELD THE PRIMARY as early as you did and were told not to? I love politics.
“This election is too important to do something that potentially could be fraught with mistakes,” Hunter said.
I guess it’s true that people in politics don’t have foresight, much less foreskin
I’ll admit I’m conflicted over this issue. I believe everyone’s vote should count, and while we can’t count Fl and MI as they stand now, re-running the primaries is full of pitfalls.
I don’t know how to solve this fairly. Hillary’s pandering to these states creates the false impression that she deeply cares about these voters, when we all know she only cares because she thinks she can win them. If the states involved were SC and IL she’d be singing a different tune.
The real problem facing these candidates in the end is legitimacy. If HRC wins with Super Delegates Obama supporters will never accept her. If Obama wins without FL or MI Hillary supporters will cry foul.
My only consolation is that if do-overs are held FL and MI should go the way of the other big states. Hillary picks up a few more delegates than Obama, but not enough to make a real difference. The upside? FL and MI will then have to shut the hell up.
I think the only way the Democratic party avoids calamity is for Hillary to stand down.
In other words, Hello calamity.
Thanksyou Bill. Thank you Hillary. Thanks Rush.
Calamity indeed.
Chris Dodd is talking up the idea of just splitting the delegates evenly between the two and just moving on. It makes the whole thing go away AND it is a cheap solution. But Rendell and Corzine have promised to raise a ton of money to go towards a re-do, but time is not on their side.
cas,
I believe they really have till eow. it takes like 90 days to count the votes, which puts the counts after the convention I think…
Why don’t they just go ahead with a mail in? It should be the least expensive way to ensure that they aren’t disenfranchised. Clinton is a seething monster in my book the way she is trying to steal these delegates she did not actually win and to in a way that only she benefits.
So just for the record, you have no problem with Howard Dean and the DNC strong arming the states of Florida and Michigan as to when they can hold primaries?
G – it’s the kissing the a$$ of the farce that is the Iowa caucus and the so-called importance of the NH primary. I honestly hate that faux-royalty they get…and for what? Both parties are guilty of kissing their arses. Maybe the GOP not so much this time, but they have caved just as easily in the past and continue to be equal parts to the problem.
I move that Florida should be the first primary from here on out. I’m sure the politicians and reporters would prefer hanging around on sunny beaches to trudging around in the snow and slush of Iowa and New Hampshire. Wait, forget I said that – politicians and reporters should be made to suffer!
Howard Dean and the DNC did not strongarm FL or MI — the DNC set their primary rules (and penalties) in the summer of 2006. Rules (and penalties) that all state parties agreed to. Once they agreed to the rules (as did the state repubs for the RNC) they decided to try to jump the gun. The only difference between the DNC and RNC here is how the penalty was assessed — the RNC took away half the state’s delegates while the DNC took them all away.
The IA and NH monopoly on the process for a year or more before a caucus is spectacularly stupid and a thing that cries out for the DNC and RNC to try to fix. But it is certainly crazy to claim that people are being required to live with rules that they agreed to in the first place.
Rules that Hillary agreed to as well, and really didn’t give a crap about when she was the presumptive nominee.
FL and MI will end up tainting this process no matter what happens.
Sadly, I agree with Pandora.
This is a train wreck unless the super delegates flood to Obama and/or Clinton quits.
The sickening part is that Rush Limbaugh has leverage in this situation and the fact that Limbaugh supports Clinton tells you everything you need to know.
It was the Gov. of Florida Crist and the republican legislature that voted and overruled the DNC in Florida…The Florida legislature decided the democratic/republican primary would be early. This should have been fixed right then.
Rush Limbaugh? C’mon, this guy supporting Clinton is an artifact of the oxycontin or whatever his current drug of choice is. He’ll see the light the minute there is a real Dem candidate. He doesn’t get paid otherwise.
How the heck does he have leverage over a redo in FL or MI?
In fairness the Fla. house passed the bill 118-0. I don’t understand how the Republicans overruled the Democrats. I would have more sympathy with them if the vote had been along party lines. They called the bluff, now it’s time to pay the piper.