Loudell, If You Lay Down With Zogby Pigs…
When I read this whacked out crap about Zogby allowing his polling operations be used for an anti-Obama push poll/character assassination (h/t Unstable Isotope) I thought, “Wow, here is open and shut evidence that Zogby is a right wing partisan enterprise.”
My second thought was, “…Loudell is going to keep on talking up Zogby though.”
Yeah, I think Zogby has decided to go all in as the wingnut pollster. I guess since they had the worst record two presidential elections in a row, they needed a new source of revenue?
No, Zogby was paid to conduct it by Zeigler. You, too, could commission one — say, one that aims to show people how little they really agree with Mike Castle…
Loudell is going to be one of the things in Delaware politics that I’m thankful for this year.
I just wish he could burnish of some off these right wing burs.
Geezer,
Why would Zogby agree to do such a stupid poll? Shouldn’t this hurt their reputation as a legitimate pollster?
Zogby won’t duplicate poll with McCain Supporters.
“Saying of the poll:
“I believe there was value in the poll we did,” Zogby added. “I also believe it was not our finest hour. This slipped through the cracks. It came out critical only of Obama voters.”
And Ziegler’s response?
Ziegler responded: “I am shocked by John’s statement that he would do another poll but not an exact duplication. What is the point of that? Not their finest hour? This was a great poll. This didn’t fall through any ‘cracks”
http://outtheotherear.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-war-on-polls-zogbys-finale/
There was no push poll. It was a research project. One it was not designed to undermine the campaign. How is talking with a few thousand people out of 130 million voters a push poll? Get real. No one is trying to get your leader.
My leader? Don’t you mean “our” President?
Careful… your hypocrisy is showing.
It was certainly a push poll.
It claimed false or negative information to be true in surveying only Obama voters. And with questions like these:
“Which of the four [candidates] said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket?”
“Which of the four [candidates] started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground?”
“Which of the four [candidates] quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism?”
“Which of the four [candidates] won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot?”
who can doubt it? The only way you can characterize this as being research by claiming this to be an after the fact assessment of how well or poorly the McCain smear campaign worked.
Here’s another follow-up on the controversy:
http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/zogbys-misleading-poll-of-obama-voters-459/
All that poll tested is whether some Obama voters knew about smears that were important to the right wing. Even Zogby’s now embarrassed to be associated with it. He should be embarrassed because some of the questions were completely false and/or extremely misleading: “launched career” for example.
Zogby was taking your leader at his word. Take the coal example. President elect Obama said himself, “You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers. . . .
So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can — it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”
Mr. Biden quit because of plagarism allegations.
Mr. Obama got his opponents kicked off the ballot, and his first event was in a former terrorist home.
Those are issues which don’t really matter.
Which is why Zogby really should have done his “research” on McCain voters — they were the ones in need of better bullshit detectors.
See…..WRONGGGGGGG…
That wasn’t BO’s event…it was for another Chicago pol….
Now considering the douche that paid for the “survey” and the misleading, if not plain, ‘ol false questions, this poll is no better than the deposit I left in the bowl this morning!
Fished-in Fool.
David: You’re not helping your cause much. The subject of a poll should not be an issue, nor should the fact that Zogby agreed to do it for a fee. That’s what polling organizations do, isn’t it? Should a polling organization be embarrassed to do consumer-product polls for products that, say, harm the environment? Polls for, say, energy companies that want to show that people care more about the size of electric bills than they do about global warming? I don’t think Zogby has anything to be ashamed of — I think those of you who find fault with him do.
ON the other hand, the questionable intent here is Zeigler’s, not Zogby’s. The absurdly slanted nature of the questions undermines what Zeigler is trying to achieve. As Cassandra noted, the questions were asked in a way that would have allowed consumers of right-wing “news” to answer every one of them instantly, while those who live here in the real world wouldn’t have heard of some of those stories. Nor should they have.
Obama told the obvious truth about the whole cap-and-trade enterprise — it will make coal-burning more expensive. David thinks it’s big news that he said that because — um, why, exactly, Davo? So your side could have used it as a cudgel? Because if he said the sky is blue, that’s no more “news” than the statement that a carbon emissions tax will make coal more expensive.
The logical fallacy that invalidates Zeigler’s entire enterprise is the notion that news organzitions are somehow duty-bound to report every scrap of right-wing boilerplate. The sad part — here’s where you come in, David — is that these people (you, too) insist that your version of reality must be reported equally with actual reality.
You might not like it, sporto, but “reality” is basically different for each person. The version the media reports is the one that finds the most common ground for discussion. You all call that “liberal bias” because you don’t understand how far from the mainstream your worldview is. And you can’t understand that because you are being propagandized constantly by the “news” outlets you frequent, leading you to believe that the idiocy that marks conservatism isn’t idiocy, it’s normal intelligence.
One more point: Zeigler is a mentally questionable asshat who once got fired from WIP in Philly for spelling out the N-word. He got fired from a gig in LA for talking about the — I’m not making this up — “genital grooming” of a Lakers cheerleader who dated him and then dumped him.
At least the left marginalizes its odd adherents (yes, Liz, I’m looking at you). The right champions theirs.
Reputation as a legitimate pollster? Zogby? HA HA HA HA HA!