Breaking: Adams to lose race with father time
Adams will stop being the President Pro Tem of the Delaware Senate when G. Reaper says so.
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Thurman Adams’ Desk Drawer Watch — it’s our next project, I’m telling you.
I just e-mailed CNN asking if any political reporter would be interested in covering the desk drawer veto in Delaware. If they ever call me back and hopefully say yes – I have one contact on the Markell team and one on the Carney team. I’ll keep you posted.
are you rod stiffington?
And the vote was unanimous to retain Adams. You remember your whole “Republicans just talk about open government during election time but they don’t really want it?”
Hope you’re REAL proud.
This is a fucking disgrace. The new Democrats voted into the Senate should be ashamed. I wonder who they had to bow down to and promise this vote in order to get the party’s support?
The more things change the more they stay the same. And now both houses of the General Assembly are Democratic. This can’t be good…
Here’s a list of all the Senate Democrats who voted against Thurman Adams last night:
Cute.
My money is on father time sorting out this mess.
where there any republicans that voted against it? serious question
Jason,
Bullshit father time. Are you fucking kidding? Had this been a Republican, you’d be on your fifth post by now.
I mean, fucking Karen Peterson voted to keep this dinosaur in there? Dave Sokola? The new three? WHAT THE FUCK?! Is this some send-off prize because they know the cauliflower nose will hardly make it to the next election? The Democrats can no longer claim they’re the party of open government. (And, to Dave, neither can the Republicans, quite frankly).
There’s only one reason to be a Democrat in this state: To vote in the primary.
Donviti,
Republicans can’t vote on Democratic leadership in the Senate. They can only vote for their leadership.
DV — The Democrats select their own leadership. There will be a formal vote in January, but that’s merely a formality. The decision was made (and easily so, it seems) last night.
Though the report was reported as unanimous, do you really think it was. My intuition tells me it wasn’t unanimous on the first vote.
My intuition tells me there were enough blue dog Dems voting yes to override any dissent among the others. Therefore, so the others could get their bills worked and not stuffed in a desk drawer or into a committee stacked with adversaries, they should jump on board and vote to return Adams to leadership. Which makes those who changed their votes nothing more than spineless.
Yes. It was unanimous. Apparently Karen Peterson went “not voting,” which technically means it was unanimous. I’m fairly sure the others were all yeas.
This brings back memories from …like… 15 years ago or so…back when I used to play Lemmings on the computer, except these lemmings are real life, apparently all 15 of them (KP gets the exception, given the apparent no-vote). Now, watch them walk the good-government bills (the ones that would cause them to sacrafice) right off the cliff, TA first and the rest of the caucus right behind him (except KP).
BTW, I think DV was referring to voting against open government, not the same, decrepit leadership returning to the same posts.
The vote was not unanimous. That’s how it was reported to us by the Senate Democratic caucus press secretary, but we have since learned that Sen. Peterson did NOT vote for Sen. Adams. We have since changed our stories.
Chris Carl
Dir. of News & Programming
WDEL-AM & WDEL.com
Oh, pooh on you Chris. You come in here and ruin all the fun. At least you didn’t call us information constipated. Thanks for that, I guess.
😛
Actually, I think what you’re saying puts confirmation behind what Burris stated in the comments.
Ha Burris! In your face!
My ” wrong about everyhting” observation is holding up.
What? He confirmed what I said.
Are you out of your mind?
It was unanimous. The vote was 15-0, with one not voting (Peterson). That’s how they were able to report it as a unanimous vote.
It’s pretty embarrassing to call someone out when they are in fact right, isn’t it?
False. Peterson voted against and there was one non-vote.
Wrong again. As usual.
FSP: Yes. It was unanimous. Apparently Karen Peterson went “not voting,” which technically means it was unanimous.
Chris Carl: The vote was not unanimous…but we have since learned that Sen. Peterson did NOT vote for Sen. Adams.
Really, that is the same thing, except for semantics on the unanimous or not. What we can not discern from Chris’ comment is if Karen voted NAY, or she submitted not-voting. Jason, go clean yourself up! 😀
Gerry Fulcher reported on-air that Peterson told him that she went not-voting.
“Really, that is the same thing, except for semantics on the unanimous or not.”
Exactly. The facts are still the same.
Fulcher…?
Yes. And his story was the exact same story I got from a separate source. So until someone who was in the room comes on and says that there was a no vote in addition to Peterson’s not voting, I’ll expect you to admit you were wrong to call me out. Again.
I think it’s a disgrace. Did they get any concessions out of him?
I have one unconfirmed source saying there were no concessions.
His wrongness has spoken.
Here is a tip. Don’t hold your breath either way. In five minutes you’ll be wrong about something else.
Yeah, and maybe somewhere along the line, I’ll think something you want me to think.
“Don’t hold your breath either way.”
Not to worry. I stopped expecting personal integrity from you a long time ago.
Some much for financial transparency of our schools! Looks like Jack will have to use his executive powers to order DOE / public school to provide full financial transparency to the public! If local taxpayers are encourage to support local referendum “for the kids.” Then I think Jack can use his executive powers to order full financial transparency “for the kids”
Adams ! I thought he was a democrat for the people? But what worst then him is all the dick face legislators who voted for him to keep his evil power!
That is a hoot coming from you Dave.
Anyway…your source bested mine this time, and you were right to support Blue Water Wind however, my these holds.
Burris = Wrong
You can run but you can’t hide from from a track record like yours Dave.
No offense guys, but as a I-think friend of both of yours…
STFU!
I know you are, but what am I?
I kno you are, but what am I?
I know u are, but what am I?
I know you r, but what am I?
(the spelling variations are to avoid the spam filter for pattern sentences)
He started it by being so wrong about everything.
He started it
No, he started it
Did not, YOU started it
No, YOU
no, U!
I’m telling!
OK, you’re back to scary nut job status with that poll now posted. I’m reverting back to you having some obsessive issue with him that goes beyond a clear-cut explanation. Did he kick Rags or something?
Can you add a third option on that poll: “Get the frick over it already”?
You voted for “nearly” right?
But seriously folks, Dave can take the heat. He could not be so stridently wrong and have a thin skin could he?
Also – #34 was meant to be funny. Which it is and you picked up on the humor of it.
No, “thick skin” is only the excuse he uses for that girth.
Seriously, add that third option.
I just got back from the PDD dinner. There was serious talk about finding primary challengers for the 7 Democratic state senators who voted for Adams and are up for election in 2010. Any volunteers?
Below are the nine Democratic state senators that are up for re-election in 2010.
If you are thinking about going after them you better be ready to dip into your wallets and get some friends to do the same.
I was looking at the Special Election Bruce Ennis won in 2007 and it appears between 9-27-2007 and 12-31-2007 he raised $92,113 and spent $65,399.78 . His end of year report states he had $26,913.95 on hand as of 12-31-2007.
My guess is all 9 have the ability to raise $90,000 and spend $65,000, if needed. So I am neither endorsing or nor opposing your proposal, just saying it is a big and expensive task you propose.
HARRIS B MCDOWELL III,
PATRICIA M BLEVINS,DAVID P SOKOLA
DAVID B MCBRIDE,KAREN PETERSON
BRUCE ENNIS,NANCY W. COOK
THURMAN ADAMS,GEORGE H. BUNTING JR.
For Campaign Finance reports Go to:
http://elections.delaware.gov/information/campaignfinance/campaignfinance.shtml
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People, People, People Leo Marshall (former chair of the Dem city committee) lost his race with father time and not much changed.
Some actually believed Dem city comm would ‘open up’ be ‘fairer’, etc. once Marshall was gone. He was like the boogie man….perhaps more like Oz.
If KP voted ‘not voting’ she must be slipping….that is not the fiesty Karen Peterson from back in the day and voting as such does not deserve any acolades.
Yeah, John, no way PDD has that kind of money. I don’t know how much money would be needed to put a scare in some of them and make them work. I think PDD would be better off targeting one of them. I would choose Cook and perhaps Adams himself (if he still plans on running).
I think SRC has a great point. Adams is just one guy, but it’s the whole caucus that enables him. Perhaps he gives them political cover for what they want to do anyway. I also agree that abstaining from the vote is not a profile in political courage, but I actually heard there were two abstentions.
Holy Cow! Bruce Ennis spent 65K+ in a 30 day Special Election to beat little ol’ unknown me? Why I think I got braggin’ rights now!!
…Adams is just one guy, but it’s the whole caucus that enables him. Perhaps he gives them political cover for what they want to do anyway…
Mr. Isotope hits the nail on the head.
I say put their feet in the fire, write letters, squeaky wheels get greased, at least sometimes. I am very disappointed in my new State Senator, Brian Bushweller! I will let him know.
Seeing how the vote was going to go, Brian Bushweller still made an appeal for open government that was met with icy stares from the rest of the caucus.
It is looking like he was the only person with any balls in the whole situation.
Good deal, Jason, because I had spoken to him about this during the campaign. I had hoped I was not the only one to do so.
“Seeing how the vote was going to go, Brian Bushweller still made an appeal for open government that was met with icy stares from the rest of the caucus.”
How’d he vote?
The voters in that district did not elect a fool.
Holy Cow! Bruce Ennis spent 65K+ in a 30 day Special Election to beat little ol’ unknown me? Why I think I got braggin’ rights now!!
*cough*cough*
IIRC, you had Mr. Burris overseeing if not running the show, Mr. Copeland’s printing presses in service via the state GOP coffers and a bunch of other interesting facts related to the campaign, not the least was Jason’s account of a ‘young and disinterested’ poll watcher who was paid a whopping $100 bucks to sit, doodle and complain.
just sayin’
it wasn’t just ‘little old you’ a’tall.
UI, I didn’t realize you were closely associated with PDD. That explains SO MUCH!
I agree with Susan too that KP has some ‘splainin’ to do. If there were two abstentions, the other was most likely Sokola.
Nancy –
You are hilarious with your PDD stuff. Anyhoo – I’m still wondering what you take is on Stephanie Hansen being tight with KWS and Tom Gordon.
I’m sure you spin some entertaining conspiracy theories with that raw material.
“it wasn’t just ‘little old you’ a’tall.”
And none of that changes the fact that Bruce Ennis ran on open government with absolutely no intention of delivering on that promise, which his record has borne out through this vote among others.
Jason, I don’t think all people accepting transition team placements are necessariy tight with each other. Prolly friendly with the dignitary-elect but not with each other.
I have a pretty good feeling that there is no love lost between TG and SH but I really have no gossip to share.
SH is a pro in her field. She is a political animal too but then…just show me someone in politics that isn’t and I’ll show you our next US Senator Ted Kaufman…
Does KWS have a transition team because she NEEDS one or because it’s simply the “in” thing to have a transition team? Something tells me it’s the latter.
Dave, those of us up here in NCC have a newly revered impression of Mr. Ennis. I took a look at his bills sponsorships lately being interested in what is behind his amazingly solid support of the anti-WHF initiatives. What I found was a slew of hopes for bringing Livable Delaware tenets into state code (beisdes public safety stuff),
The lack of teeth in most of freakin DE law is a root problem that goes far beyond just transparency and yet transparency is the obvious best first step towards solving the rest of it.
You may or may not agree that the aisle positions on Open Government were conveniently political arrows in the sack and not much was genuinely predicted to happen from either party.
All hope rests now on Markell’s ability to wield his will. LET’s GO!
Harris McDowell told her she needed one…
Mike, I think I just addressed your question over on another post. Denn failed on several GA initiatives and on CHIP and who know s what that we needed to have better performance on. That is what a trans team does. It assesses where the department is against where it needs to be to serve the initiatives the candidate ran on.
You supposedly paid attention to the debates so you must remember their positions.
There is a fuckload of things related to insurance services that this office takes on.
Do you want a lally gagger or a person who is gearing up to make a difference in the first year in office? Remember that Karen worked as a deputy in that office before and has been in the field since for some twenty years of background and best practice knowledge.
I think she needs one because of the fears she is in over her head.
This was supposed to alleviate the fears that she doesn’t know what we’re doing. Instead she goes ahead and proves she is Delaware’s version of Sarah Palin.
Nancy, you are very correct on Senator Ennis, and his great attention and activity on the WFH nonsense. His is doing a terrific responsive job for his constituency, in this huge minefield of complications. We are VERY grateful for this, and of course will be watching!
Brian, look at it this way, perhaps. You are an elected official going in to take over a vast department of bureaucrats. Their system and hierarchy may not be so amenable to your wishes, the wishes that had persuaded the populace to vote for you.
You have to have something in place to structure the bureacrats so that they can understand how you may or may not want them to do their work differently.
One thing that is an ideological reality is that the GOP typically favors companies; but the HIGH DEM’s primary nominee, Reed, seemed to favor them too by taking 100K of their money. No one is kidding themselves that the GOP takes money and delivers for corporate lobbyists, nor should DEMs pretend that it isn’t a rife practice with our pols too. The Castle/Carper/ Minner admins are all well known as doors-wide-open-for-special-interests. Funny how the local corporate business lobbyists are, almost to a man, former Assembly members…
The influence on the IC’s office that Gene Reed may have wielded was in serving the industy corps who gave him so much cash. We need an IC that serves the common good not private profits.
The day to day acitivities of the desk bureacrats who KWS will have to lead when she walks into office in January are now being examined by the trans team. They assess what is now in place and make recommendations for how to improve it and/or reform job directives to better serve KWS’s platform initiatives.
Unstable Isotope,
Jack Markell and Karen Weldin Stewart proved that a Democrat can win a primary against the wishes of the party leadership and then go on to win the general election as well. Both of them started years before 2008, building name recognition and support.
In the New Castle County Council President’s race Bill Dunn got 42.7% despite starting his campaign the week of the July 25th filing deadline and was out spent significantly.
“Dunn had $1,749 on hand 8-10-2008 and Clark had over $36,000. By September 1st Dunn had pulled in another $1,380. From 8-11-2008 to 9-1-2008 Paul Clark raised $16,925 and spent $14,268.35.”
http://politicsbythenumbersmostlydelaware.blogspot.com/2008_09_01_archive.html
(Sept 7, 2008 post)
I wonder how different the outcome might have been had a viable candidate (whether Dunn or someone else) started fund-raising in 2007 and started visibly campaigning in Jan 2008 instead of July 2008.
These situations seem to indicate that it is best to start early and be fairly relentless.
If the PDDs are serious about the proposal to primary incumbents, my bet is they would need to do candidate selection and fund-raising throughout 2009 and be prepared to actively & publicly campaign throughout 2010. I think it is unlikely you can unseat or seriously threaten someone with name recognition, incumbency and substantial funds with just a few months of campaigning.
John Tobin