Hell yes! Why are Lynndie England and Charles Graner taking the brunt of the punishment for torture that was approved at the highest levels? Just from reading the reports we know what the detainees were subjected to were a lot worse than what happened at Abu Ghraib. I think if a smart lawyer wanted to make a name for him/herself they would use the CIA torturer defense to get Graner’s sentence commuted.
Yes. We need to do it here, independent, and non-partisan. This will follow our own, existing law, and render moot any involvement from the World Court. What we are talking about are War Crimes and/or Crimes Against Humanity. At this point, there is not much room for “alleged” anything. It comes down to who ordered what, and when. Put them on trial, let them mount a defense, and (hopefully) jail them for a long, long time.
I think it was someone at TPM that pointed out that Obama’s statement had a lot of weasel words, including stuff about not prosecuting CIA agents acting under what they thought were legal orders. However, some of the memos showed that a lot of the torture was carried out by contractors and not CIA agents. I hope Holder appoints a Special Prosecutor to look at this.
Did they break the Law?
What VC said. Full investigation first.
Last administration, this administration. Doesn’t matter.
Call me jaded, but Specialist like Charles Graner and Lynndie England might get jail time. Nobody above Lieutenant Colonel will be touched.
Hell yes! Why are Lynndie England and Charles Graner taking the brunt of the punishment for torture that was approved at the highest levels? Just from reading the reports we know what the detainees were subjected to were a lot worse than what happened at Abu Ghraib. I think if a smart lawyer wanted to make a name for him/herself they would use the CIA torturer defense to get Graner’s sentence commuted.
Nuremberg principle: you may only try the people who carried out the illegal orders after you have convicted others for giving those orders. Top down.
Yes. We need to do it here, independent, and non-partisan. This will follow our own, existing law, and render moot any involvement from the World Court. What we are talking about are War Crimes and/or Crimes Against Humanity. At this point, there is not much room for “alleged” anything. It comes down to who ordered what, and when. Put them on trial, let them mount a defense, and (hopefully) jail them for a long, long time.
I think it was someone at TPM that pointed out that Obama’s statement had a lot of weasel words, including stuff about not prosecuting CIA agents acting under what they thought were legal orders. However, some of the memos showed that a lot of the torture was carried out by contractors and not CIA agents. I hope Holder appoints a Special Prosecutor to look at this.