The Party of Vitter and Ensign
Via:
Dems to GOP: If you say Rangel and Massa, we’ll say Vitter and Ensign.
The DNC is up this weekend with this ad, apparently running on DC local cable channels, to remind the chatterers that while the repubs are working at their storyline, there isn’t much reason to give it much credit since their problem children continue to stay in office completely unchallenged by their leadership:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiyVIzdvKKA[/youtube]
More Like This Please!
Tags: Republican Hypocrisy
I know Republicans desperately want to make Massa a big story. He’s definitely a creep but he’s no Mark Foley.
And he’s resigned. There doesn’t seem to be the same kind of effort at cover-up that Foley got from his caucus.
What effort to cover up Foley? That was by ABC not the caucus. Foley didn’t touch anyone. He sent an 18 year old rotten emails. The leadership heard a rumor but could not find the facts. ABC had them but denied it. The young man did not give information to the committee, but gave it to ABC (I guess money helps.), so there was no evidence nor was their a complaint. Explain how that was a cover up.
ABC covered up nothing — but Hastert, Boehner and other repub leadership and staff certainly did or at best certainly did nothing after they learned of Foley’s habits of creepy and suggestive emails and behavior with pages.
Perhaps you don’t mind if your children get suggestive emails from grownups, buts lots of parents will object to this.
You can’t rewrite history here — and the fact is that Foley was persistently on the prowl for these kids and the fact is that repub leadership all over the capital had known about it and never tried to shut him down. Until, of course, the emails became public.
Your link did not show any cover up. It showed a proactive response before there was anything to show for it. If they had the info that ABC did, they would have acted on it. You can’t act on rumors. There has to be a real complaint. I have had that problem in management situations myself. If no one files a complaint or brings evidence, you are powerless except to say, I heard something, straighten up. In the end, the man sent disgusting emails to an adult. It was wrong and I am glad that he left. That is not a crime nor is it the same as manhandling your staff. An email you can delete.
Still Foley gets no sympathy or defense from me. I object to your characterization of some cover up.
My link shows that repub leadership knew about Foley’s shenanigans in 2003 — well before ABC got the emails in 2006. And ABC hung on to email for one month — because they weren’t sure they had a story. Your guys did nothing about what they knew for at least 3 years.
The thing you should be objecting to is not being able to discern that 2003 is way earlier than 2006.
Nice try David but I was living in Tom Reynolds district at the time. It was a cover-up and Reynolds only survived election by the barest margin. The GOP leadership knew for a long time that he was a problem.
Yea David,and how about Diaper Dave Vitter? Or do you also dig that kind of kinky shit?History shows Republicans are such uptight stick-in-the-muds on the outside but such sick perverts on the inside.
Funny, I will have a post that will publish on Vitter, I think it is about time for it to be up now. It has to bug you guys that Vitter is well over 20 points up and gaining.
Not a bug for us — we can continue to point out the continued repub hypocrisy on “Family Values” by pointing to the fact that a repub Senator remains in office after being caught patronizing hookers and wearing diapers.
You can point it out and we will just laugh at you. It shows that you have no understanding of what we seek or believe. We believe in redemption. We believe that everyone has some sort of problem. The goal is to better ourselves and humanity. Family vaules is not about finding ways to condemn people, but finding ways to better people.
Vitter repented. It is a dead letter. Besides which is better the public corruption of Mary Landrieu or the personal corruption David Vitter? Her version will destroy health care for millions of seniors while his hurt his family and himself. Both are bad, but hers is worse and goes to the real issue–her job.
You believe in men in diapers, David. A sexually repressed party.
Then we’ll count on you to STFU when Eliot Spitzer jumps back into the fray.
But in the meantime, we’ll keep this one in the (already overflowing) Hypocrisy column for you.
Skipper and DD, there is nothing wrong with keeping it interesting with your spouse. I don’t care if it is a maid, santa and mrs., diaper play, chocolate licking, or slave/ master. If it works for you, it is none of my business. I consider it interesting that those who claim to be liberal are the ones who seem uptight and are quick to act like 5 graders when it comes to this stuff. Relax, let people have fun. Sex is suppose to be fun. When people stop allowing themselves to have fun in marriage, they tend to wander. I oppose sex outside of marriage because it brings pain and social disorder. Ask David Vitter if his life was made better because of it. I say make your own garden to your tastes and you won’t play in your neighbors.
Personally, I am a chocolate lover.
Cass, did I call on Spitzer to resign? My problem with him is that he tossed people in prison for less while he was doing the worse himself. I never liked him for policy reasons. Don’t put me on his bandwagon. I do think that he has a right to put his name on the ballot depending how long of a waiting period he has for his plea deal.
Does it matter whether or not you called for him to resign? What you will do is to pretend to some moral high ground if he gets back in the business — all around the fact that the guy committed the crime of patronizing hookers. The same crime Vitter gets a pass from you on.
Vitter didn’t try to toss people in jail for it or launder money when he helped write the laws banning it (which I question on constitutional grounds). There will be plenty of people who bash him for the prostitution thing, I will be one bashing him for his high handed prosecutions for political reasons instead of any sense of justice. The fat that he is a hypocrite in a way that directly related to his job makes it more interesting.
Vitter could have gotten a small fine. Spitzer was fooling around in felonies that he helped create. There is no difference? I don’t have a lot of sympathy for him because he is a jerk who prosecuted innocent business people. He fell into his own trap. I am content to let him dig himself out of it.
I don’t get into these sex scandals. I was a Jimmy Swaggart donor and remained so until his second fall after which he started bashing Word of Faith folks. I believe in redemption. I root for it. Republican, Democrat, or Tiger. It makes us believe there is hope for humanity. If I accepted that preacher Jimmy could get redemption, why would I not accept it for a politician?
This is not about redemption. It is about real criminal activity, of which prostitution (and patronizing them) still is. Period. And you are here giving him a pass for this criminal activity.
I also believe in 2nd chances and forgiveness but I believe actions are more important than words. In both Vitter’s and Ensign’s cases I have seen no evidence of actions that would indicate that they have earned back any trust of the people. All I’ve seen is them saying they are sorry. In Ensign’s case more evidence has come out that he’s lying and still hasn’t told the whole truth.
No, it isn’t Cass. It’s about politics. David Vitter would not be prosecuted, John’s rarely are and if he were it would have been a small fine less than the cost of the lay. We don’t really have a problem with high class call girl operations as a society, we have a problem with people annoying us on our streets. Legalize and regulate it. You can’t stop it as long as you have lonely people on one side and broken and hurting people willing to sell themselves on the other side. You may as well stop wasting resources get some tax money and put it into public mental health policy. We need to reach people and cut the problem off at its source not pretend we are doing something.
And saying sorry after you’re caught, while nice, is hardly a “family values” standard – or, maybe it is. Seriously, how dare someone preach morality, tell everyone else how they should behave, and then not walk the talk? Forgive me for not caring about their “humble” path to redemption. In Family Values Land redemption is cheap.
And if your concern with Spitzer is hypocrisy then it should apply to Vitter and Ensign as well. Consistency please.
People who visit prostitutes are rarely prosecuted so it’s o.k. if Vitter does it then, despite the fact that it is illegal?
At least Democrats are intellectually consistent – wrongdoers need to resign. Maybe they can make a comeback later and maybe they can’t but if they’ve lost the trust of the people they need to go.
Spitzer’s hypocrisy is that he made and prosecuted laws that he was evading. Vitter was just a guy who made a bad choice.
Where is your outrage over the prostitute? That shows its politics. Both are equally guilty. I personally am outraged over neither.
I am pleased to have been involved with helping 3 prostitutes find redemption. My church has had some success with that. They don’t need to be jailed. They need to be freed from the jail within themselves. That is another subject, but that is the true Christian approach to this issue.
Legalizing prostitution is OK with David (“get some tax money “), but not gay marriage. The sheer idiocy of this person is mind-boggling.
That is a joke. Clinton didn’t resign. Frank didn’t resign. The hip hop mayor didn’t resign. What’s his name the Governor of Maryland before Erlich didn’t resign. I could name a host of Democrats U. I. I could go all the way back to Tom Jefferson. You guys have always been loose. Don’t pretend there is some moral high ground for Democrats. The real corruption is the destruction of constitutional governance by the ruling regime through socializing everything under the sun. I won’t be distracted by petty gossip and personal issues.
The fact is unless there is an underlying attack on a person’s ability to do the job such as a felony or jail time, I am not a big believer in resigning for a personal mistake. It is silly and feeds into this culture of personal destruction which is ruining our politics. Hamilton, Jefferson, and Franklin would have been destroyed in these times. That is why we have such poor leadership. We don’t know what to look for. We focus on the trivial and miss the big picture.
Hey, I don’t have a problem with gays doing their thing. I don’t want them criminalized either. I have a problem with revamping the culture to do it. Let them form their own institutions. Don’t destroy the family. It is very simple. My solution to prostitution is not to give it legal recognition and proclaimed to be equal to marriage. It is to stop putting resources into pretending that we can stop it. It is to put resources into making it less an option by addressing the root of the issue.
You guys have always been loose.
Loose? Loose? Are you for real?
David’s world: Gay marriage would destroy families; legalized prostitution would not.
Why are people responding to someone who says things like:
“We believe in redemption. We believe that everyone has some sort of problem. The goal is to better ourselves and humanity. Family vaules is not about finding ways to condemn people, but finding ways to better people.”
What about issues of homosexuality and abortion, where family values are used constantly to condemn people? To say that the Republican party does not condemn people on the basis of their so-called family values is just a lie. Why are you all arguing with someone who completely misrepresents his party? Especially when he is clearly a bigot when it comes to homosexuality (find their own institutions, but not the family? what does that even mean? they can live together but not call themselves a family? David is obviously a completely disingenuous guy)
And none of the people you trotted out have prostitution issues. Frank comes closet since he had a boyfriend who did sell himself. But it is interesting that you can’t tell the difference between real criminal activity and run of the mill moral failings.
And Vitter was a lawmaker — one with jurisdiction over DC where he visited his prostitutes — who committed the crime of soliciting prostitution. And here you are still trying to justify this criminal in your ranks.
As for that prostitute? The DC Madam killed herself. Because she bore the brunt of the opprobrium that Vitter (and the others who paid her for their kinks) should have had to share in. And here is Vitter — with his army of collusionists who will torture all facts to try to make sure their guy doesn’t look bad.
Vitter also voted to deny rape victims their day in court if they work for KBR or Halliburton.
“Frank comes closet…”
Classic typo. Nice. 😉
LOL! One day I’ll get the hang of doing this and talking on the phone at the same time.